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Supreme Court election case pits top judges against GOP lawmakers

The country's top state judges have taken aim at a Supreme Court case petitioned by North Carolina Republican lawmakers that seeks to determine whether courts or legislatures have the final say over congressional district lines.

The Conference of Chief Justices, a bipartisan group of top judges in all 50 states, filed an amicus brief Tuesday in the high court case Moore v. Harper, expressing disagreement with North Carolina GOP lawmakers over a map drawn by the GOP-led state legislature for the state's 14 House districts. The state Supreme Court smacked down the map on Feb. 14 by a 4-3 vote and ruled the districts were gerrymandered, or drawn in a way that was intentionally biased against Democrats.

North Carolina Republican House Speaker Tim Moore, Senate Leader Phil Berger, and other top GOP lawmakers are petitioners in the case and argue the U.S. Constitution's elections clause grants authority to state legislatures to regulate the "times, places, and manner of holding elections" and that state executive and judicial branches should have no say in the process.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...agree-with-nc-gop-in-scotus-elections-dispute

Some will characterize this as nothing more than a turf war between legislatures and state courts. Yet the implications are enormous.

Supreme Court to hear case on state authority over elections

The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday agreed to hear a case that could dramatically change the way elections for Congress and the presidency are conducted by handing more power to state legislatures and blocking state courts from reviewing challenges to the procedures and results.

The justices will consider whether state courts, when finding violations of their state constitutions, can order changes to federal elections and the once-a-decade redrawing of congressional districts. The case probably will be argued in the fall.

“This case could profoundly alter the balance of power in states and prevent state courts and agencies from providing protections for people’s right to vote,” said Rick Hasen, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine. “There’s a wide range of ways the court could rule on this. Taken to its extreme, it would be a radical reworking of our system of running elections.”

https://apnews.com/article/2022-mid...state-courts-712d5aa719884bab9652d3c132ee56c6

Let's be clear. What NC Repubs are seeking is unilateral authority given to the legislature over how elections are conducted and how district lines are drawn. So that no matter how egregiously partisan redistricting potentially is, each state Supreme Court will have no power to order that the lines be redrawn. Meaning we will see a lot more states like WI where Biden won a slim majority of votes in the 2020 election and there is a Dem governor. But due to gerrymandering Repubs have a hammer lock on 2/3 of the congressional districts. Thereby allowing Repubs to vote for a far right agenda without fear of voter reprisal.

Trump sycophant John Eastman (remember him) has gone so far to suggest in his writings that given the power Repubs seek, the state legislature could throw out the result of an election and decide for itself which electors will represent a state. Subverting the will of the majority being the aim of so many initiatives from Repubs as to justify the assertion they have become an anti-democratic party.
 
Supreme Court election case pits top judges against GOP lawmakers

The country's top state judges have taken aim at a Supreme Court case petitioned by North Carolina Republican lawmakers that seeks to determine whether courts or legislatures have the final say over congressional district lines.

The Conference of Chief Justices, a bipartisan group of top judges in all 50 states, filed an amicus brief Tuesday in the high court case Moore v. Harper, expressing disagreement with North Carolina GOP lawmakers over a map drawn by the GOP-led state legislature for the state's 14 House districts. The state Supreme Court smacked down the map on Feb. 14 by a 4-3 vote and ruled the districts were gerrymandered, or drawn in a way that was intentionally biased against Democrats.

North Carolina Republican House Speaker Tim Moore, Senate Leader Phil Berger, and other top GOP lawmakers are petitioners in the case and argue the U.S. Constitution's elections clause grants authority to state legislatures to regulate the "times, places, and manner of holding elections" and that state executive and judicial branches should have no say in the process.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...agree-with-nc-gop-in-scotus-elections-dispute

Some will characterize this as nothing more than a turf war between legislatures and state courts. Yet the implications are enormous.

