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None of that pseudoscience can minimize the deadly impact of COVID. If an infection is what starts the chain of events, why does it matter what steps are. If we can EASILY stop the chain of events, why are you the only one who knows this. Now if you’ll just inform all those ignorant people in the medical profession, we can put this all to bed and get back to normal.What does survival in the blood stream have to do with anything. COVID starts a cascade that results in death. That makes it the cause of death.Are we actually reading this bloviating ignorance? Does this person know anything about long term health risks after the virus? MY God where do these idiots come from?to get to herd immunity, more than 200,000,000 have to have antibodies. so you must be saying we should’ve been ACCELERATING the number of infection. and forget about swamping our hospitals, they can manage just fine, no matter how many people need to get in. And never mind that reducing the number of infections reduces the chance of the virus mutating into a strain that is more deadly or that the vaccine won’t prevent.If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.
in the early days there hadn’t been much research on how to treat COVID. A lot has been learned since then And the morbidity rate is declining - for now.
We SHOULD have been accelerating the infection rate. Since the young and healthy are essentially at no risk, we should have been deliberately infecting young volunteers. They could have been compensated for the tiny risk.
But no, your numbers and conclusions are totally wrong.
First of all, when you need 70% of the population to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity, that has NOTHING at all to do with antibodies.
Since over half the population is and always has been inherently immune to every epidemic there has ever been, the estimates should have been that only 10 to 20% more would have had to gain immunity.
Remember that children as almost all inherently immune right off the bat.
By insolating only the vulnerable and quarantining the infected, we could have used variolation, (deliberate infection), or only the young and healthy, so had almost no hospitalization at all.
And NO, there would be NO variants or new strains because variolation would have achieve herd immunity in less than a month. That would prevent any new strains. New strains are a product of time, not spread. And if we had achieve herd immunity in March, we would have had neither less spread, not more. As it is, by "flattening the curve", we forced the epidemic to last over a year, which produced the most deaths and new strains possible.
And antibodies have nothing to do with it. Whether inherent immunity or acquired immunity, that only means your immune system has the ability to produce the correct antibodies in response. It does not mean you have to actually have them. And they only last a month or less anyway, so antibodies are not relevant.
You are totally uninformed.
The covid-19 virus can't even survive in the blood steam. It can not possibly get to any organ or do any damage at all. It only survives at all by hiding in external airways, like sinuses and in the lungs.
ALL the damage is done not by the virus, but ONLY by the over reaction of the immune system, the cytokine storm. Anyone who think the covid-19 is traveling around the body doing damage, really does not know anything at all about it, and should shut up.
And the significance of that is we CAN treat over active immune system reactions. We should easily be able to prevent there from being any damage from a covid-19 infection.
The point is that the actual covid-19 can't do any harm at all by itself.
It can only hide in the sinuses and lung airways, causing essentially no harm at all.
But when the immune system detects exosomes telling it that there is some covid-19 somewhere in the lungs, the immune freaks out and starts attacking the lungs.
It is called a "cytokine storm".
And it is this over active and totally wrong response by the immune system that does ALL the damage.
And why that matters is that we can't treat viruses, but we CAN EASILY treat over active immune responses.
We have lots of immuno suppressants for treating things like Lupus, diabetes, allergies, etc., which are all over responses by the immune system. And yes, the deadly fever of malaria is also one of those over active immune responses that is stopped by the immuno suppressant HCQ.
You have proven you can't do simple math.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.
This is where simple math isn't so simple. If you have infections leading to 30,000 deaths a month, those cases received very good care and had a low mortality rate. Working backwards that's 20 million infections.
You wanted to increase that to 200 million to get it over with quicker, but doing so would overwhelm the hospitals, leaving the vast majority receiving no hospital care. Significantly increasing the mortality rate.
The Urban Institute analysis estimates that in 2018, the United States had 728,000 medical and surgical hospital beds available to the public
If you instead
I have no idea what that has to do with my argument over organ damage that you said isn't happening?22 million people infected with possible long term health and organ damage is not trivial. You are way behind on the research.Too bad Trump waited months to tell us it was five times worse than the flu. He fucked it up bigley.Our economy declined because blue state governors put the country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and runningOur economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid
It obviously is NOT 5 times worse than the flu. The 2 numbers are R0 infection rate and lethality, both of which are about the same for transient flus. The R0 value is about 2, and the lethality is about 0.15%.
