Threats From Obama Administration Exhibit Thuggery

[Bfgrn]

There is nothing wrong with making money, but there is something wrong with making obscene amounts of money that comes at the expense of people who HAVE health insurance and still can't get the care they need, just because it could hurt the bottom line of insurance companies. Anyone who defends insurance companies should be ashamed of themselves for defending such behavior in this country.

Good post!

It goes farther and deeper than morality. What these insurance cartels are doing is a violation the whole concept of a free market. In a true free market, you can't get rich by making other people poor. Unless everyone benefits, it is not a true free market, it is a captured market, a perversion of that critical tenet.

What is true irony...it is socialism, for corporations.

Wrong. There is no system in which EVERYONE BENEFITS. Some people, by their own choices, don't want to benefit. Some people opt out of participating. A standard that EVERYONE BENEFITS is unobtainable utopianism which is unachievable in any reality.

Utopian??? We DON'T have a free market in America. If you believe we do, then YOU are some kind of dreamer! Do you know what 'regulatory capture' is? Do you know what 'cost externalization' is? Didn't think so. You have NO understanding of what a free market is or how it works.

You need to understand that health insurance corporations are NOT in the health CARE business, they are in the PROFIT business. The 'model' that gains them profit, punishes or even literally kills the customer.

Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe.
Edmund Burke

 

[RDD_1210]

Remember when they said this was Universal Health Care?

Well they dropped that this year and changed it to "Affordable Health Care", which means not everyone will be covered.

So your question isn't valid because they aren't even saying everyone is getting coverage.

I'm a vet....so I already have shitty government health care that doesn't pay for shit. Why would I want to switch to anything these lying pug-knockers started. Guaranteed it's never gonna work even half as well as they claim.

Ahhh, yet ANOTHER hypocrite who is getting government sponsored healthcare yet acts like anyone else who gets it is a loser and a mooch. If it sucks so bad, why don't you go buy your own private insurance?

Ok now you are degenerating into an asshole. Nobody is saying anyone else who needs or gets it is a loser or a mooch. You are just losing the argument and getting all pissy about it.

I do buy insurance. For my kids. I simply can not afford at this time to cover me and my wife.

SO GO FUCK YOURSELF ASSHOLE.

Ahhh, so I'm the one getting pissy yet you feel the need to shout and call names. I'm sorry that you are in a crappy situation that makes it so you can't afford health care.

Thankfully, there are people out there who understand what you're going through and want to help fix the situation. Unfortunately, you don't seem to be one of those people.

 

[Charles_Main]

Ahhh, yet ANOTHER hypocrite who is getting government sponsored healthcare yet acts like anyone else who gets it is a loser and a mooch. If it sucks so bad, why don't you go buy your own private insurance?

Ok now you are degenerating into an asshole. Nobody is saying anyone else who needs or gets it is a loser or a mooch. You are just losing the argument and getting all pissy about it.

I do buy insurance. For my kids. I simply can not afford at this time to cover me and my wife.

SO GO FUCK YOURSELF ASSHOLE.

Ahhh, so I'm the one getting pissy yet you feel the need to shout and call names. I'm sorry that you are in a crappy situation that makes it so you can't afford health care.

Thankfully, there are people out there who understand what you're going through and want to help fix the situation. Unfortunately, you don't seem to be one of those people.

Im calling you names because you keep making false claims about me and others who do not support THIS PARTICULAR BILL. You just did again claiming I am not one of those people who wants to do something about it.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Being opposed to this way of dealing with it, does not mean you are opposed to addressing the problem at all. As I have said and you clearly did not read. There are many ways we can address this issue. I simply do not think this Bill is the way, I tend to think that any Government controlled plan will not be the best way. I am open to Debate about it. Unfortunately the Democrats did not want a debate when they passed this bill. They shoved it down our throats despite the fact it fails to lower cost, fails to cover everyone, and will add to our deficits.

So yeah I get mad and call names. When someone keeps misrepresenting what I say, and making claims about what is in my heart that are untrue and unfounded. It pissed me off.

