Zone1 The word Catholic is not in the Bible. Once Saved Always Saved is not there either

[ding]

Why quote my post and then ignore what I asked?

Quantrill

Because you ignore the real presence.

 

[Hafar1014]

Jesus isnt in the bible either so whats the point

 

[Quantrill]

Your post said otherwise.

No it doesn't. Where does it say that?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Because you ignore the real presence.

That's no reason to reply to a post and ignore it, when it has nothing to do with what you call 'real presence'.

But, show me the 'real presence' in Scripture. If it's there I will believe it.

Quantrill

 

[ding]

No it doesn't. Where does it say that?

Quantrill

Here.

The Roman church is not hated because of Him. It is hated because it is opposed to Him.

The members are the Church.

 

[ding]

That's no reason to reply to a post and ignore it, when it has nothing to do with what you call 'real presence'.

But, show me the 'real presence' in Scripture. If it's there I will believe it.

Quantrill

When Jesus handed them the bread and said this is my body. And handed them the wine and said this is my blood.

 

[Quantrill]

Here.


The members are the Church.

It is the doctrine of the Roman Church that is hated. And should be. There are believers in the Roman church, as I have said. And, there are those that are not. Just like with many Protestant churches. Just like there are some Protestant churches that their doctrine should be hated also.

So, pay attention to what is said.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

When Jesus handed them the bread and said this is my body. And handed them the wine and said this is my blood.

Well, His real presence was already sitting there at the table. Just like His real presence today is at the right hand of God.

(Acts 2:33) "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."

Quantrill

 

[ding]

Well, His real presence was already sitting there at the table. Just like His real presence today is at the right hand of God.

(Acts 2:33) "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."

Quantrill

No. He said this bread is my body. Was he lying?

 

[forkintheroad7]

That's no reason to reply to a post and ignore it, when it has nothing to do with what you call 'real presence'.

But, show me the 'real presence' in Scripture. If it's there I will believe it.

Quantrill

Jesus speaks of people who only want to "be in His presence" but not do all the other things He says to do.

The term Real Presence is not in the Bible but that does not mean it is irrelevant and people should ignore it. Protestants ignore it yet I have come to believe that those who do not spend time there (at least an hour a few times a week) will not make it to Heaven... Go ahead and throw your Protestant stones at me. I have spent time There whereas you likely have not, and do not say this lightly. No, you can't get to Heaven JUST by doing that one thing... any more than you can get to Heaven by doing that 1-time protestant thing of accepting Christ into your heart... (if that is all you ever do).

Then there is this about the Real Presence. It is a way for Jesus to "get to know you" intimately. Hence my point of how it is that you can't get to Heaven w/ o doing that. When Jesus rejects those trying to get into Heaven (after He has shut the door), he says

"Depart from me, all you evildoers; I never knew you." (not sure where that is... I think Lk 13:24)

The only way to allow Jesus to know you --or I should say the very Best and Highest way is by spending time with Him in the Real Presence -- often, daily, preferably.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Well, His real presence was already sitting there at the table. Just like His real presence today is at the right hand of God.

(Acts 2:33) "Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear."

Quantrill

Jesus is with His people, suffering with them. He visited Padre Pio (who died in 1968) and told him something like: "Everyone thinks my sufferings ended after the Cross, but I will suffer until the end of the world"

He suffers in those who are persecuted for following Him. He suffers when they suffer.

One way we know this (aside from Jesus's visit to St Pio):

Jesus said: "Whatever you do to the least of my people, you do unto Me."(Mt 25:31-46)

 

[hadit]

No, I haven't condemned anyone. There are plenty of believers in the Roman Church. As there are plenty of non-believers also. But their doctrine is opposed to Christ.

The same can be said today of many Protestant churches.

Unity is always based upon something. Local church membership is not it. Unity is based upon being in Christ which comes from faith and being born again.

Quantrill

Unity in the Body of Christ does not depend on the name over the door of the building where you meet with your local believers. Jesus asked the Father that His would be one, not that they would all belong to one denomination.

 

[ding]

Unity in the Body of Christ does not depend on the name over the door of the building where you meet with your local believers. Jesus asked the Father that His would be one, not that they would all belong to one denomination.

Very true. Additionally, we should be cautious when interfering with God’s plan for others. Being curious is always superior to being judgmental.

 

[Quantrill]

Jesus speaks of people who only want to "be in His presence" but not do all the other things He says to do.

