There ARE honest people on the Left.

[DudleySmith]

And did I mention perverts who want to corrupt small children?

This is a major agenda for the vermin, if not Number One it's very close to Number Two.

 

[Laslow]

I know on the right, people are disappointed with our leaders, but it seems on the left, the base is fairly onboard with anything to win. Political targets by government agencies seems ok to their base. Censorship seems to broadly accepted as well. Am I wrong? Is this fringe or has the base moved that far? On the left, where do you draw the line on government power? The forced vaccines were chilling. All the people saying the world will end every ten years are going to push it as far as they can. The idea of the government controlling all banking through digital currency is scary as hell. Is there anything you will not allow the government to do to you in the name of the common good, or the environment? It seems the party of the little people are giving the elites absolute power.

 

[mamooth]

^^^ Typical example of a faggot commie and their sociopathic ranting.

Cool, I triggered a Nazi. That makes me the good guy, and means I'll get a nicer cloud in heaven.

The really scary part is how we know that every Republican accusation is a confession, and that so many Republicans are now raging about imaginary leftist pedophiles. The projection is beyond obvious.

 

[mamooth]

I know on the right, people are disappointed with our leaders, but it seems on the left, the base is fairly onboard with anything to win. Political targets by government agencies seems ok to their base.

No, that's not happening, except by the right.

Censorship seems to broadly accepted as well.

And that's not happening. Again, except by the right. Stop projecting so hard.

Am I wrong? Is this fringe or has the base moved that far? On the left, where do you draw the line on government power? The forced vaccines were chilling.

And that never happened.

Given the many years of practice your cult has at lying, you all have no excuse for sucking at it so badly. Unless your goal is just to have excuses for more right-wing brownshirt violence.

 

[mamooth]

You sound either like a rightwinger pretending to be a completely uninformed Leftist,

What a coincidence, you sound like a paid shill for fascism. Sure, you've got the talking points down, but you're helpless if you have to go off-script.

Let's get concrete: did, or did not, an AntiFa supporter shoot dead, in cold blood, Aaron Danielson in Portland?

Move those goalposts! I mean, now it's 'antifa' supporter instead of 'antifa'.

Did, or did not, the AntiFa members there laugh and cheer when they heard about it?
Did, or did not, certain professors post their approval of the murder?

Not that I know of.

Come on, you can do better than "well, some random person that I identify as a liberal did this bad thing, so all liberals support it."

Oh wait, you actually can't. It's all you have.

Did, or did not, students at Cornell, and Stanford, recently disrupt meetings where there were conservative speakers, preventing them from going on? (These are just the most recent examples, at major colleges).

Badly behaved college students? That's all you've got? Desperate doesn't even begin to describe it. The right is engaged in a national campaign to burn books and jail people for thought crimes, and you're deflecting by pointing figures at some shouty college students.

As for the media being run by conservatives

Remember, you can only gaslight other cultists. The rest of us observe reality, so we know how conservatives the media is.

You sound like some sort of socialist.

You sound like you're just desperately flinging insults now.

You might like to take a look at this book, by a leftwing socialist who knows what's happening:

I agree. The left runs on issues, the right runs entirely on identity politics, and that's bad. And you support the side that embraces identity politics.

 

[DudleySmith]

Cool, I triggered a Nazi. That makes me the good guy, and means I'll get a nicer cloud in heaven.

The really scary part is how we know that every Republican accusation is a confession, and that so many Republicans are now raging about imaginary leftist pedophiles. The projection is beyond obvious.

Ah, typical faggot comeback, fake pop psychology, is also a clear evidence of deranged fetishism. Thanks for giving us more examples of your dementia and total reliance on peer approval and parroting.

 

[DudleySmith]

The central, overriding issue of the Civil War was slavery. If the South refused to give it up, there would have been a Civil War anyway, even if they hadn't tried to separate. They would have had to have been forced to give it up.

lol rubbish. Even Lincoln himself said it wasn't about slavery. All he wanted was to tax the South to pay for corporate welfare programs in northern states, period. You just wish it was a bout slavery, so you can preen around and pretend to have some faux moral authority that no one is supposed to question when you spout utter bullshit.

 

[saveliberty]

Oh you see one from time to time. Usually when they which to Independent or Republican.

 

[leftwinger]

You're right, and I've admired Naomi for many years now, an honest and intelligent woman with the courage to admit she was fooled. That makes her very rare.