In fact, even now the totally death toll from covid-19 is only 0.07%.
It is less than trivial.
Obviously if you force any trivial illness to last FOREVER, you can deliberately cause ANY illness to harm as many people as you want. But then don't blame the illness, when you deliberately cause it yourself.
" So then clearly for some reason, children have inherent immunity or at least are highly resistant. "You have proven you can't do simple math.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.
This is where simple math isn't so simple. If you have infections leading to 30,000 deaths a month, those cases received very good care and had a low mortality rate. Working backwards that's 20 million infections.
You wanted to increase that to 200 million to get it over with quicker, but doing so would overwhelm the hospitals, leaving the vast majority receiving no hospital care. Significantly increasing the mortality rate.
The Urban Institute analysis estimates that in 2018, the United States had 728,000 medical and surgical hospital beds available to the public
If you instead
Wrong.
You were not paying attention.
I keep trying to explain that no epidemic has ever needed 70% to get infected and recover.
That is because over half the population is already inherently immune.
Look at the death rate of children for example.
Of those 300,000 dead, only about 100 are children, even thought they touch more and wash hands less.
So then clearly for some reason, children have inherent immunity or at least are highly resistant.
Then look at Israel that has essentially achieve herd immunity with only a 20% vaccination rate.
So you do NOT need 70% to recover from infection.
But even if you did, you would not have any where near the death or hospitalization rates you have now.
That is because almost ALL the deaths and hospitalizations are over 70.
If you only pick those under 40, then the death and hospitalization rates are drastically deduced, by over a factor of 40.
Again, those under 40 are essentially NOT dying and NOT needing hospitalization.
Again, that is NOT 200 million infections, but only about 30 million at most.
And again, just compare this to any previous epidemic.
NEVER has an epidemic required 70% to get infected in order to end it.
Most people get a flu shot to keep it from spiking. People who don't are unprotected. Many viruses never go away. HIV is still here.It's not 300,000. Get a fucking clue; This Is How Many People Die From the Flu Each YearOut of all the lying, ignorant posts I have read on here, yours is at the top of the list.The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and runningOur economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid
Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.
Trump had intel going all the way back to January 2020 and called it the new Democrat hoax, comparing it to the Russia hoax. That's fact number one. Fact number two, he had an interview with Bob Woodward telling Bob that the Coronavirus was five times worse than the flu. And he never told us until the audio came out.
Now, here's where your post really gets into some stupid territory. OMG! I can't believe I read that.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve". You fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid that is? In your previous sentence you said it was "about the same as the seasonal flu." "It's because Fauci goofed and tried to flatten the curve, that has never ended a pandemic. "Which is why too many died". You idiot, you just admitted it wasn't like the flu, and on top of that, Trump said it was five times worse than the flu.
You have proven you can't do simple math.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.
Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. The higher number reflects the particularly harsh 2017-2018 flu season. Most years, the US death toll from the flu is closer to 34,000 to 43,000. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
That is very ignorant because if you wear masks and social distance to "flatten the curve" with flu as well, you can prevent the spike and force to stick around FOREVER.
The reason we do not normally have annual flu for more than a month is that herd immunity kills it off after it spikes. If you prevent the spike by flattening the curve, then it will NOT go away. It will stay FOREVER!
Russian Collusion? Duh? You assholes made that up! You PAID foreign nationals to pretend it was real! Your liberal media pushed a story that was totally fabricated! Liberal politicians like Adam Schiff declared they had proof it happened and then provided NOTHING! Entrenched swamp creatures like Clapper, Brennan and Comey took part in one lie after another to our courts! What allegations am I talking about? You've got to be kidding!20,000 plus confirmed lies by Trump. What phony allegations are you talking about?Who spent four years spewing phony allegations, MadDog? Actually, make that four and a half years because liberals in this country were spewing phony allegations about Trump before he even took office! Russian collusion? Talk about a crock!Better yet, let’s get back to a time when an orange Prez didn’t spend 4 years spewing phoney allegations to mindless worshipper.You get "mobs" when people feel like they've been screwed! If you REALLY want unity in this country then it's time to bring confidence back to our electoral process. We're in this situation because literally millions of Americans think the other side "stole" an election. If you REALLY want to fix what's wrong it's not difficult. We need to go back to secure elections...where people vote in person with a valid ID or they vote with an absentee ballot that they've requested be mailed to a valid address. If you want "mail out" ballots because you think they give your side an advantage in elections...then you deserve it when mobs coming knocking at your door! Just saying...
