There is a difference

[IM2]

Both sies have

If a person kills a member of the group for being a member of the group, who is responsible for the act of killing? The group? Or the killer?

Both sides have been doing the killing. And in this situation things are a little more complex than the question you want answered. And that's the answer I am going to continue giving because the OP is about comparing the fact that Jews fought for the nazis and how that is neve bought up when Jews mention the holocaust while when we bring up 245 yeas of slavery, 100 years of Jim Crow and 60 years of covert white racism, we get told how Africans sold other Africans and some of the people doing that are Jews.

 

[IM2]

Oh gee...are you a 'Christian' to put a Christian spin on this?

Just because you're black doesn't make you a Christian.

As far as the so called 'Palestinians' are concerned, Israel being there at all is illegal and an expanded settlement.

Killing 50 to 60,000 Palestinians, doesn't matter. Takes a whole lot of them to make a dozen.

Israel must constantly expand for its own defense. And the land it has been promised by God involves much more than they have already. And, if you're a Christian, I'm sure you can appreciate that.

Quantrill

Being black doesn't make me a Chistian, but following Gods laws does.

That land was not given to them by God. It was given to them by the Balfour Declaration. Brtain originally wanted to put the Jews in Kenya.

Kenya was supposed to become the Zionist homeland. How would that have worked out?​

A little more than four decades before they transformed Mandatory Palestine into the modern state of Israel, the leaders of the Zionist Movement, invited by Joseph Chamberlain, then British Colonial Secretary, turned their eyes to East Africa as a potential settlement for the world’s persecuted Jews.

Known as the Uganda Scheme, the initiative would have seen the relocation of hundreds of thousands of primarily eastern European Jews into what is now central-western Kenya; at the time, this region was part of the Uganda Protectorate, hence the name of the scheme. The sixth Zionist Congress, which was held in 1903 in Basel, Switzerland, dispatched a three-man commission to survey the land and report on its suitability for the venture.

According to a report from the meeting, published in a Jewish magazine of the time, the British offer was for the Zionists to set up “an autonomous Jewish settlement in East Africa, with Jewish administration, Jewish local government, with a Jewish governor at its head […] under British suzerain control.”

East Africa was not the first territory to which the Zionists, and their enablers, had turned their eyes in their quest to find a modern homeland for Jews. Nor was it the last. But it was the one that, outside of Palestine itself, was taken with a significant level of seriousness. It became particularly urgent following a deadly pogrom in Kishinev (modern Chisinau, Moldova) in April 1903.

Obviously, the initiative didn’t succeed. Its failure has been attributed, variously, to opposition by the then emergent white-settler community in Kenya, a malaise of indecision within the Colonial Office regarding how to administer the nascent East Africa Protectorate and, perhaps most importantly, the reticence of the Zionist leaders themselves.

Having long set their eyes on Palestine and its neighbourhood as the rightful place for a Jewish national homeland, the Zionists, at their seventh Congress, in Basel in August 1905, seized on the negative aspects of the fact-finding commission’s reports and rejected the British offer. Theodor Herzl, the founder of the Zionist movement and main proponent of the Uganda Scheme, had died the year before.

The Zionists would eventually set up a Jewish national homeland in Palestine, but that was still two world wars and a Holocaust away. And when it finally came into being, its history proved, alas, to be one of near constant conflict with its neighbours and, especially, with the Palestinian Arabs who initially made up the territory’s majority population.

Kenya was supposed to become the Zionist homeland. How would that have worked out?

In one of the great 'what-ifs' of history the founder of the Zionist movement, Theodor Herzl, proposed in 1903 that Jews settle in modern-day Kenya to create a safe haven for themselves.

www.mercatornet.com

 

[USAF 2023]

Both sies have

Both sides have been doing the killing. And in this situation things are a little more complex than the question you want answered. And that's the answer I am going to continue giving because the OP is about comparing the fact that Jews fought for the nazis and how that is neve bought up when Jews mention the holocaust while when we bring up 245 yeas of slavery, 100 years of Jim Crow and 60 years of covert white racism, we get told how Africans sold other Africans and some of the people doing that are Jews.