That said, recall that another honest, brave and intelligent woman named Tulsi Gabbard was forced by her conscience to resign from the Democrat Party.

Even with RFK running, the future does not look bright for the woke and criminal Democrat Party.

Tulsi Gabbard? Not too smart. Her webpage was littered with Global Warming BS. I wrote the loon off about three years ago. She is a fruitcake.

 

[pknopp]

The GOVT is the one who opened the border to 10 million more recently! Now you want them to punish them if they find a job?

No, I want the government to hammer those who break our laws and hire them. Just like I have argued for years.

Coming here illegally is a misdemeanor. Hiring an illegal is a felony.

Do you realize what you are asking? You are asking US to feed, house, medicate, clothe, educate ALL of them until Obiden can puppymill them thru some rigged courtroom? give them a work permit?

If a permit makes them working legally, OK.

 

[leftwinger]

No, I want the government to hammer those who break our laws and hire them. Just like I have argued for years.

Coming here illegally is a misdemeanor. Hiring an illegal is a felony.




If a permit makes them working legally, OK.

I already realized what you meant and deleted that post.

So GOVT surrounds a meat-processing plant with 800 wetbacks......then you tell the owner, ignore those persons in your parking lot. Use the Blacks or Trailer trash who won't show up. While I understand and somewhat agree........it just seems a bit odd?

Those who cause the problem want to punish those taking advantage of opportunity provided by GOVT? Repeat: GOVT is letting them pour in at 200K/mo that they are aware of. Maybe 100K get-aways. Yet to put them to work is wrong? If they were not here?..... note: Medium size cities are 50K - 100K persons total. Thats' a lot of Tortilla.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Apparently?





Not anymore.

transgender violence is getting bad
they are even shooting teachers and children

 

[pknopp]

I already realized what you meant and deleted that post.

So GOVT surrounds a meat-processing plant with 800 wetbacks......then you tell the owner, ignore those persons in your parking lot. Use the Blacks or Trailer trash who won't show up. While I understand and somewhat agree........it just seems a bit odd?

Those who cause the problem want to punish those taking advantage of opportunity provided by GOVT? Repeat: GOVT is letting them pour in at 200K/mo that they are aware of. Maybe 100K get-aways. Yet to put them to work is wrong? If they were not here?..... note: Medium size cities are 50K - 100K persons total. Thats' a lot of Tortilla.

If the jobs aren't there, they don't come. Nothing the government can do as long as the jobs are here.

 

[leftwinger]

If the jobs aren't there, they don't come. Nothing the government can do as long as the jobs are here.

Uh....beg to differ. If the FREEBIES were not handed out, then they don't come. Housing, food, medical and CASH card is what is bringing them under Obiden 2.0.

 

[pknopp]

Uh....beg to differ. If the FREEBIES were not handed out, then they don't come. Housing, food, medical and CASH card is what is bringing them under Obiden 2.0.

Doesn't apply to illegals. A small amount applies to minors but nowhere near enough to live on. A person can not live here illegally without a job or a person with a job supporting them.

But you will excuse the employers endlessly. They have a free pass to break our laws. With that being the case, I hold everyone to the same standard.

 

[MisterBeale]

transgender violence is getting bad
they are even shooting teachers and children

One person is not a "they," anymore then, when one mass shooter from the right, is a "they";

2022 Buffalo shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Or a protest;

January 6 United States Capitol attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

. . . takes on, and means, "right-wing terrorism."

No, seriously, that is how the mass media and the wiki want folks to believe this garbage, and it isn't helpful to the national discourse AT ALL.

List of right-wing terrorist attacks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

One person is not a "they," anymore then, when one mass shooter from the right, is a "they";

2022 Buffalo shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Or a protest;

January 6 United States Capitol attack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

. . . takes on, and means, "right-wing terrorism."

No, seriously, that is how the mass media and the wiki want folks to believe this garbage, and it isn't helpful to the national discourse AT ALL.

List of right-wing terrorist attacks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

...I was just being a smart aleck
sarcasm doesn't always translate well in the printed form

 

[Doug1943]

lol rubbish. Even Lincoln himself said it wasn't about slavery. All he wanted was to tax the South to pay for corporate welfare programs in northern states, period. You just wish it was a bout slavery, so you can preen around and pretend to have some faux moral authority that no one is supposed to question when you spout utter bullshit.