Good video.... A great truth.
On Jan. 6, as lawmakers were certifying Democrat Joe Biden’s victory, Republican Trump took to a stage near the White House and exhorted a crowd of supporters repeatedly to “fight” - using the word more than 20 times - and “not take it any longer.” Tell us what Levin said again.
None of that pseudoscience can minimize the deadly impact of COVID. If an infection is what starts the chain of events, why does it matter what steps are. If we can EASILY stop the chain of events, why are you the only one who knows this. Now if you’ll just inform all those ignorant people in the medical profession, we can put this all to bed and get back to normal.What does survival in the blood stream have to do with anything. COVID starts a cascade that results in death. That makes it the cause of death.Are we actually reading this bloviating ignorance? Does this person know anything about long term health risks after the virus? MY God where do these idiots come from?to get to herd immunity, more than 200,000,000 have to have antibodies. so you must be saying we should’ve been ACCELERATING the number of infection. and forget about swamping our hospitals, they can manage just fine, no matter how many people need to get in. And never mind that reducing the number of infections reduces the chance of the virus mutating into a strain that is more deadly or that the vaccine won’t prevent.If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.
in the early days there hadn’t been much research on how to treat COVID. A lot has been learned since then And the morbidity rate is declining - for now.
We SHOULD have been accelerating the infection rate. Since the young and healthy are essentially at no risk, we should have been deliberately infecting young volunteers. They could have been compensated for the tiny risk.
But no, your numbers and conclusions are totally wrong.
First of all, when you need 70% of the population to be immune in order to achieve herd immunity, that has NOTHING at all to do with antibodies.
Since over half the population is and always has been inherently immune to every epidemic there has ever been, the estimates should have been that only 10 to 20% more would have had to gain immunity.
Remember that children as almost all inherently immune right off the bat.
By insolating only the vulnerable and quarantining the infected, we could have used variolation, (deliberate infection), or only the young and healthy, so had almost no hospitalization at all.
And NO, there would be NO variants or new strains because variolation would have achieve herd immunity in less than a month. That would prevent any new strains. New strains are a product of time, not spread. And if we had achieve herd immunity in March, we would have had neither less spread, not more. As it is, by "flattening the curve", we forced the epidemic to last over a year, which produced the most deaths and new strains possible.
And antibodies have nothing to do with it. Whether inherent immunity or acquired immunity, that only means your immune system has the ability to produce the correct antibodies in response. It does not mean you have to actually have them. And they only last a month or less anyway, so antibodies are not relevant.
You are totally uninformed.
The covid-19 virus can't even survive in the blood steam. It can not possibly get to any organ or do any damage at all. It only survives at all by hiding in external airways, like sinuses and in the lungs.
ALL the damage is done not by the virus, but ONLY by the over reaction of the immune system, the cytokine storm. Anyone who think the covid-19 is traveling around the body doing damage, really does not know anything at all about it, and should shut up.
And the significance of that is we CAN treat over active immune system reactions. We should easily be able to prevent there from being any damage from a covid-19 infection.
The point is that the actual covid-19 can't do any harm at all by itself.
It can only hide in the sinuses and lung airways, causing essentially no harm at all.
But when the immune system detects exosomes telling it that there is some covid-19 somewhere in the lungs, the immune freaks out and starts attacking the lungs.
It is called a "cytokine storm".
And it is this over active and totally wrong response by the immune system that does ALL the damage.
And why that matters is that we can't treat viruses, but we CAN EASILY treat over active immune responses.
We have lots of immuno suppressants for treating things like Lupus, diabetes, allergies, etc., which are all over responses by the immune system. And yes, the deadly fever of malaria is also one of those over active immune responses that is stopped by the immuno suppressant HCQ.
or are you part of a conspiracy on your part to hide all those EASY solutions, just to hurt Trump
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
How do you manage so much misinformation. I trust epidemiology a lot more than I trust you. All you’ve done is to try to argue through some sort of twisting of your logic.You have proven you can't do simple math.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.