Supreme Court to hear case on state authority over elections

The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday agreed to hear a case that could dramatically change the way elections for Congress and the presidency are conducted by handing more power to state legislatures and blocking state courts from reviewing challenges to the procedures and results.

The justices will consider whether state courts, when finding violations of their state constitutions, can order changes to federal elections and the once-a-decade redrawing of congressional districts. The case probably will be argued in the fall.

“This case could profoundly alter the balance of power in states and prevent state courts and agencies from providing protections for people’s right to vote,” said Rick Hasen, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine. “There’s a wide range of ways the court could rule on this. Taken to its extreme, it would be a radical reworking of our system of running elections.”

https://apnews.com/article/2022-mid...state-courts-712d5aa719884bab9652d3c132ee56c6

Let's be clear. What NC Repubs are seeking is unilateral authority given to the legislature over how elections are conducted and how district lines are drawn. So that no matter how egregiously partisan redistricting potentially is, each state Supreme Court will have no power to order that the lines be redrawn. Meaning we will see a lot more states like WI where Biden won a slim majority of votes in the 2020 election and there is a Dem governor. But due to gerrymandering Repubs have a hammer lock on 2/3 of the congressional districts. Thereby allowing Repubs to vote for a far right agenda without fear of voter reprisal.

Trump sycophant John Eastman (remember him) has gone so far to suggest in his writings that given the power Repubs seek, the state legislature could throw out the result of an election and decide for itself which electors will represent a state. Subverting the will of the majority being the aim of so many initiatives from Repubs as to justify the assertion they have become an anti-democratic party.
That NC thing has to be the most blatant power grab I've seen. So far. But it's early.
 
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That NC thing has to be the most blatant power group I've seen. So far. But it's early.
I guess they looked at the power grab the dems put on here in Virginia during the brief time they held sway and said "fuck that noise". They have the same yankee transplant problem that we have.

I say if there is any opportunity to knock the dems down a peg you better take it.....And keep kicking them while they are down......They have to get mean because that high road is littered with the bones of failed gop politicians.
 
That NC thing has to be the most blatant power group I've seen. So far. But it's early.
You'll never guess who is behind a group that filed an amicus brief in support of NC. Leonard Leo, the Federalist Society guy who just got $1.6B of dark money to use thanks to the Citizens United case. Ruled on by justices he got nominated. Ah, the symmetry of it all.
Just imagine what he can do if Repub controlled state legislatures can ignore state constitutions at their discretion.
 
With the Federalist judges in the majority, they may very well over turn the prescient that has held for so long, that is interpreting the election clause broadly to include the entire law making apparatus of the various states not just legislatures.

Definitely a power grab by the minority party.

It might succeed ladies, vote them out.


"One unusual feature of the Elections Clause is that it does not confer the power to regulate congressional elections on states as a whole, but rather the “Legislature” of each state. The Supreme Court has construed the term “Legislature” extremely broadly to include any entity or procedure that a state’s constitution permits to exercise lawmaking power. Thus, laws regulating congressional elections may be enacted not only by a state’s actual legislature, but also directly by a state’s voters through the initiative process or public referendum, in states that allow such procedures.

The Court also has held that a legislature may delegate its authority under the Elections Clause to other entities or officials. A few states have chosen to transfer power to draw congressional district lines from their respective legislatures to non-partisan or bipartisan “independent redistricting commissions.” These states believe that such commissions can make the electoral process more fair by preventing voters from being divided into congressional districts in ways that unduly protect existing officeholders (“gerrymandering”). "

 
It might succeed ladies, vote them out.
How do you vote them out in a state like WI? A state that is very evenly split between Dems and Repubs yet Repubs have gerrymandered their way to a permanent majority in the legislature.
 
How do you vote them out in a state like WI? A state that is very evenly split between Dems and Repubs yet Repubs have gerrymandered their way to a permanent majority in the legislature.
You have the Fascist State of California which is One Party DemNazi SS Rule. At least Gerrymandering is lawful and Constitutional. What is going on in California must even instigate The Wrath of God.