Ha ha ha!!!! This is such a ridiculous statement that I almost don't feel like wasting my time refuting it. You probably believe Hitler loved the Jews, as well. Well, at least this silly attempt to pretend that the Civil War was not about slavery, shows that you (I hope) think slavery was a bad thing.

After the South was defeated, and the evils of slavery became commonplace, apologists for the slavocracy began to try to pretend that Southern secession was all about true federalism, vs wicked centralization. The Vice President of the Confederacy, Alexander Stephens, later made a big deal about this. But that was later. At the time, he openly acknowledged what everyone knew, that the South wanted to secede because it feared remaining in the Union would eventually lead to the end of slavery (and they were right): Here's a conservative historian's assesment of Stephens

In 1861, in his famous “Cornerstone Address,” Stephens declared slavery to be the foundation of the new Confederacy. There is not a word about the limits of federal power in Stephens’s speech. He zealously maintained domination over the black race to be the new cornerstone of all future civilization. Rather than Stephens’s being sincere in his convictions, it seems more likely that the Confederacy’s defeat and the passage of the Civil War amendments forced him and other Lost Cause apologists to change their tune. Rather than proclaiming white supremacy to be the enduring truth of the human condition, they turned to arguments about federal overreach to justify secession.
[ Whistling Dixie - Claremont Review of Books ]

I'll let Lincoln speak for himself, in his wonderful Second Inaugural speech:
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Fellow-Countrymen:


At this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of this great conflict which is of primary concern to the nation as a whole, little that is new could be presented.

The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself, and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured.


On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish. And the war came.


One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it.

Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other.

It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh."

If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away.

Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."


With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations
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Of course, Lincoln was a smart man. There were several good reasons for not his saying, "The war is about ending slavery!" He wanted to actually end it, not just to posture about it. He knew that, if slavery were restricted to the South, that as time passed and more and more free states were added to the Union, the South would lose its great power in Congress. And he wanted to keep the border states from joining the rebels. And he wanted to divide the enemy camp, if possible. And he knew that slavery was on the way out all over the world, and perhaps the slave-owners would see reason and let themselves be bought out, as their British counterparts did.

All good lessons in smart tactics which patriots today could learn from.

 

[leftwinger]

Doesn't apply to illegals. A small amount applies to minors but nowhere near enough to live on. A person can not live here illegally without a job or a person with a job supporting them.

But you will excuse the employers endlessly. They have a free pass to break our laws. With that being the case, I hold everyone to the same standard.

PURE Hogwash. They are stacked up in $400/night hotel rooms from Scottsdale to NYC. In fact the MEN were refusing to move out of the NYC hotel rooms to make room for more Moms & Kids. They are given clothes, shoes and cash cards before travel to the Airport.

They have meals cooked for them at the Hotels. many did not like it "too Americanized". Workers claim they throw so much away every meal. Do you think they just go turn them loose in Manhattan w/o a place to stay or any food or spending money? Are you crazy?

You don't have a clue. You are spouting pure BS. And the sad part is you know its' BS. But you spout over and over.



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New York Mayor Eric Adams is discovering the complications that come with Biden’s broken immigration policy.

Last week, Adams announced a new mega-shelter at the Brooklyn Cruise Terminal to address the growing illegal population in the city. The shelter is slated to hold up to 1,000 single men and becomes the fifth such shelter to open recently opened as Biden’s porous border impacts the entire nation.

The illegals staying at the Watson Hotel in Hell’s Kitchen on the taxpayer dime, however, don’t want to relocate to the mega-shelter.
The New York Post reports:

Dozens of migrants stood their ground outside the Watson Hotel in Hell’s Kitchen on Sunday night and refused to leave for a new shelter at the Brooklyn Cruise Terminal.
Cops had mobilized around the hotel around 10 p.m. as more than 50 migrants were standing outside with activists assisting with food, water and translations.
Single men were supposed to be brought to the new shelter over the weekend that would provide the same services they’ve been receiving, city officials said.
At one point, a city bus arrived and a small number of migrants jumped on, though the vast majority stayed put in front of the hotel on West 57th Street. Activists argued the migrants were being forced out of the hotel.

 

[leftwinger]

Want more? Plenty more from many other cities. But you know it can't be true right?