This is where simple math isn't so simple. If you have infections leading to 30,000 deaths a month, those cases received very good care and had a low mortality rate. Working backwards that's 20 million infections.
You wanted to increase that to 200 million to get it over with quicker, but doing so would overwhelm the hospitals, leaving the vast majority receiving no hospital care. Significantly increasing the mortality rate.
The Urban Institute analysis estimates that in 2018, the United States had 728,000 medical and surgical hospital beds available to the public
If you instead
Wrong.
You were not paying attention.
I keep trying to explain that no epidemic has ever needed 70% to get infected and recover.
That is because over half the population is already inherently immune.
Look at the death rate of children for example.
Of those 300,000 dead, only about 100 are children, even thought they touch more and wash hands less.
So then clearly for some reason, children have inherent immunity or at least are highly resistant.
Then look at Israel that has essentially achieve herd immunity with only a 20% vaccination rate.
So you do NOT need 70% to recover from infection.
But even if you did, you would not have any where near the death or hospitalization rates you have now.
That is because almost ALL the deaths and hospitalizations are over 70.
If you only pick those under 40, then the death and hospitalization rates are drastically deduced, by over a factor of 40.
Again, those under 40 are essentially NOT dying and NOT needing hospitalization.
Again, that is NOT 200 million infections, but only about 30 million at most.
And again, just compare this to any previous epidemic.
NEVER has an epidemic required 70% to get infected in order to end it.
If everyone had a flu vaccine, spreading would automatically be irrelevant. That's why vaccines are so important. Are you okay? You know, common sense okay?Most people get a flu shot to keep it from spiking. People who don't are unprotected. Many viruses never go away. HIV is still here.It's not 300,000. Get a fucking clue; This Is How Many People Die From the Flu Each YearOut of all the lying, ignorant posts I have read on here, yours is at the top of the list.The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and runningOur economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid
Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.
Trump had intel going all the way back to January 2020 and called it the new Democrat hoax, comparing it to the Russia hoax. That's fact number one. Fact number two, he had an interview with Bob Woodward telling Bob that the Coronavirus was five times worse than the flu. And he never told us until the audio came out.
Now, here's where your post really gets into some stupid territory. OMG! I can't believe I read that.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve". You fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid that is? In your previous sentence you said it was "about the same as the seasonal flu." "It's because Fauci goofed and tried to flatten the curve, that has never ended a pandemic. "Which is why too many died". You idiot, you just admitted it wasn't like the flu, and on top of that, Trump said it was five times worse than the flu.
You have proven you can't do simple math.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.
Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. The higher number reflects the particularly harsh 2017-2018 flu season. Most years, the US death toll from the flu is closer to 34,000 to 43,000. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
That is very ignorant because if you wear masks and social distance to "flatten the curve" with flu as well, you can prevent the spike and force to stick around FOREVER.
The reason we do not normally have annual flu for more than a month is that herd immunity kills it off after it spikes. If you prevent the spike by flattening the curve, then it will NOT go away. It will stay FOREVER!
Wrong.
Flu can live in humans.
It is endemic to humans.
We can never get rid of it.
No vaccine is very effective.
Most people do not get a flu vaccine, and the ones who do can still spread it.
But covid-19 is zoonotic, and can only live permanently in bats.
It can not live in humans.
It is not endemic to humans.
But if we keep "flattening the curve", and keep covid-19 around long enough, then we will breed a variant strain that can live in humans.
It is a matter of time.
So we can not afford to keep "flattening the curve".
We have to end it and get rid of it QUICKLY.
This is also ignorant.Most people get a flu shot to keep it from spiking. People who don't are unprotected. Many viruses never go away. HIV is still here.It's not 300,000. Get a fucking clue; This Is How Many People Die From the Flu Each YearOut of all the lying, ignorant posts I have read on here, yours is at the top of the list.The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and runningOur economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid
Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.
Trump had intel going all the way back to January 2020 and called it the new Democrat hoax, comparing it to the Russia hoax. That's fact number one. Fact number two, he had an interview with Bob Woodward telling Bob that the Coronavirus was five times worse than the flu. And he never told us until the audio came out.
