Zone1 They Were Eyewitnesses to the Death and Resurrection

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We can know the past but not the future. Arrow of time and all.

We can know with certainty our sun will run out of fuel and engulf the earth just as you know that you will die a physical death. What we don't know is when.

 

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Matthew is you independent corroborating source?

Is it your belief that charges of sorcery by Jewish religious leaders were unheard of in those times?

 

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Because of Isaiah's prophecies, many Israelites likely associated the time of the Messiah's coming with the healing of the blind, the deaf, the lame, and the mute (Isaiah 35:5).

Check off another prophesy fulfilled.

So conspiracy?

Personally I think your responses reek of confirmation bias where any new information that you never knew before gets dismissed as a matter of course.

 

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There was no Roman law against sorcery or blasphemy so Pilot would not have convicted him for those.

I thought you said you - and everyone - knew Jesus was crucified, right? What's your explanation for why? Because according to the written manuscripts it was for sorcery and blaspheme. He performed miracles and set himself as equal to God. Why would Pilot care about that?

 

[irosie91]

Is it your belief that charges of sorcery by Jewish religious leaders were unheard of in those times?

Is it your belief that "pharisees" were religious leaders that brought a charge of sorcery against another jew to either CAIAPHAS or PILATE?. You evince a
remarkable level of ignorance. ----however such an idea might have made a level of sense to a person on the NICEAN COUNCIL. Is it your belief that
Pharisees danced around singing "crucify him" in those times or that would seek a "death" penalty for a charge of sorcery?

 

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Is it your belief that "pharisees" were religious leaders that brought a charge of sorcery against another jew to either CAIAPHAS or PILATE?. You evince a
remarkable level of ignorance. ----however such an idea might have made a level of sense to a person on the NICEAN COUNCIL. Is it your belief that
Pharisees danced around singing "crucify him" in those times or that would seek a "death" penalty for a charge of sorcery?

I'm in good company with the other 1 billion Christians.

 

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Pharisees danced around singing "crucify him" in those times or that would seek a "death" penalty for a charge of sorcery?

Maybe take it up with the Babylonian Talmud because it describes giving a death penalty for sorcery. So not unheard of in those times, right?

 

[Cougarbear]

not quite on the same level

On the same level of what?

 

[Manonthestreet]

On the same level of what?

Mr Mormon isn't a god and did no miracles. Christ performed multiple miracles that thousands witnessed.

 

[Cougarbear]

The Mormon religion was created by Smith because he got caught cheating on his wife.

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The Father and Son appeared to Joseph Smith when he was 14 years old. He wasn't married yet. And, the instance you mentioned didn't occur until after the Church had been restored in 1830. You are really duped by the naysayers.

 

[The Duke]

And for this they were murdered. But they never stopped proclaiming the resurrection

They'll be OK. That's true convictions, baby.

 

[The Duke]

Paul died for the cause but he never witnessed the resurrection.

He came to God..er..God came to him in a different way.
He died like the rest though, murdered for his convictions.

 

[irosie91]

Is it your belief that charges of sorcery by Jewish religious leaders were unheard of in those times?

Is it your belief that "pharisees" were religious leaders that brought a charge of sorcery against another jew to either CAIAPHAS or PILATE?. You evince a
remarkable level of ignorance. ----however such an idea might have made a level of sense to a person on the NICEAN COUNCIL. Is it your belief that
Pharisees danced around singing "crucify him" in those times or that would seek a "death" penalty for a charge of sorcery?

I'm in good company with the other 1 billion Christians.

Good company? Adolf, Josef and Magda were all "catholics
in good standing" so Pope Pius determined INFALLIBLY

 

[alang1216]

So conspiracy?

Personally I think your responses reek of confirmation bias where any new information that you never knew before gets dismissed as a matter of course.

I think you accept as an article of faith that the NT is a reasonably accurate history. I consider it a work of theology first and foremost.

When I asked for a reference it was because I thought you had a direct connection between charges of sorcery and the crucifixion that I was unaware of. It turns out there isn't one, sorry for the confusion.

 

[alang1216]

I thought you said you - and everyone - knew Jesus was crucified, right? What's your explanation for why? Because according to the written manuscripts it was for sorcery and blaspheme. He performed miracles and set himself as equal to God. Why would Pilot care about that?

I don't think your source made that connection. The only charge that Rome would care about would be Jesus' claim to be the King of the Jews. Rome didn't care a whit about the internals of any religion but they could not abide a king they didn't control.

 

[hadit]

Paul died for the cause but he never witnessed the resurrection.

But he did encounter the risen and glorified Christ.

 

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Good company? Adolf, Josef and Magda were all "catholics
in good standing" so Pope Pius determined INFALLIBLY

Overall, I think so. I don't usually define the rule through exceptions.

 

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I think you accept as an article of faith that the NT is a reasonably accurate history. I consider it a work of theology first and foremost.

When I asked for a reference it was because I thought you had a direct connection between charges of sorcery and the crucifixion that I was unaware of. It turns out there isn't one, sorry for the confusion.

I don't come by my beliefs lightly. That you reject the evidence of the miracles performed by Jesus is your call. As for as I am concerned, all evidence points to they did occur. You reject a lot of evidence for no other reason than you don't like what it shows.

 

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I don't think your source made that connection. The only charge that Rome would care about would be Jesus' claim to be the King of the Jews. Rome didn't care a whit about the internals of any religion but they could not abide a king they didn't control.

When you put all the evidence together it paints an overwhelming picture that Jesus did perform many miracles and represent himself as equal to God and that early Christians worshiped Jesus as God. I know this makes some people uncomfortable but that's what the evidence shows.

You have absolutely no evidence for your beliefs. That's probably why you don't have an explanation for the evidence. You can't say why they worshiped Jesus as God and you can't explain why the 24,000 written manuscripts say Jesus performed many miracles and represented himself as equal to God.

 

[irosie91]

Overall, I think so. I don't usually define the rule through exceptions.

what do you mean by "exceptions"? ----I am INTRIGUED---keep in mind---I did not grow up like a "jew" ----I grew up in a very christian town and
lived amongst christians and did what christians did----even jelly bean school.
BUT ----I was also an avid reader. I read BOTH --christian and islamo-nazi
"literature" (for the record---I lived in an area and worked in situations that brought me in contact with muslims----way back circa 1960) ---"exceptions"?
"exceptions" to what----I detected lots of "group ethos"