Thank you again for your stupidity and bigotry; Right out the Farrakhan handbook When Slavery started Jews weren’t even in the US Before the Civil War there were roughly 25,000 Jews and 5.5 Million Christians

Both sies have

Both sides have been doing the killing. And in this situation things are a little more complex than the question you want answered. And that's the answer I am going to continue giving because the OP is about comparing the fact that Jews fought for the nazis and how that is neve bought up when Jews mention the holocaust while when we bring up 245 yeas of slavery, 100 years of Jim Crow and 60 years of covert white racism, we get told how Africans sold other Africans and some of the people doing that are Jews.

Thank you for your ignorance, stupidity and racism .When Slavery started there weren’t any Jews in the US Right out of the Farrakhan handbook Before the Civil War there were approximately 25,000 Jews in the South and 5.5 Million Christians Look at your own and blame them instead of blaming the Jews

 

[Shusha]

Both sides have been doing the killing. And in this situation things are a little more complex than the question you want answered. And that's the answer I am going to continue giving because the OP is about comparing the fact that Jews fought for the nazis and how that is neve bought up when Jews mention the holocaust ...

Let me see if I understand you. You are having discussions with Jews and you bring up the first Holocaust while referencing the feared upcoming second Holocaust, while making Jews responsible for their own extermination and you are wondering why Jews are upset by this?

You are going to keep giving the answer you are giving because you want to make Jews responsible for their own extermination and not hold those actually responsible, accountable.

 

[Shusha]

Having long set their eyes on Palestine Israel, Judea, and Samaria and its neighbourhood as the rightful place for a Jewish national homeland....

Might it be because that is the Jewish national homeland?

 

[Quantrill]

Being black doesn't make me a Chistian, but following Gods laws does.

That land was not given to them by God. It was given to them by the Balfour Declaration. Brtain originally wanted to put the Jews in Kenya.

Kenya was supposed to become the Zionist homeland. How would that have worked out?​

It wouldn't have worked because Kenya is not the land promised.

(Gen. 12:1) "Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee."

(Gen. 13:12) "Abraham dwelled in the land of Canaan..."

(Gen. 13:15) "For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed forever."

(Deut. 12:5) "But unto the place which the LORD your God shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come."

(2 Sam. 24:18) "And Gad came that day to David, and said unto him, Go up, rear an altar unto the LORD in the threshingfloor of Araunah the Jebusite."

(2 Chron. 3:1) "Then Solomon began to build the house of the LORD at Jerusalem in Mount Moriah, where the LORD appeared unto David his father, in the place that David had prepared in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite."

The Balfour Declaration was just God's providential hand in getting the Jews back to the land. Just like it was God's providential hand in not establishing Israel in Kenya.

That land of Palestine is God's land and He gives it to whomever He chooses. And He chose the people of Israel. His place to be worshipped by Israel is in Jerusalem, specifically at the Temple Mount. That has never changed, and will never change.

Quantrill

 

[SaxonJackson]

Between actual individuals practicing the Jewish faith and others who say they do. This guy has some interesting things to say about Israel. And he is Jewish.

Here are some Jews who oppose the actions of Netanyahu and the Zionists. Not all Jews are Zionists.

Dave Smith:


Glenn Greenwald


Bret Weinstein

 

[Churchill]

Between actual individuals practicing the Jewish faith and others who say they do. This guy has some interesting things to say about Israel. And he is Jewish.

That's an excellent post. What's sad is that a lot of what he says is almost obvious, but seldom said or heard in the mainstream.

 

[Churchill]

The black man above has decided he can determine who is Jewish or who is not, and he says:

His skin color is irrelevant.

If you support Isrsel, you ain’t Jewish!

No, I do not see those words in either IM2's post or the X post by Aaron Regunberg, perhaps you can explain this mistake?

(And then he has the nerve to tell whites we cannot make any comments about blacks because we have not lived the black experience,

He cited a Jew, what's wrong with a Black person citing the writing of a Jewish person?

 

[Churchill]

Might it be because that is the Jewish national homeland?

There's a difference between Jewish homeland and Jewish state, let Albert Einstein explain:

 

[USAF 2023]

There's a difference between Jewish homeland and Jewish state, let Albert Einstein explain:
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The above sounds very nice except for one problem; Starting from the beginning of the Century especially during the 1920’s it started to get a lot worse there were riots, killings, etc brought on by the Arabs

 

[Churchill]

The above sounds very nice except for one problem; Starting from the beginning of the Century especially during the 1920’s it started to get a lot worse there were riots, killings, etc brought on by the Arabs

This is true, but by that time several things had happened. The British has solicited Jewish money to help fight WW1 and in return promised to help create a Jewish governed state in the middle of occupied Arab majority territory.

