There are two great evils: Freedom and Suppression of Freedom.

[Man of Ethics]

You mean the people who are dead because they want to be?

No one has a right to commit murder or suicide.

As a Jew I do not believe that Punishment is eternal, but they will suffer for centuries.

 

[WinterBorn]

Most defensive gun users prevent something like simple assault -- not a major crime.

Whether assault is a major crime depends on whether or not you are the one being assaulted.

 

[WinterBorn]

No one has a right to commit murder or suicide.

As a Jew I do not believe that Punishment is eternal, but they will suffer for centuries.

I do not believe in allowing a criminal to murder an innocent person.

 

[M14 Shooter]

No one has a right to commit murder or suicide.

This does not in any way change the fact that -everyone- who killed himself with a gun is dead because he wants to be.

 

[Man of Ethics]

I do not believe in allowing a criminal to murder an innocent person.

Guns are much more likely to be used in criminal homicide then in justifiable homicide.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Whether assault is a major crime depends on whether or not you are the one being assaulted.

Most assaults that happen are of misdemeanor level.

 

[progressive hunter]

Guns are much more likely to be used in criminal homicide then in justifiable homicide.

and they are far more likely to stop criminal homicide,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Most assaults that happen are of misdemeanor level.

so??
doesnt mean you cant protect yourself from it,,

 

[WinterBorn]

Guns are much more likely to be used in criminal homicide then in justifiable homicide.

That is comparing the number of times a criminal kills with it versus the number of times a legal gun owner kills with a gun.

A gun is much, much more likely to be used to stop a crime than to kill someone.

And our guns are secured unless we need them. And we will not hesitate to use them if needed.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Guns are much more likely to be used in criminal homicide then in justifiable homicide.

A meaningless metric, as you know, because the defensive use of a firearm does not necessitate a discharge of said firearm.
Why do you repeat something you know to be irrelevant?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Most assaults that happen are of misdemeanor level.

You cannot demonstrate this to be true.

 

[Man of Ethics]

You cannot demonstrate this to be true.

A big majority of assault convictions are misdemeanors.

 

[WinterBorn]

Most assaults that happen are of misdemeanor level.

How does one tell, while allowing ones self to be assaulted, whether it will be a misdemeanor or something worse? You are suggesting that we allow it and hope for the mercy of a violent criminal?

I think not.

 

[M14 Shooter]

A big majority of assault convictions are misdemeanors.

Repeating yourself does not change the fact you cannot demonstrate this to be true.

 

[WinterBorn]

A big majority of assault convictions are misdemeanors.

So a majority of assault cases that are solved and taken to court are misdemeanors.

 

[Man of Ethics]

How does one tell, while allowing ones self to be assaulted, whether it will be a misdemeanor or something worse? You are suggesting that we allow it and hope for the mercy of a violent criminal?

I think not.

Escalating violence with a gun is hardly going to help.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Repeating yourself does not change the fact you cannot demonstrate this to be true.

I apologize for not having statistics at hand. My fault.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Escalating violence with a gun is hardly going to help.

Responding to violence already visited upon you is not an escalation.
Why do you hate the fact people defend themselves with firearms FAR more often that people are killed with firearms?

 

[M14 Shooter]

I apologize for not having statistics at hand. My fault.

If that's how you want to explain away a claim you know you cannot prove to be true - I then accept your concession of the point.

 

[Man of Ethics]

Responding to violence already visited upon you is not an escalation.
Why do you hate the fact people defend themselves with firearms FAR more often that people are killed with firearms?

I do not find comparison between fending off a simple assault and things like murder and suicide valid.