This quote from a Reagan appointed judge perfectly encapsulates trump's first two 1/2 weeks.

[jc456]

Why didn’t it say that then?

It does, it says, subject to the jurisdiction thereof and identified freed slaves. Maybe you should read it before you talk about it.

 

[Lesh]

It does, it says, subject to the jurisdiction thereof and identified freed slaves. Maybe you should read it before you talk about it.

Really?

U.S. Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

constitution.congress.gov

Looks like you’re lying again.

That’s not in it

 

[jc456]

Really?

U.S. Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

constitution.congress.gov

Looks like you’re lying again.

That’s not in it

from your link

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof

 

[Lesh]

from your link

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof

Exactly. Nothing about slaves.

All persons born…


Do you realize that you are arguing against yourself

 

[jc456]

Exactly. Nothing about slaves.

All persons born…


Do you realize that you are arguing against yourself

14th Amendment: Simplified Summary, Text & Impact | HISTORY

The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1868, granted citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the United States—including former slaves—and guaranteed all citizens “equal protection of the laws.”

www.history.com

The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1868, granted citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the United States—including formerly enslaved people—and guaranteed all citizens “equal protection of the laws.”

 

[Lesh]

14th Amendment: Simplified Summary, Text & Impact | HISTORY

The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1868, granted citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the United States—including former slaves—and guaranteed all citizens “equal protection of the laws.”

www.history.com

The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, ratified in 1868, granted citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the United States—including formerly enslaved people—and guaranteed all citizens “equal protection of the laws.”

Ummmm… those words were not in the Amendment jackass

It does specifically claim all persons born here are citizens however… who get equal protection.


There’s a phrase for what you’re doing..

Self own

Good job

 

[jc456]

Ummmm… those words were not in the Amendment jackass

It does specifically claim all persons born here are citizens however… who get equal protection.


There’s a phrase for what you’re doing..

Self own

Good job

the 14th amendment was from 1868. You claimed the original if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Lesh]

the 14th amendment was from 1868. You claimed the original if I'm not mistaken.

What are you talking about?

Just tuck tail and climb back under the porch

 

[Delldude]

I'm an informed citizen. You should try it.

That's an outright lie.

 

[The Duke]

We care bigly about common sense and Trump has NONE.

If Trump had any sense at all, he would never have gone bankrupt even once much less 7 times.

Trump had any common sense at all, 1.2 million people would not have died from Covid.

If Trump had any common sense at all, the US economy would not have crashed in 2020. Other nations got through the pandemic with a third or less of the death Trump, inflicted on the USA, and no other economy in the world was thoroughly crushed as yours.

'Tis you that has no common sense. You and most of the left shills here couldn't work the fries at McDonald's.

 

[berg80]

I'm all for a robust national discussion about birthright citizenship followed by a constitutional amendment if Repubs can pass one. But changing the Constitution by executive proclamation isn't allowed.

 

[Delldude]

I'm all for a robust national discussion about birthright citizenship followed by a constitutional amendment if Repubs can pass one. But changing the Constitution by executive proclamation isn't allowed.

Interpretation is the way to go.

 

[Stann]

Judge slams Trump while extending block on birthright citizenship order​

A federal judge in Seattle has accused President Donald Trump of brazenly defying the law by seeking to end birthright citizenship in the United States.

U.S. District Judge John Coughenour said during a hearing Thursday that Trump’s executive order is flagrantly unconstitutional, and he extended a temporary hold on the policy.

The executive order is now subject to two nationwide injunctions issued by separate judges on consecutive days. The injunctions keep the policy on ice while legal challenges proceed.

Coughenour, an appointee of President Ronald Reagan, let loose on Trump for his dismissive approach toward legal constraints.

“It has become ever more apparent that to our president, the rule of law is but an impediment to his policy goals. The rule of law is, according to him, something to navigate around or simply ignore, whether that be for political or personal gain,” the judge said. “Nevertheless, in this courtroom and under my watch, the rule of law is a bright beacon which I intend to follow.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/06/judge-slams-trump-birthright-citizenship-00202928

It's good to see this coming from a conservative judge. It tells that while congressional Repubs are too afraid to speak out about the initiation of autocratic rule there are some rank and file members of the party who are not.

I was heartened by his words since they indicate Dem's are not the only ones who see what is happening. If the shocking lawlessness and abuses of power continue I think we'll be hearing from more Repubs like Judge Coughenour.

Any change that great would have to be done by the vote of the people , if even then. Removing what could be considered one of the underlying tenets of our democratic republic is a worrisome problem.

 

[Delldude]

Any change that great would have to be done by the vote of the people , if even then. Removing what could be considered one of the underlying tenets of our democratic republic is a worrisome problem.

The language would be interpreted and a determination of whether any past opinions were wrong.

That's how it works