Oh and you started the name calling when you called me a hippocrate for not having insurance and daring to look beyond that and judge this bill on its merits on not just my own situation.

It is exactly this kind of behavior that gave us this bill. The whole time they were trying to pass it. The message was We must pass this bill or else, and ANYONE who questions that is a heartless scum bag. That was their message and it appears to be yours.

it just so happens I am one of those people this bill will not help. Because I make just enough money to not be poor enough to get the help I need, but not enough to pay for a Family plan myself and keep the heat on.

 

[RDD_1210]

Ok now you are degenerating into an asshole. Nobody is saying anyone else who needs or gets it is a loser or a mooch. You are just losing the argument and getting all pissy about it.

I do buy insurance. For my kids. I simply can not afford at this time to cover me and my wife.

SO GO FUCK YOURSELF ASSHOLE.

Ahhh, so I'm the one getting pissy yet you feel the need to shout and call names. I'm sorry that you are in a crappy situation that makes it so you can't afford health care.

Thankfully, there are people out there who understand what you're going through and want to help fix the situation. Unfortunately, you don't seem to be one of those people.

Im calling you names because you keep making false claims about me and others who do not support THIS PARTICULAR BILL. You just did again claiming I am not one of those people who wants to do something about it.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Being opposed to this way of dealing with it, does not mean you are opposed to addressing the problem at all. As I have said and you clearly did not read. There are many ways we can address this issue. I simply do not think this Bill is the way, I tend to think that any Government controlled plan will not be the best way. I am open to Debate about it. Unfortunately the Democrats did not want a debate when they passed his bill. They shoved it down our throats despite the fact it fails to lower cost, fails to cover anyone, and will add to our deficits.

So yeah I get mad and call names. When someone keeps misrepresenting what I say, and making claims about what is in my heart that are untrue and unfounded. It pissed me off.

Oh and you started the name calling when you called me a hippocrate for not having insurance and daring to look beyond that and judge this bill on its merits on not just my own situation.

I'm well aware that you don't support this particular bill which doesn't mean there aren't good portions to this bill, which is what I've stated all along. This bill is FAR from perfect but at least I can recognize the good that is there and understand that alot of work still needs to be done. I didn't see you say any such thing.

If we're splitting hairs, you called me an asshole in post #35, before I even knew you were in fact a hypocrite. Go check for yourself.

 

[WillowTree]

I never once said the cost control portion of this bill was good. So unless you want to discuss the BENEFITS of the bill that I brought up I am done trying to have a discussion with you.

Well you should be concerned about the costs, as the long term picture is becoming clear. We will all be paying more and getting much less care. I don't see where arguing about 'covering all' implies improvement, if the bottom line is that masses are to receive inadequate care.

Of course I am concerned about the costs. But to act like costs weren't spiraling out of control before "obamacare" is just naive. The problem of cost control still needs to be addressed, but at least in the meantime people should at least be able to get coverage that actually covers them when they need it.

That's what people are trying to tell you stupid. There won't be any coverage for anybody when they "need it" what there will be is a chance to pull a number and wait for care and hope you don't die before you get it. Everyone tried to tell you stupid people this before you RAMMMED this crap down our throats. You are just too dense to understand what "rationing" means. God help you.

 

[RDD_1210]

Well you should be concerned about the costs, as the long term picture is becoming clear. We will all be paying more and getting much less care. I don't see where arguing about 'covering all' implies improvement, if the bottom line is that masses are to receive inadequate care.

Of course I am concerned about the costs. But to act like costs weren't spiraling out of control before "obamacare" is just naive. The problem of cost control still needs to be addressed, but at least in the meantime people should at least be able to get coverage that actually covers them when they need it.

That's what people are trying to tell you stupid. There won't be any coverage for anybody when they "need it" what there will be is a chance to pull a number and wait for care and hope you don't die before you get it. Everyone tried to tell you stupid people this before you RAMMMED this crap down our throats. You are just too dense to understand what "rationing" means. God help you.