That was all taking place at the same time that the British betrayed the Arabs and reneged on the McMahon-Hussein correspondence (to all intents and purposes a treaty) while also enacting the Sykes-Picot agreement that created Iraq, Lebanon etc.

All of these led to rising hostility towards the British and Zionism. The Arabs who had bravely fought alongside the British to eject the Ottoman Turks were betrayed and that was the seed that has grown into the insanity we see today.

 

[USAF 2023]

This is true, but by that time several things had happened. The British has solicited Jewish money to help fight WW1 and in return promised to help create a Jewish governed state in the middle of occupied Arab majority territory.

That was all taking place at the same time that the British betrayed the Arabs and reneged on the McMahon-Hussein correspondence (to all intents and purposes a treaty) while also enacting the Sykes-Picot agreement that created Iraq, Lebanon etc.

All of these led to rising hostility towards the British and Zionism. The Arabs who had bravely fought alongside the British to eject the Ottoman Turks were betrayed and that was the seed that has grown into the insanity we see today.

There was trouble for centuries before that which included Dhimmi and Subjugation

 

[Unkotare]

There is a difference between a racist douche constantly whining online about racism and actually getting off your ass and doing something to help people.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

This will make you feel so proud of your nation of Israel.

I was just thinking about her the other day.

 

[Churchill]

There was trouble for centuries before that which included Dhimmi and Subjugation

Yes, under the Turks who invaded four centuries before, whom the Arabs expelled from the region along with the British in 1917. These restrictions applied to non-Muslims in general too.

Also Jews were treated far better under a succession of Muslim dynasties than they were under the Crusader Kingdom, under Christian rule they were slaughtered and expelled, many non-Catholic Christians were expelled too.

Given all that history it is quite disgusting that Arabs/Muslims are accused of hatred toward Jews, that is a narrative designed to justify Israeli brutality nothing more.

Imagine if the French after aiding the revolutionaries in the US against the British, decided to carve out some nice area of US territory on the East Coast to create a new independent state to be governed by some minority, say a Nationalist Catholic Portuguese group.

With a Catholic Portuguese centric government and that government then began a process of forcing non-Portuguese out of that region while ramping up selective immigration of only other Portuguese and treating any who remained as second class citizens - just think about that.

 

[westwall]

You are one of those anti-semites. Those with balls oppose what Israel is doing. Because those with balls know we are the ones who created the trouble years ago.

Romans 9:6
It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.

You are in no position to determine who may speak for whom.

As you are so fond of saying.....STFU.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

You understand that the goal of the war was not to achieve "justice", yes? The goal of the war was (is) to remove the threat to Israeli civilians.

I'm not sure which war you're referring but EVERYTHING that has happened subsequently has been about retribution - not defense, not justice, not making things safer. Just retribution.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Frame the question in a manner he can understand:

If a white kills an innocent black for the sole reason that he is black, who is responsible for the murder? The killer? Or blacks?

Why would you ask "or Blacks" if the perpetrator is a racist white person (which you defined when you claimed he did the killing solely because his victim is Black)?

 

[USAF 2023]

Yes, under the Turks who invaded four centuries before, whom the Arabs expelled from the region along with the British in 1917. These restrictions applied to non-Muslims in general too.

Also Jews were treated far better under a succession of Muslim dynasties than they were under the Crusader Kingdom, under Christian rule they were slaughtered and expelled, many non-Catholic Christians were expelled too.

Given all that history it is quite disgusting that Arabs/Muslims are accused of hatred toward Jews, that is a narrative designed to justify Israeli brutality nothing more.

Imagine if the French after aiding the revolutionaries in the US against the British, decided to carve out some nice area of US territory on the East Coast to create a new independent state to be governed by some minority, say a Nationalist Catholic Portuguese group.

With a Catholic Portuguese centric government and that government then began a process of forcing non-Portuguese out of that region while ramping up selective immigration of only other Portuguese and treating any who remained as second class citizens - just think about that.

I was referring to starting at least 1000 years before They were never considered equal