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Yeah, just not working for me but you get the picture.
So you read more into it than was meant by it, based on your own emotional response. Thank you, apology accepted.
I honestly don't care if people declaw their cats. I, personally, think it's silly and unnecessary...if your furniture is so valuable that you can't bear the thought of kitties clawing it, perhaps a different pet is in order. But that's just me. Declaw them all. Bob their tails, crop their ears....give them tattoos and colored contacts if that's your thing, I don't care.
But don't waste your breath trying to convince me it isn't mutiliation. Of course it's mutiliation. You can justify it, and I don't care if you do, I trust you take care of them and the trauma is fairly minimal (provided they don't get infections). I just don't like it when people try to pull the wool over my eyes.
You are of course welcome to your opinion and it is respected. I however reserve the same right. And, all this pro and con stuff was discussed with the chopper upper aka vet in question. so thanks but no thanks.
Removing a cats claws is like removing your fingers. Cat's need their claws. They use them every day, not just to scratch your furniture. It helps them climb, jump, and play. Without their claws there're almost defenseless and they know it. And don't let anyone tell you removing their claws is painless. Imagine having all your fingernails cut out. A lot of vets will not do the operation. I have not seen any animal welfare groups recommend it.that is the question.
Back in February, I got a new cat to replace my companion of 15 years.
I didn't declaw the old cat because he was sufficiently mellow to where that wasn't an issue.
this new cat, while affectionate, seems to like to use it's claws whenever possible- on the furniture, on me, etc.
I'm reluctant to declaw, but obviously, the damage the animal is doing is going to set me back quite a bit, and there is always the liability if she claws a guest.
We have had at least a dozen cats over many years. The best cats were the ones with claws. I think they were more confident and just more fun to own. If you can stand an occasional scratch, let your cat keep its claw the way nature intended.
Claws are not anything other than nails. To make this out like cats are losing all ability to live is so foolish.
Please. And I'm not a fan of the procedure. But I do consider it no different than being part and parcel of spaying and neutering.
And those that would decry others in the cat world who have adopted a cat that has been declawed or those that would declaw to give a cat a home are the type of rigid individuals who would see animals die than go into a home with children.
I've seen this crap in my life. The Toronto Humane Society people had the most bizarre rules for adoption. On the bright side all the bastards are getting prosecuted now for a variety of things, but these people while taking in millions of dollars in donations would rather execute a cat or a dog if you did not meet these insane rigid standards they put in place.
All for the "animal's welfare".
So you read more into it than was meant by it, based on your own emotional response. Thank you, apology accepted.
I honestly don't care if people declaw their cats. I, personally, think it's silly and unnecessary...if your furniture is so valuable that you can't bear the thought of kitties clawing it, perhaps a different pet is in order. But that's just me. Declaw them all. Bob their tails, crop their ears....give them tattoos and colored contacts if that's your thing, I don't care.
But don't waste your breath trying to convince me it isn't mutiliation. Of course it's mutiliation. You can justify it, and I don't care if you do, I trust you take care of them and the trauma is fairly minimal (provided they don't get infections). I just don't like it when people try to pull the wool over my eyes.
You are of course welcome to your opinion and it is respected. I however reserve the same right. And, all this pro and con stuff was discussed with the chopper upper aka vet in question. so thanks but no thanks.
Oh, great, all the pros and cons were discussed with the person who makes money doing the procedure. Good thinking.
My cats not only have their claws, but they have a setup that enables them to experience the outdoors in a safe way. They get to climb up the trunks of trees (to a point), smell the flowers, chase bugs, chew on grass and experience what it feels like to walk directly on the ground and feel the wind in their faces. Then they get to come in and sleep in their warm, safe beds and have plenty to eat and catnip and toys to play with.
I'd rather be my cat than your cat. They have it all...the longevity of indoor cats, the fun of getting to go outdoors, AND their claws.