 

[Charles_Main]

Ahhh, so I'm the one getting pissy yet you feel the need to shout and call names. I'm sorry that you are in a crappy situation that makes it so you can't afford health care.

Thankfully, there are people out there who understand what you're going through and want to help fix the situation. Unfortunately, you don't seem to be one of those people.

Im calling you names because you keep making false claims about me and others who do not support THIS PARTICULAR BILL. You just did again claiming I am not one of those people who wants to do something about it.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Being opposed to this way of dealing with it, does not mean you are opposed to addressing the problem at all. As I have said and you clearly did not read. There are many ways we can address this issue. I simply do not think this Bill is the way, I tend to think that any Government controlled plan will not be the best way. I am open to Debate about it. Unfortunately the Democrats did not want a debate when they passed his bill. They shoved it down our throats despite the fact it fails to lower cost, fails to cover anyone, and will add to our deficits.

So yeah I get mad and call names. When someone keeps misrepresenting what I say, and making claims about what is in my heart that are untrue and unfounded. It pissed me off.

Oh and you started the name calling when you called me a hippocrate for not having insurance and daring to look beyond that and judge this bill on its merits on not just my own situation.

I'm well aware that you don't support this particular bill which doesn't mean there aren't good portions to this bill, which is what I've stated all along. This bill is FAR from perfect but at least I can recognize the good that is there and understand that alot of work still needs to be done. I didn't see you say any such thing.

If we're splitting hairs, you called me an asshole in post #35, before I even knew you were in fact a hypocrite. Go check for yourself.

Sure there are good ideas in this bill, but over all it is a horrid failure. The Mandate in particular not only does not address the fact that many people can not afford it, it is a clear violation of the constitution IMO and the opinions of 30 plus states who are now suing over it.

I am not sure what you are trying to say. Just because there are some good parts to the bill. If the bill over all fails to lower costs, cover everyone, and creates unsustainable debt, then it is a failure. We need to scrap it. Take the good ideas in it, and build something that can work, and be sustained over the long haul. The only way that can be done is with Both Parties working together. Now as long as the Far left libs on control of congress have their way. That will never happen. They will just ram what they want through and ignore all opposition input Just like they did with this bill.

I am in no way saying Republican have the answers or would do anything about it on their own. What I am saying is we need all players at the table, and all ideas considered. Not a bill wrote by one side and shoved down our throats despite the fact it fails to deliver on their promises.

You said your problem is with the insurance companies. Well how then do you feel about the fact that they were on board with this bill. Many on the left think this bill was a hand out to them. How can you support this bill at all?

We need to stop this Partisan BS, not everyone against this bill is against helping people who need it. the Far left congressional Democrats answer is not the only way. It is that simple.

 

[WillowTree]

of course i am concerned about the costs. But to act like costs weren't spiraling out of control before "obamacare" is just naive. The problem of cost control still needs to be addressed, but at least in the meantime people should at least be able to get coverage that actually covers them when they need it.

that's what people are trying to tell you stupid. There won't be any coverage for anybody when they "need it" what there will be is a chance to pull a number and wait for care and hope you don't die before you get it. Everyone tried to tell you stupid people this before you rammmed this crap down our throats. You are just too dense to understand what "rationing" means. God help you.

november remember?

 

[StoneageHippy]

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I compel all right wing nuts to read this book.

 

[RDD_1210]

Im calling you names because you keep making false claims about me and others who do not support THIS PARTICULAR BILL. You just did again claiming I am not one of those people who wants to do something about it.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Being opposed to this way of dealing with it, does not mean you are opposed to addressing the problem at all. As I have said and you clearly did not read. There are many ways we can address this issue. I simply do not think this Bill is the way, I tend to think that any Government controlled plan will not be the best way. I am open to Debate about it. Unfortunately the Democrats did not want a debate when they passed his bill. They shoved it down our throats despite the fact it fails to lower cost, fails to cover anyone, and will add to our deficits.

