Zone1 They Were Eyewitnesses to the Death and Resurrection

And for this they were murdered. But they never stopped proclaiming the resurrection



According to the Latter-day Saint faith, the 11 witnesses of the Book of Mormon, including the "Three Witnesses" (Oliver Cowdery, Martin Harris, and David Whitmer), all died of natural causes, with none of them publicly denying their testimonies about the golden plates even though several eventually left the Church due to disagreements with Joseph Smith and other leadership issues; however, some like Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris later sought to rejoin the Church before their deaths.

Key points about the witnesses' deaths:
  • No public denial:
    Despite leaving the Church, none of the witnesses ever publicly denied their testimony about seeing the golden plates.

  • Causes of death:
    All the witnesses died from natural causes, with details depending on the individual's life circumstances.

  • Different paths after leaving:
    While some like David Whitmer founded their own church, others like Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris eventually sought to be rebaptized into the LDS Church before their deaths.

Even on their death beds, they never denied what they saw and witnessed with the Gold Plates and the Book of Mormon. Many of them were persecuted after Joseph Smith was murdered. Yet, they never denied their testimonies.
 
According to the Latter-day Saint faith, the 11 witnesses of the Book of Mormon, including the "Three Witnesses" (Oliver Cowdery, Martin Harris, and David Whitmer), all died of natural causes, with none of them publicly denying their testimonies about the golden plates even though several eventually left the Church due to disagreements with Joseph Smith and other leadership issues; however, some like Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris later sought to rejoin the Church before their deaths.

Key points about the witnesses' deaths:
  • No public denial:
    Despite leaving the Church, none of the witnesses ever publicly denied their testimony about seeing the golden plates.

  • Causes of death:
    All the witnesses died from natural causes, with details depending on the individual's life circumstances.

  • Different paths after leaving:
    While some like David Whitmer founded their own church, others like Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris eventually sought to be rebaptized into the LDS Church before their deaths.

Even on their death beds, they never denied what they saw and witnessed with the Gold Plates and the Book of Mormon. Many of them were persecuted after Joseph Smith was murdered. Yet, they never denied their testimonies.
not quite on the same level
 
The three who observed Jesus "return to life" were three who bolted on Jesus when the authorities showed up to arrest Jesus.

How they have any credibility after bolting on Jesus is the real question...


Consider this. You are one of 12 disciples. You either know this guy is "son of God" or complete fraud. If he was really "son of God" why would you bolt on him???
 
The three who observed Jesus "return to life" were three who bolted on Jesus when the authorities showed up to arrest Jesus.

How they have any credibility after bolting on Jesus is the real question...


Consider this. You are one of 12 disciples. You either know this guy is "son of God" or complete fraud. If he was really "son of God" why would you bolt on him???
That was before they witnessed the resurrection. It is what they did AFTER that witnesses Who Jesus was

I don't condemn them. You should be very careful about that too
 
Just shows how strong Mind Control can be .

None of these guys saw anything as the Essene Monk never even died on the cross .
Joseph of Arimathea bought his body and he recovered naturally .

But never mind , the differences in opinion among the various Cultists keeps us entertained .
It all makes a great story as long as you do not take it seriously .
 
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None of these guys saw anything as the Essene Monk never even died on the cross .
Joseph of Arimathea bought his body and he recovered naturally .
Are you a fan of an old Muslim work, Crucifixion or Cruci-fiction?
 
a 54 second video without any verification on the deaths described is typical of their 4 centuries latter christian bible that likewise has no verification for anything written between its covers.

they used the resurrection - for what purpose, obviously not for the prevailing religion judaism which for any reason in the region being discussed could be the undoing of anyone even in the present time.

they were teaching what jesus taught - liberation theology, self determination ... no doubt a free pass to the gallows. including even the present time.
 
Confirmed what that had been written about him?
Not exactly.

Reporting on Emperor Nero's decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed Rome in A.D. 64, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote:

Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome....[5]

Pliny was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. In one of his letters, dated around A.D. 112, he asks Trajan's advice about the appropriate way to conduct legal proceedings against those accused of being Christians.[8] Pliny says that he needed to consult the emperor about this issue because a great multitude of every age, class, and sex stood accused of Christianity.[9]

At one point in his letter, Pliny relates some of the information he has learned about these Christians:

They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.[10]

...Josephus, a first century Jewish historian. On two occasions, in his Jewish Antiquities, he mentions Jesus. The second, less revealing, reference describes the condemnation of one "James" by the Jewish Sanhedrin. This James, says Josephus, was "the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ."[14] F.F. Bruce points out how this agrees with Paul's description of James in Galatians 1:19 as "the Lord's brother."[15] And Edwin Yamauchi informs us that "few scholars have questioned" that Josephus actually penned this passage.[16]

As interesting as this brief reference is, there is an earlier one, which is truly astonishing. Called the "Testimonium Flavianum," the relevant portion declares:

About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he ... wrought surprising feats.... He was the Christ. When Pilate ...condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared ... restored to life.... And the tribe of Christians ... has ... not disappeared.[17]

Lucian of Samosata was a second century Greek satirist. In one of his works, he wrote of the early Christians as follows:

The Christians ... worship a man to this day – the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.... [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.[27]

 
As interesting as this brief reference is, there is an earlier one, which is truly astonishing. Called the "Testimonium Flavianum," the relevant portion declares:
One might almost say unbelievable:
The first and most extensive reference to Jesus in the Antiquities, found in Book 18, states that Jesus was the Messiah and a wise teacher who was crucified by Pontius Pilate. It is commonly called the Testimonium Flavianum.[3] Nearly all modern scholars reject the authenticity of this passage in its present form, though most nevertheless hold that it contains an authentic nucleus referencing the life and execution of Jesus by Pilate, which was then subjected to Christian interpolation and alteration.[4][5] However, the exact nature and extent of the original statement remains unclear.[6][7] The passage exists in all extant manuscripts of Antiquities.[8]

Many suspect this was inserted by a later Christian scribe. Why this devote Christian thought that their God needed their help is beyond me.
 
One might almost say unbelievable:

Many suspect this was inserted by a later Christian scribe. Why this devote Christian thought that their God needed their help is beyond me.
Only if you ignore what Tacitus wrote and what Pliny wrote and what Lucian wrote, right?

And then there's the early Christians themselves and the apostles. All in all it's pretty ridiculous to believe Christianity wasn't founded on the teaching and miracles performed by Jesus Christ. Because what is the alternative? How do you explain the behaviors of the early Christians and apostles?
 

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