Now, here's where your post really gets into some stupid territory. OMG! I can't believe I read that.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve". You fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid that is? In your previous sentence you said it was "about the same as the seasonal flu." "It's because Fauci goofed and tried to flatten the curve, that has never ended a pandemic. "Which is why too many died". You idiot, you just admitted it wasn't like the flu, and on top of that, Trump said it was five times worse than the flu.
You have proven you can't do simple math.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.
Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. The higher number reflects the particularly harsh 2017-2018 flu season. Most years, the US death toll from the flu is closer to 34,000 to 43,000. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
That is very ignorant because if you wear masks and social distance to "flatten the curve" with flu as well, you can prevent the spike and force to stick around FOREVER.
The reason we do not normally have annual flu for more than a month is that herd immunity kills it off after it spikes. If you prevent the spike by flattening the curve, then it will NOT go away. It will stay FOREVER!
Wrong.
Flu can live in humans.
It is endemic to humans.
We can never get rid of it.
No vaccine is very effective.
Most people do not get a flu vaccine, and the ones who do can still spread it.
But covid-19 is zoonotic, and can only live permanently in bats.
It can not live in humans.
It is not endemic to humans.
But if we keep "flattening the curve", and keep covid-19 around long enough, then we will breed a variant strain that can live in humans.
It is a matter of time.
So we can not afford to keep "flattening the curve".
We have to end it and get rid of it QUICKLY.
" So then clearly for some reason, children have inherent immunity or at least are highly resistant. "You have proven you can't do simple math.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.
This is where simple math isn't so simple. If you have infections leading to 30,000 deaths a month, those cases received very good care and had a low mortality rate. Working backwards that's 20 million infections.
You wanted to increase that to 200 million to get it over with quicker, but doing so would overwhelm the hospitals, leaving the vast majority receiving no hospital care. Significantly increasing the mortality rate.
The Urban Institute analysis estimates that in 2018, the United States had 728,000 medical and surgical hospital beds available to the public
If you instead
Wrong.
You were not paying attention.
I keep trying to explain that no epidemic has ever needed 70% to get infected and recover.
That is because over half the population is already inherently immune.
Look at the death rate of children for example.
Of those 300,000 dead, only about 100 are children, even thought they touch more and wash hands less.
So then clearly for some reason, children have inherent immunity or at least are highly resistant.
Then look at Israel that has essentially achieve herd immunity with only a 20% vaccination rate.
So you do NOT need 70% to recover from infection.
But even if you did, you would not have any where near the death or hospitalization rates you have now.
That is because almost ALL the deaths and hospitalizations are over 70.
If you only pick those under 40, then the death and hospitalization rates are drastically deduced, by over a factor of 40.
Again, those under 40 are essentially NOT dying and NOT needing hospitalization.
Again, that is NOT 200 million infections, but only about 30 million at most.
And again, just compare this to any previous epidemic.
NEVER has an epidemic required 70% to get infected in order to end it.
This is pure ignorance. Children don't have inherent immunity. Their bodies just fight it off better due to being in better health to start with.
“asymptomatic”
Russian Collusion? Duh? You assholes made that up! You PAID foreign nationals to pretend it was real! Your liberal media pushed a story that was totally fabricated! Liberal politicians like Adam Schiff declared they had proof it happened and then provided NOTHING! Entrenched swamp creatures like Clapper, Brennan and Comey took part in one lie after another to our courts! What allegations am I talking about? You've got to be kidding!20,000 plus confirmed lies by Trump. What phony allegations are you talking about?Who spent four years spewing phony allegations, MadDog? Actually, make that four and a half years because liberals in this country were spewing phony allegations about Trump before he even took office! Russian collusion? Talk about a crock!Better yet, let’s get back to a time when an orange Prez didn’t spend 4 years spewing phoney allegations to mindless worshipper.You get "mobs" when people feel like they've been screwed! If you REALLY want unity in this country then it's time to bring confidence back to our electoral process. We're in this situation because literally millions of Americans think the other side "stole" an election. If you REALLY want to fix what's wrong it's not difficult. We need to go back to secure elections...where people vote in person with a valid ID or they vote with an absentee ballot that they've requested be mailed to a valid address. If you want "mail out" ballots because you think they give your side an advantage in elections...then you deserve it when mobs coming knocking at your door! Just saying...