The term Real Presence is not in the Bible but that does not mean it is irrelevant and people should ignore it. Protestants ignore it yet I have come to believe that those who do not spend time there (at least an hour a few times a week) will not make it to Heaven... Go ahead and throw your Protestant stones at me. I have spent time There whereas you likely have not, and do not say this lightly. No, you can't get to Heaven JUST by doing that one thing... any more than you can get to Heaven by doing that 1-time protestant thing of accepting Christ into your heart... (if that is all you ever do).

Then there is this about the Real Presence. It is a way for Jesus to "get to know you" intimately. Hence my point of how it is that you can't get to Heaven w/ o doing that. When Jesus rejects those trying to get into Heaven (after He has shut the door), he says

"Depart from me, all you evildoers; I never knew you." (not sure where that is... I think Lk 13:24)

The only way to allow Jesus to know you --or I should say the very Best and Highest way is by spending time with Him in the Real Presence -- often, daily, preferably.

Of course it is not irrelevant. But Jesus real presence, as I showed at this time, is at the right hand of God.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Jesus is with His people, suffering with them. He visited Padre Pio (who died in 1968) and told him something like: "Everyone thinks my sufferings ended after the Cross, but I will suffer until the end of the world"

He suffers in those who are persecuted for following Him. He suffers when they suffer.

One way we know this (aside from Jesus's visit to St Pio):

Jesus said: "Whatever you do to the least of my people, you do unto Me."(Mt 25:31-46)

Padre Pio's words are not Scripture. Believe them if you want to.

Nothing you say proves any 'real presence' of Jesus. Jesus 'real presence' body, soul, and spirit, is at the right hand of God.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Unity in the Body of Christ does not depend on the name over the door of the building where you meet with your local believers. Jesus asked the Father that His would be one, not that they would all belong to one denomination.

That's right. Thats why the Roman church is not the Body of Christ.

There is only one Body In Christ. That is the supernatural Body of Christ on earth consisting of only born-again believers. Not the Roman Church or the Protestant Church. Only those who have placed faith in Christ and are born-again.

Quantrill

 

[ninja007]

Jesus speaks of people who only want to "be in His presence" but not do all the other things He says to do.

The term Real Presence is not in the Bible but that does not mean it is irrelevant and people should ignore it. Protestants ignore it yet I have come to believe that those who do not spend time there (at least an hour a few times a week) will not make it to Heaven... Go ahead and throw your Protestant stones at me. I have spent time There whereas you likely have not, and do not say this lightly. No, you can't get to Heaven JUST by doing that one thing... any more than you can get to Heaven by doing that 1-time protestant thing of accepting Christ into your heart... (if that is all you ever do).

Then there is this about the Real Presence. It is a way for Jesus to "get to know you" intimately. Hence my point of how it is that you can't get to Heaven w/ o doing that. When Jesus rejects those trying to get into Heaven (after He has shut the door), he says

"Depart from me, all you evildoers; I never knew you." (not sure where that is... I think Lk 13:24)

The only way to allow Jesus to know you --or I should say the very Best and Highest way is by spending time with Him in the Real Presence -- often, daily, preferably.

 

[ninja007]

Acts 16:30-31 New International Version (NIV) He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

 

[Zebra]

Acts 16:30-31 New International Version (NIV) He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”

so because one person believes, the whole household is saved?

 

[hadit]

Jesus speaks of people who only want to "be in His presence" but not do all the other things He says to do.

The term Real Presence is not in the Bible but that does not mean it is irrelevant and people should ignore it. Protestants ignore it yet I have come to believe that those who do not spend time there (at least an hour a few times a week) will not make it to Heaven... Go ahead and throw your Protestant stones at me. I have spent time There whereas you likely have not, and do not say this lightly. No, you can't get to Heaven JUST by doing that one thing... any more than you can get to Heaven by doing that 1-time protestant thing of accepting Christ into your heart... (if that is all you ever do).

Then there is this about the Real Presence. It is a way for Jesus to "get to know you" intimately. Hence my point of how it is that you can't get to Heaven w/ o doing that. When Jesus rejects those trying to get into Heaven (after He has shut the door), he says

"Depart from me, all you evildoers; I never knew you." (not sure where that is... I think Lk 13:24)

The only way to allow Jesus to know you --or I should say the very Best and Highest way is by spending time with Him in the Real Presence -- often, daily, preferably.

You are completely pinning your hope of salvation on something that is not even explicitly stated in Scripture. Better be careful about that.