There are two great evils: Freedom and Suppression of Freedom.

[Man of Ethics]

A new phrase I came up with recently: There are two great evils: Freedom and Suppression of Freedom.

Every type of Freedom: Speech, Economic Freedom, etc. brings severe negative consequences to Society. Suppression of Freedom also brings negative consequences to Society.

In case of Speech, Suppression of Freedom seems to be the Greater Evil.
In case of Guns, Freedom seems to be the Greater Evil.

 

[itfitzme]

That's a balance starting point.

Again, it's a measure of risk, risk being the severity of the consequence times the probability of the consequence. In economic terms, Risk = Cost x Expectation. In business, and insurance, were $ serve as a gross measure of cost, risk is a common concept.

Absolute freedom has never existed, relative to others, except in the cases of kings or simply living alone. As soon as there is more than one person,then it doesn't exist except for the monarch. Philosophy has written about this since time honored.

But I'm tired right now so lost my freedom to stay awake.

 

[MarathonMike]

You are ignoring mental illness and drug culture as major contributors to "gun deaths". The guns are inanimate, non-thinking devices. Guns are are not evil. Ownership of them is not evil.

 

[LuckyDuck]

A new phrase I came up with recently: There are two great evils: Freedom and Suppression of Freedom.

Every type of Freedom: Speech, Economic Freedom, etc. brings severe negative consequences to Society. Suppression of Freedom also brings negative consequences to Society.

In case of Speech, Suppression of Freedom seems to be the Greater Evil.
In case of Guns, Freedom seems to be the Greater Evil.

And the tens of millions of law-abiding gun owners that aren't a danger to anyone? Their freedoms?

 

[M14 Shooter]

In case of Guns, Freedom seems to be the Greater Evil.

423,000,000 guns in the US.
~10,500 gun-related murders in the US - 1 gun in 40,000
~24,500 gun-relates suicides in the US - 1 gun in 17,000
~ 100,000 defensive gun uses per year -- 9.5x more often than murder and 4x more often than suicide
Thus:
You have no rational basis whatsoever for your claim

 

[Man of Ethics]

You are ignoring mental illness and drug culture as major contributors to "gun deaths". The guns are inanimate, non-thinking devices. Guns are are not evil. Ownership of them is not evil.

The same could be said about strong drugs, yet they are illegal.

 

[Man of Ethics]

And the tens of millions of law-abiding gun owners that aren't a danger to anyone? Their freedoms?

Many are danger to themselves. Most suicide attempts without guns fail.

 

[Man of Ethics]

423,000,000 guns in the US.
~10,500 gun-related murders in the US - 1 gun in 40,000
~24,500 gun-relates suicides in the US - 1 gun in 17,000
~ 100,000 defensive gun uses per year -- 9.5x more often than murder and 4x more often than suicide
Thus:
You have no rational basis whatsoever for your claim

Most defensive gun users prevent something like simple assault -- not a major crime.

 

[John T. Ford]

A new phrase I came up with recently: There are two great evils: Freedom and Suppression of Freedom.

Every type of Freedom: Speech, Economic Freedom, etc. brings severe negative consequences to Society. Suppression of Freedom also brings negative consequences to Society.

In case of Speech, Suppression of Freedom seems to be the Greater Evil.
In case of Guns, Freedom seems to be the Greater Evil.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Most defensive gun users prevent something like simple assault -- not a major crime.

OOooh... defensive gun uses don't count unless they stop a serious crime.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Prove your claim to be true, and then demonstrate that only "serious" crimes matter.

You have no rational basis whatsoever for your claim

 

[M14 Shooter]

Most suicide attempts without guns fail.

You cannot demonstrate this to be true.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The same could be said about strong drugs, yet they are illegal.

And we see how well - that - works.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

In case of Guns, Freedom seems to be the Greater Evil.

The problem is, what would be the ‘remedy’ to this ‘greater evil.’

Certainly ‘bans’ and more restrictions aren’t the answer.

Indeed, such ‘remedies’ would likely be un-Constitutional.

 

[progressive hunter]

A new phrase I came up with recently: There are two great evils: Freedom and Suppression of Freedom.

Every type of Freedom: Speech, Economic Freedom, etc. brings severe negative consequences to Society. Suppression of Freedom also brings negative consequences to Society.

In case of Speech, Suppression of Freedom seems to be the Greater Evil.
In case of Guns, Freedom seems to be the Greater Evil.

to date a gun has never killed a single person,,

and I will take freedom over anything,,,

 

[Adrenochrome Junkie]

A new phrase I came up with recently: There are two great evils: Freedom and Suppression of Freedom.

Every type of Freedom: Speech, Economic Freedom, etc. brings severe negative consequences to Society. Suppression of Freedom also brings negative consequences to Society.

In case of Speech, Suppression of Freedom seems to be the Greater Evil.
In case of Guns, Freedom seems to be the Greater Evil.

So you’re blaming guns for suicide. I guess we should ban high rises, bridges, and car exhaust as well

 

[Man of Ethics]

So you’re blaming guns for suicide. I guess we should ban high rises, bridges, and car exhaust as well

No -- just dangerous weapons and drugs.

 

[Man of Ethics]

to date a gun has never killed a single person,,

and I will take freedom over anything,,,

Fentanyl by itself has not killed anyone. Most narcotics are banned.

 

[Man of Ethics]

The problem is, what would be the ‘remedy’ to this ‘greater evil.’

Certainly ‘bans’ and more restrictions aren’t the answer.

Indeed, such ‘remedies’ would likely be un-Constitutional.

Sad but true -- US Constitution has major flaws.

 

[progressive hunter]

Fentanyl by itself has not killed anyone. Most narcotics are banned.

and they shouldnt be,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Sad but true -- US Constitution has major flaws.

what would you consider a flaw??