Russian collusion was proven. Do you know what collusion means?Russian Collusion? Duh? You assholes made that up! You PAID foreign nationals to pretend it was real! Your liberal media pushed a story that was totally fabricated! Liberal politicians like Adam Schiff declared they had proof it happened and then provided NOTHING! Entrenched swamp creatures like Clapper, Brennan and Comey took part in one lie after another to our courts! What allegations am I talking about? You've got to be kidding!20,000 plus confirmed lies by Trump. What phony allegations are you talking about?Who spent four years spewing phony allegations, MadDog? Actually, make that four and a half years because liberals in this country were spewing phony allegations about Trump before he even took office! Russian collusion? Talk about a crock!Better yet, let’s get back to a time when an orange Prez didn’t spend 4 years spewing phoney allegations to mindless worshipper.You get "mobs" when people feel like they've been screwed! If you REALLY want unity in this country then it's time to bring confidence back to our electoral process. We're in this situation because literally millions of Americans think the other side "stole" an election. If you REALLY want to fix what's wrong it's not difficult. We need to go back to secure elections...where people vote in person with a valid ID or they vote with an absentee ballot that they've requested be mailed to a valid address. If you want "mail out" ballots because you think they give your side an advantage in elections...then you deserve it when mobs coming knocking at your door! Just saying...
The fastest way to herd immunity is to increase the number of people who are immune. With vaccines, we can do that a lot faster and avoid millionths of deaths. COVID has no idea how you got your immunity - by injection or by infection. If given a choice, I’d rather get my immunity by injection.Most people get a flu shot to keep it from spiking. People who don't are unprotected. Many viruses never go away. HIV is still here.It's not 300,000. Get a fucking clue; This Is How Many People Die From the Flu Each YearOut of all the lying, ignorant posts I have read on here, yours is at the top of the list.The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and runningOur economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid
Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.
Trump had intel going all the way back to January 2020 and called it the new Democrat hoax, comparing it to the Russia hoax. That's fact number one. Fact number two, he had an interview with Bob Woodward telling Bob that the Coronavirus was five times worse than the flu. And he never told us until the audio came out.
Now, here's where your post really gets into some stupid territory. OMG! I can't believe I read that.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve". You fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid that is? In your previous sentence you said it was "about the same as the seasonal flu." "It's because Fauci goofed and tried to flatten the curve, that has never ended a pandemic. "Which is why too many died". You idiot, you just admitted it wasn't like the flu, and on top of that, Trump said it was five times worse than the flu.
You have proven you can't do simple math.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.
Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. The higher number reflects the particularly harsh 2017-2018 flu season. Most years, the US death toll from the flu is closer to 34,000 to 43,000. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
That is very ignorant because if you wear masks and social distance to "flatten the curve" with flu as well, you can prevent the spike and force to stick around FOREVER.
The reason we do not normally have annual flu for more than a month is that herd immunity kills it off after it spikes. If you prevent the spike by flattening the curve, then it will NOT go away. It will stay FOREVER!
Wrong.
Flu can live in humans.
It is endemic to humans.
We can never get rid of it.
No vaccine is very effective.
Most people do not get a flu vaccine, and the ones who do can still spread it.
But covid-19 is zoonotic, and can only live permanently in bats.
It can not live in humans.
It is not endemic to humans.
But if we keep "flattening the curve", and keep covid-19 around long enough, then we will breed a variant strain that can live in humans.
It is a matter of time.
So we can not afford to keep "flattening the curve".
We have to end it and get rid of it QUICKLY.
If everyone had a flu vaccine, spreading would automatically be irrelevant. That's why vaccines are so important. Are you okay? You know, common sense okay?Most people get a flu shot to keep it from spiking. People who don't are unprotected. Many viruses never go away. HIV is still here.It's not 300,000. Get a fucking clue; This Is How Many People Die From the Flu Each YearOut of all the lying, ignorant posts I have read on here, yours is at the top of the list.The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and runningOur economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid
Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.
Trump had intel going all the way back to January 2020 and called it the new Democrat hoax, comparing it to the Russia hoax. That's fact number one. Fact number two, he had an interview with Bob Woodward telling Bob that the Coronavirus was five times worse than the flu. And he never told us until the audio came out.
Now, here's where your post really gets into some stupid territory. OMG! I can't believe I read that.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve". You fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid that is? In your previous sentence you said it was "about the same as the seasonal flu." "It's because Fauci goofed and tried to flatten the curve, that has never ended a pandemic. "Which is why too many died". You idiot, you just admitted it wasn't like the flu, and on top of that, Trump said it was five times worse than the flu.