I predict California will eventually be punished for their perversions, lies, and thieving and cheating.

Think Sodom and Gomorrah only a bit hotter and more devastating.
 
How do you vote them out in a state like WI? A state that is very evenly split between Dems and Repubs yet Repubs have gerrymandered their way to a permanent majority in the legislature.
That is a damn good question. How to ensure that every persons vote counts as equally as another's. Proportional representation in the House, based on party affiliation would not only do away with partisan Gerrymandering but it could also facilitate the rise of, more than a two party system quagmire, we seem to be stuck with now.
 
Supreme Court election case pits top judges against GOP lawmakers

The country's top state judges have taken aim at a Supreme Court case petitioned by North Carolina Republican lawmakers that seeks to determine whether courts or legislatures have the final say over congressional district lines.

The Conference of Chief Justices, a bipartisan group of top judges in all 50 states, filed an amicus brief Tuesday in the high court case Moore v. Harper, expressing disagreement with North Carolina GOP lawmakers over a map drawn by the GOP-led state legislature for the state's 14 House districts. The state Supreme Court smacked down the map on Feb. 14 by a 4-3 vote and ruled the districts were gerrymandered, or drawn in a way that was intentionally biased against Democrats.

North Carolina Republican House Speaker Tim Moore, Senate Leader Phil Berger, and other top GOP lawmakers are petitioners in the case and argue the U.S. Constitution's elections clause grants authority to state legislatures to regulate the "times, places, and manner of holding elections" and that state executive and judicial branches should have no say in the process.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...agree-with-nc-gop-in-scotus-elections-dispute

Some will characterize this as nothing more than a turf war between legislatures and state courts. Yet the implications are enormous.

Supreme Court to hear case on state authority over elections

The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday agreed to hear a case that could dramatically change the way elections for Congress and the presidency are conducted by handing more power to state legislatures and blocking state courts from reviewing challenges to the procedures and results.

The justices will consider whether state courts, when finding violations of their state constitutions, can order changes to federal elections and the once-a-decade redrawing of congressional districts. The case probably will be argued in the fall.

“This case could profoundly alter the balance of power in states and prevent state courts and agencies from providing protections for people’s right to vote,” said Rick Hasen, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine. “There’s a wide range of ways the court could rule on this. Taken to its extreme, it would be a radical reworking of our system of running elections.”

https://apnews.com/article/2022-mid...state-courts-712d5aa719884bab9652d3c132ee56c6

Let's be clear. What NC Repubs are seeking is unilateral authority given to the legislature over how elections are conducted and how district lines are drawn. So that no matter how egregiously partisan redistricting potentially is, each state Supreme Court will have no power to order that the lines be redrawn. Meaning we will see a lot more states like WI where Biden won a slim majority of votes in the 2020 election and there is a Dem governor. But due to gerrymandering Repubs have a hammer lock on 2/3 of the congressional districts. Thereby allowing Repubs to vote for a far right agenda without fear of voter reprisal.

Trump sycophant John Eastman (remember him) has gone so far to suggest in his writings that given the power Repubs seek, the state legislature could throw out the result of an election and decide for itself which electors will represent a state. Subverting the will of the majority being the aim of so many initiatives from Repubs as to justify the assertion they have become an anti-democratic party.
Sad.
Yet another indication that MAGA extremists are
indeed a threat to our democracy and have no regard for the separation of powers in their grab for power around the nation.

The next national election will be a shitshow of epic proportions if this doesn’t get sorted.
 
You'll never guess who is behind a group that filed an amicus brief in support of NC. Leonard Leo, the Federalist Society guy who just got $1.6B of dark money to use thanks to the Citizens United case. Ruled on by justices he got nominated. Ah, the symmetry of it all.
Just imagine what he can do if Repub controlled state legislatures can ignore state constitutions at their discretion.
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