Carl in Michigan
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And for this they were murdered. But they never stopped proclaiming the resurrection
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And for this they were murdered. But they never stopped proclaiming the resurrection
not quite on the same levelAccording to the Latter-day Saint faith, the 11 witnesses of the Book of Mormon, including the "Three Witnesses" (Oliver Cowdery, Martin Harris, and David Whitmer), all died of natural causes, with none of them publicly denying their testimonies about the golden plates even though several eventually left the Church due to disagreements with Joseph Smith and other leadership issues; however, some like Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris later sought to rejoin the Church before their deaths.
Key points about the witnesses' deaths:
- No public denial:
Despite leaving the Church, none of the witnesses ever publicly denied their testimony about seeing the golden plates.
- Causes of death:
All the witnesses died from natural causes, with details depending on the individual's life circumstances.
- Different paths after leaving:
While some like David Whitmer founded their own church, others like Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris eventually sought to be rebaptized into the LDS Church before their deaths.
Even on their death beds, they never denied what they saw and witnessed with the Gold Plates and the Book of Mormon. Many of them were persecuted after Joseph Smith was murdered. Yet, they never denied their testimonies.
And for this they were murdered. But they never stopped proclaiming the resurrection
That was before they witnessed the resurrection. It is what they did AFTER that witnesses Who Jesus wasThe three who observed Jesus "return to life" were three who bolted on Jesus when the authorities showed up to arrest Jesus.
How they have any credibility after bolting on Jesus is the real question...
Consider this. You are one of 12 disciples. You either know this guy is "son of God" or complete fraud. If he was really "son of God" why would you bolt on him???
Paul died for the cause but he never witnessed the resurrection.And for this they were murdered. But they never stopped proclaiming the resurrection
Yes. He's did.Paul died for the cause but he never witnessed the resurrection.
Are you a fan of an old Muslim work, Crucifixion or Cruci-fiction?None of these guys saw anything as the Essene Monk never even died on the cross .
Joseph of Arimathea bought his body and he recovered naturally .
Except it has been verified. Tacitus, Josephus and Pliny the Younger all wrote about Jesus and confirmed what had been written about him.their 4 centuries latter christian bible that likewise has no verification for anything written between its covers.
Confirmed what that had been written about him?Except it has been verified. Tacitus, Josephus and Pliny the Younger all wrote about Jesus and confirmed what had been written about him.
Not exactly.Confirmed what that had been written about him?
Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome....[5]
They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.[10]
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he ... wrought surprising feats.... He was the Christ. When Pilate ...condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared ... restored to life.... And the tribe of Christians ... has ... not disappeared.[17]
The Christians ... worship a man to this day – the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.... [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.[27]
One might almost say unbelievable:As interesting as this brief reference is, there is an earlier one, which is truly astonishing. Called the "Testimonium Flavianum," the relevant portion declares:
deedat----a disgusting nutAre you a fan of an old Muslim work, Crucifixion or Cruci-fiction?
Being a true follower gets you the same response. If the world doesn't hate you you're probably not doing what He called you to doSo it would appear being an apostle is a tough gig......~S~
Only if you ignore what Tacitus wrote and what Pliny wrote and what Lucian wrote, right?One might almost say unbelievable:
Many suspect this was inserted by a later Christian scribe. Why this devote Christian thought that their God needed their help is beyond me.