Do you really think that writing out a list of cat names gives you some kind of moral get-out-of-being-a-fucking-monster-free card?
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Am I evil now?
So you read more into it than was meant by it, based on your own emotional response. Thank you, apology accepted.
I honestly don't care if people declaw their cats. I, personally, think it's silly and unnecessary...if your furniture is so valuable that you can't bear the thought of kitties clawing it, perhaps a different pet is in order. But that's just me. Declaw them all. Bob their tails, crop their ears....give them tattoos and colored contacts if that's your thing, I don't care.
But don't waste your breath trying to convince me it isn't mutiliation. Of course it's mutiliation. You can justify it, and I don't care if you do, I trust you take care of them and the trauma is fairly minimal (provided they don't get infections). I just don't like it when people try to pull the wool over my eyes.
You are of course welcome to your opinion and it is respected. I however reserve the same right. And, all this pro and con stuff was discussed with the chopper upper aka vet in question. so thanks but no thanks.
Oh, great, all the pros and cons were discussed with the person who makes money doing the procedure. Good thinking.
My cats not only have their claws, but they have a setup that enables them to experience the outdoors in a safe way. They get to climb up the trunks of trees (to a point), smell the flowers, chase bugs, chew on grass and experience what it feels like to walk directly on the ground and feel the wind in their faces. Then they get to come in and sleep in their warm, safe beds and have plenty to eat and catnip and toys to play with.
I'd rather be my cat than your cat. They have it all...the longevity of indoor cats, the fun of getting to go outdoors, AND their claws.
So you read more into it than was meant by it, based on your own emotional response. Thank you, apology accepted.
I honestly don't care if people declaw their cats. I, personally, think it's silly and unnecessary...if your furniture is so valuable that you can't bear the thought of kitties clawing it, perhaps a different pet is in order. But that's just me. Declaw them all. Bob their tails, crop their ears....give them tattoos and colored contacts if that's your thing, I don't care.
But don't waste your breath trying to convince me it isn't mutiliation. Of course it's mutiliation. You can justify it, and I don't care if you do, I trust you take care of them and the trauma is fairly minimal (provided they don't get infections). I just don't like it when people try to pull the wool over my eyes.
You are of course welcome to your opinion and it is respected. I however reserve the same right. And, all this pro and con stuff was discussed with the chopper upper aka vet in question. so thanks but no thanks.
Oh, great, all the pros and cons were discussed with the person who makes money doing the procedure. Good thinking.
My cats not only have their claws, but they have a setup that enables them to experience the outdoors in a safe way. They get to climb up the trunks of trees (to a point), smell the flowers, chase bugs, chew on grass and experience what it feels like to walk directly on the ground and feel the wind in their faces. Then they get to come in and sleep in their warm, safe beds and have plenty to eat and catnip and toys to play with.
I'd rather be my cat than your cat. They have it all...the longevity of indoor cats, the fun of getting to go outdoors, AND their claws.
Do you really think that writing out a list of cat names gives you some kind of moral get-out-of-being-a-fucking-monster-free card?
You see I never judged them, they never judged me. .
Do you really think that writing out a list of cat names gives you some kind of moral get-out-of-being-a-fucking-monster-free card?
We have already figured out who the monster is here.
I think the set up sounds incredibly cool.
I was looking at fencing a few weeks back and found this really interesting thing (just for interest sake, it appears you have your situation figured out)....it was a rolling bar that goes along the top of the fence that prevents animalsfrom being ableto pull themselves over. It even keeps birds from hanging out on the top of the fence...let me find it. I just thought it was neat. I think a cat would probably be able to figure it out, but who knows....
Dog Safety Fence - YouTube
I thought that was the coolest thing. It primarily geared to canines, I know, but still...
Without reading this thread, my only addition is that you must keep that animal indoors from now on if you declaw (which I wouldn't do - that's my vote). If it ever gets out of the house, it is completely defenseless.