You have proven you can't do simple math.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.
Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. The higher number reflects the particularly harsh 2017-2018 flu season. Most years, the US death toll from the flu is closer to 34,000 to 43,000. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
That is very ignorant because if you wear masks and social distance to "flatten the curve" with flu as well, you can prevent the spike and force to stick around FOREVER.
The reason we do not normally have annual flu for more than a month is that herd immunity kills it off after it spikes. If you prevent the spike by flattening the curve, then it will NOT go away. It will stay FOREVER!
Wrong.
Flu can live in humans.
It is endemic to humans.
We can never get rid of it.
No vaccine is very effective.
Most people do not get a flu vaccine, and the ones who do can still spread it.
But covid-19 is zoonotic, and can only live permanently in bats.
It can not live in humans.
It is not endemic to humans.
But if we keep "flattening the curve", and keep covid-19 around long enough, then we will breed a variant strain that can live in humans.
It is a matter of time.
So we can not afford to keep "flattening the curve".
We have to end it and get rid of it QUICKLY.
Incorrect." So then clearly for some reason, children have inherent immunity or at least are highly resistant. "You have proven you can't do simple math.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.
This is where simple math isn't so simple. If you have infections leading to 30,000 deaths a month, those cases received very good care and had a low mortality rate. Working backwards that's 20 million infections.
You wanted to increase that to 200 million to get it over with quicker, but doing so would overwhelm the hospitals, leaving the vast majority receiving no hospital care. Significantly increasing the mortality rate.
The Urban Institute analysis estimates that in 2018, the United States had 728,000 medical and surgical hospital beds available to the public
If you instead
Wrong.
You were not paying attention.
I keep trying to explain that no epidemic has ever needed 70% to get infected and recover.
That is because over half the population is already inherently immune.
Look at the death rate of children for example.
Of those 300,000 dead, only about 100 are children, even thought they touch more and wash hands less.
So then clearly for some reason, children have inherent immunity or at least are highly resistant.
Then look at Israel that has essentially achieve herd immunity with only a 20% vaccination rate.
So you do NOT need 70% to recover from infection.
But even if you did, you would not have any where near the death or hospitalization rates you have now.
That is because almost ALL the deaths and hospitalizations are over 70.
If you only pick those under 40, then the death and hospitalization rates are drastically deduced, by over a factor of 40.
Again, those under 40 are essentially NOT dying and NOT needing hospitalization.
Again, that is NOT 200 million infections, but only about 30 million at most.
And again, just compare this to any previous epidemic.
NEVER has an epidemic required 70% to get infected in order to end it.
This is pure ignorance. Children don't have inherent immunity. Their bodies just fight it off better due to being in better health to start with.
“asymptomatic”
Wrong.
Children are not in better health to start with.
Just look as the Spanish flu of 1918.
Essentially it targeted children MORE than adults.
No, the difference is that they get more immunities from mother's milk and rely on that more, so they do not tend to have the immune system over reaction as much.
It is not a question of "fighting it off better".
You don't really have to fight it off.
Covid-19 dies in less than 12 days naturally, and is no threat to anyone on its own.
If you look up what "asymptomatic" means in terms of covid-19, it means inherent immunity.
All of Trumps intelligence agencies concluded Russia helped Trump get elected. Where is your evidence it is totally fake?Russian Collusion? Duh? You assholes made that up! You PAID foreign nationals to pretend it was real! Your liberal media pushed a story that was totally fabricated! Liberal politicians like Adam Schiff declared they had proof it happened and then provided NOTHING! Entrenched swamp creatures like Clapper, Brennan and Comey took part in one lie after another to our courts! What allegations am I talking about? You've got to be kidding!20,000 plus confirmed lies by Trump. What phony allegations are you talking about?Who spent four years spewing phony allegations, MadDog? Actually, make that four and a half years because liberals in this country were spewing phony allegations about Trump before he even took office! Russian collusion? Talk about a crock!Better yet, let’s get back to a time when an orange Prez didn’t spend 4 years spewing phoney allegations to mindless worshipper.You get "mobs" when people feel like they've been screwed! If you REALLY want unity in this country then it's time to bring confidence back to our electoral process. We're in this situation because literally millions of Americans think the other side "stole" an election. If you REALLY want to fix what's wrong it's not difficult. We need to go back to secure elections...where people vote in person with a valid ID or they vote with an absentee ballot that they've requested be mailed to a valid address. If you want "mail out" ballots because you think they give your side an advantage in elections...then you deserve it when mobs coming knocking at your door! Just saying...