So yeah I get mad and call names. When someone keeps misrepresenting what I say, and making claims about what is in my heart that are untrue and unfounded. It pissed me off.

Oh and you started the name calling when you called me a hippocrate for not having insurance and daring to look beyond that and judge this bill on its merits on not just my own situation.

I'm well aware that you don't support this particular bill which doesn't mean there aren't good portions to this bill, which is what I've stated all along. This bill is FAR from perfect but at least I can recognize the good that is there and understand that alot of work still needs to be done. I didn't see you say any such thing.

If we're splitting hairs, you called me an asshole in post #35, before I even knew you were in fact a hypocrite. Go check for yourself.

Sure there are good ideas in this bill, but over all it is a horrid failure. The Mandate in particular not only does not address the fact that many people can not afford it, it is a clear violation of the constitution IMO and the opinions of 30 plus states who are now suing over it.

Finally, we're getting somewhere. Yes, we can agree then that there are good things in this bill. And yes we can agree that Mandate is not a cost control tool in and of itself.

 

[RDD_1210]

that's what people are trying to tell you stupid. There won't be any coverage for anybody when they "need it" what there will be is a chance to pull a number and wait for care and hope you don't die before you get it. Everyone tried to tell you stupid people this before you rammmed this crap down our throats. You are just too dense to understand what "rationing" means. God help you.

november remember?

banana indiana?

 

[Annie]

I'm well aware that you don't support this particular bill which doesn't mean there aren't good portions to this bill, which is what I've stated all along. This bill is FAR from perfect but at least I can recognize the good that is there and understand that alot of work still needs to be done. I didn't see you say any such thing.

If we're splitting hairs, you called me an asshole in post #35, before I even knew you were in fact a hypocrite. Go check for yourself.

Sure there are good ideas in this bill, but over all it is a horrid failure. The Mandate in particular not only does not address the fact that many people can not afford it, it is a clear violation of the constitution IMO and the opinions of 30 plus states who are now suing over it.

Finally, we're getting somewhere. Yes, we can agree then that there are good things in this bill. And yes we can agree that Mandate is not a cost control tool in and of itself.

The bad things far outweigh the good. Reform was needed, but this monstrosity is nothing more than all that is bad about insurance, writ large.

 

[Meister]

Amazon.com: The Backlash: Right-Wing Radicals, High-Def Hucksters, and Paranoid Politics in the Age of Obama (9780061991714): Will Bunch: Books

I compel all right wing nuts to read this book.

Most right wing nuts don't even know they're right wing nuts. Just like most left wing nuts don't know that they're left wing nuts? Are you listening....hmmmm?

 

[RDD_1210]

Sure there are good ideas in this bill, but over all it is a horrid failure. The Mandate in particular not only does not address the fact that many people can not afford it, it is a clear violation of the constitution IMO and the opinions of 30 plus states who are now suing over it.

Finally, we're getting somewhere. Yes, we can agree then that there are good things in this bill. And yes we can agree that Mandate is not a cost control tool in and of itself.

The bad things far outweigh the good. Reform was needed, but this monstrosity is nothing more than all that is bad about insurance, writ large.

I'll agree that this bill does very little to take away some of the tremendous power that insurance companies have over us and our health care. I was really hoping for more from this bill in that respect.

 

[Meister]

Sure there are good ideas in this bill, but over all it is a horrid failure. The Mandate in particular not only does not address the fact that many people can not afford it, it is a clear violation of the constitution IMO and the opinions of 30 plus states who are now suing over it.

Finally, we're getting somewhere. Yes, we can agree then that there are good things in this bill. And yes we can agree that Mandate is not a cost control tool in and of itself.

The bad things far outweigh the good. Reform was needed, but this monstrosity is nothing more than all that is bad about insurance, writ large.