I am not at all a Trump supporter, but I agree that whole Russian collusion story was totally fake.
Yes, flu vaccines work. No we did not have polio herd immunity before the Salk and Sabin vaccinesIf everyone had a flu vaccine, spreading would automatically be irrelevant. That's why vaccines are so important. Are you okay? You know, common sense okay?Most people get a flu shot to keep it from spiking. People who don't are unprotected. Many viruses never go away. HIV is still here.It's not 300,000. Get a fucking clue; This Is How Many People Die From the Flu Each YearOut of all the lying, ignorant posts I have read on here, yours is at the top of the list.The lockdown was a result of Trump's denial and lies over covid. Had he gone a different way, people would have been more prepared. They weren't and they died.Our economy declined because blue state governors put 4he country on lockdown, putting 370,000 small businesses OUT of business, putting MILLIONS on the unemployment lines. UNTIL Trump was illegally removed from office. Now all of a sudden, blue state governors and mayors want business back up and runningOur economy declined because of Trumps failures to address covid
Actually presidents have ZERO authority or jurisdiction over health care matter.
And ACTUALLY, although I dislike Trump, he was right about covid-19.
Fauci first claimed it had a lethality of 10%, then 1.8%, and later we found out it was 0.15% only. which put is about the same as seasonal flu.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve".
That has never ever ended any epidemic, and fact it prevents the early spike, which is what normally end all epidemics.
So Fauci forced the epidemic to keep going, not stop, and last forever.
Which is why to many died.
If instead we had let it spike in March, then herd immunity would have ended the epidemic in March, saving 260,000 lives.
Trump had intel going all the way back to January 2020 and called it the new Democrat hoax, comparing it to the Russia hoax. That's fact number one. Fact number two, he had an interview with Bob Woodward telling Bob that the Coronavirus was five times worse than the flu. And he never told us until the audio came out.
Now, here's where your post really gets into some stupid territory. OMG! I can't believe I read that.
So then why did 300,000 die?
It as because Fauci goofed and tried to "flatten the curve". You fucking idiot. Do you realize how stupid that is? In your previous sentence you said it was "about the same as the seasonal flu." "It's because Fauci goofed and tried to flatten the curve, that has never ended a pandemic. "Which is why too many died". You idiot, you just admitted it wasn't like the flu, and on top of that, Trump said it was five times worse than the flu.
You have proven you can't do simple math.
Seasonal flu kills about 30,000 people a month.
If you prevent it from ending, and make it last 10 months, that is 10 times 30,000.
Guess what?
That is 300,000.
Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu. The higher number reflects the particularly harsh 2017-2018 flu season. Most years, the US death toll from the flu is closer to 34,000 to 43,000. Globally, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimates that the flu kills 290,000 to 650,000 people per year.
That is very ignorant because if you wear masks and social distance to "flatten the curve" with flu as well, you can prevent the spike and force to stick around FOREVER.
The reason we do not normally have annual flu for more than a month is that herd immunity kills it off after it spikes. If you prevent the spike by flattening the curve, then it will NOT go away. It will stay FOREVER!
Wrong.
Flu can live in humans.
It is endemic to humans.
We can never get rid of it.
No vaccine is very effective.
Most people do not get a flu vaccine, and the ones who do can still spread it.
But covid-19 is zoonotic, and can only live permanently in bats.
It can not live in humans.
It is not endemic to humans.
But if we keep "flattening the curve", and keep covid-19 around long enough, then we will breed a variant strain that can live in humans.
It is a matter of time.
So we can not afford to keep "flattening the curve".
We have to end it and get rid of it QUICKLY.
No one has an effective flu vaccine.
It changes too quickly.
Vaccines are great, but always too late to end an epidemic in progress.
Look at the 1948 Polio epidemic.
We did not get access to the Salk vaccine until 1957, way too late and it was already over by herd immunity by then.
Vaccines prevent future epidemics, not end existing ones.