It is the foundation to take over the whole industry in time. It has 2600 pages of convoluted wording so that no one that voted on it even knew what was in it. Remember Pelosi saying we had to pass it to see what's in it? Well, it's starting to come to the light and everyone is starting to wake up to the wording. Even the democrats are running from this boondoggle in this election cycle. If it was so damn good, they would be embracing it.

 

[RDD_1210]

Finally, we're getting somewhere. Yes, we can agree then that there are good things in this bill. And yes we can agree that Mandate is not a cost control tool in and of itself.

The bad things far outweigh the good. Reform was needed, but this monstrosity is nothing more than all that is bad about insurance, writ large.

It is the foundation to take over the whole industry in time.

I wish!

 

[Charles_Main]

Finally, we're getting somewhere. Yes, we can agree then that there are good things in this bill. And yes we can agree that Mandate is not a cost control tool in and of itself.

The bad things far outweigh the good. Reform was needed, but this monstrosity is nothing more than all that is bad about insurance, writ large.

I'll agree that this bill does very little to take away some of the tremendous power that insurance companies have over us and our health care. I was really hoping for more from this bill in that respect.

I may have missed it but did you ever comment on the issue of this thread. That no matter how you feel about this bill, or insurance companies. What I want to know is how you feel about our government having the power to tell them to SHUT UP or they will be kept out of the exchanges in 2014.

That is a clear attempt to shut up the debate about this bill. It is that kind of Abuse of a power this bill has given them over the private sector that many of us did not want to see in the first place.

 

[Meister]

The bad things far outweigh the good. Reform was needed, but this monstrosity is nothing more than all that is bad about insurance, writ large.

It is the foundation to take over the whole industry in time.

I wish!

I know you do.....your a big government person.

 

[RDD_1210]

The bad things far outweigh the good. Reform was needed, but this monstrosity is nothing more than all that is bad about insurance, writ large.

I'll agree that this bill does very little to take away some of the tremendous power that insurance companies have over us and our health care. I was really hoping for more from this bill in that respect.

I may have missed it but did you ever comment on the issue of this thread. That no matter how you feel about this bill, or insurance companies. What I want to know is how you feel about our government have a the power to tell them to SHUT UP or they will be kept out of the exchanges in 2014.

That is a clear attempt to shut up the debate about this bill. It is that kind of Abuse of a power this bill has given them over the private sector that many of us did not want to see in the first place.

Obviously I think free speech should win out. However, I do understand what a struggle it has been for the administration to get people to understand this bill and how it will work. When insurance companies blatantly lie about why peoples premiums are increasing and blame it entirely on "obamcare", I can understand the governments frustration and desire to stop the spreading of misinformation.

 

[MikeK]

Mud brain spews:
Doctors are in for some rough times folks and so are the insurance companies.

ROUGH times? What is your definition of ROUGH? Do you mean rough, like being denied coverage for treatment for a life threatening illness? Do you mean rough, like having to face bankruptcy and losing your house at the same time you are facing that life threatening illness? Do you mean rough, like DYING and leaving your family without the means to bury you?

Ins. Co. & CEO With 2007 Total CEO Compensation

* Aetna Ronald A. Williams: $23,045,834
* Cigna H. Edward Hanway: $25,839,777
* Coventry Dale B. Wolf : $14,869,823
* Health Net Jay M. Gellert: $3,686,230
* Humana Michael McCallister: $10,312,557
* U.Health Grp Stephen J. Hemsley: $13,164,529
* WellPoint Angela Braly (2007): $9,094,271
L. Glasscock (2006): $23,886,169

Typical Marxist argument.

Let's post the incomes of Democrats in Congress and their supporters.

Georges Soros made billions.....Obama himself made over $3 million last year. John Kerry....millions. Nancy Pelosi....millions more.....Harry Reid...the same....the list goes on and on.

Seems only the right (no pun intended) people deserve to make money in this economy.

Everyone else is under attack.

The incomes listed are specific to health insurance executives, which is relevant to the topic, so your nonsensical complaint is invalid. If you have income and finance issues with those whose names you've mentioned by all means post your specifics.