Zone1 The word Catholic is not in the Bible. Once Saved Always Saved is not there either

[forkintheroad7]

Ironic, considering that a LOT of Catholics choose to accept the pope's interpretation of Scriptures instead of thinking for themselves. Anyone who does not read the Word prayerfully is easily led astray by man.

the pope's interpretation? You don't even know a real pope from a fake one. I wish protestants would stop getting over their skis, pretending knowledge they obviously do not have. Also, you love to insult Catholics and that's why you act like all or most Catholics do.. blah blah blah...

And how do you know they are false? Are you not just taking the word of those with an incentive to proclaim them false? Face reality, the Catholic Church of that day was deeply entwined with the secular power structure and did not tolerate dissent.

wow, the irony here is just too deep... you are (again) so un-self aware.. But boy, you are so aware of Catholics, why, you know the depths of their souls, every single one of them (to hear you tell). You aren't able to prove historical facts you rely on anymore than you claim Catholics can. You people just saying any old thing.

And where did they do that? Was it in places where they were in the minority of the power structure and the Catholic Church in the majority, or was it where they had achieved power themselves? IOW, it wasn't right for either group to murder each other but you really need to stop pretending Catholics did not do it.

Stop the lying. I never said that. See what I mean? Can't stop insulting Catholics .. try to get everyone out there to think we're a bunch of dumbasses who believe falsely at every turn. .. Again, the IRONY.

Then you have paid no attention to the Apostle Paul's writings, where he laid out in clear detail that faith alone saves us and our actions will be the proof of that salvation.

Scripture does not say this. That's another thing Protesters do: make up scriptures, or twist them to fit their pre-accepted man-made beliefs...

IOW, don't expect to stand before God and claim salvation if your life has not been transformed.

Yes, I'm sure you have been to the Judgment Seat and know all about what happens there.

Having an emotional experience isn't salvation, nor is praying the Rosary twice a day or confessing to a priest. Trying to earn your salvation does you no better than trying to swim from California to Hawaii.

you're not the expert on salvation. The Catholic Church is. It was founded by Jesus Christ. You cannot be saved outside the CC. Jesus teaches this in HIS Church, but then you wouldn't know about that, would you? You're busy following the man-made, lying ones with doctrines of demons.

once you are transformed by the Holy Spirit, you actively fight sin, you do not continue in it.

once again, you speak for all protesters just as you speak for all Catholics. You can't see your own pride / arrogance..

I hear God doesn't take too kindly to anyone who would reject those He has forgiven.

How do you know? Oh, that's right, God reveals all truth to you despite you not being in HIS Church... the old arrogance thing..


You are a heretic. If you know or suspect you believe heresy, you will be held accountable for not ditching it.

 

[forkintheroad7]

the pope's interpretation? You don't even know a real pope from a fake one. I wish protestants would stop getting over their skis, pretending knowledge they obviously do not have. Also, you love to insult Catholics and that's why you act like all or most Catholics do.. blah blah blah...

wow, the irony here is just too deep... you are (again) so un-self aware.. But boy, you are so aware of Catholics, why, you know the depths of their souls, every single one of them (to hear you tell). You aren't able to prove historical facts you rely on anymore than you claim Catholics can't. You people just saying any old thing.

Yes, I'm sure you have been to the Judgment Seat and know all about what happens there.

you're not the expert on salvation. The Catholic Church is. It was founded by Jesus Christ. You cannot be saved outside the CC. Jesus teaches this in HIS Church, but then you wouldn't know about that, would you? You're busy following the man-made, lying ones with doctrines of demons.

The above comments were made by me, Forkintheroad7 to Hadit (not myself). I have no idea how the format got screwed up except that maybe moderators are doing this on purpose because they also despise Catholics...
In any case, I say to Hadit and all Protestants:


You are a heretic. If you know or suspect you believe heresy, you will be held accountable for not ditching it.

 

[forkintheroad7]

It's only found in placing your faith in Jesus Christ and allowing Him to make you holy, and yes, that means your life will change.

As I've repeatedly said, faith saves you, and your life will show it. Just trying to do good things won't do you any good at all. You'll be in the crowd that Jesus rejects because He never knew them, even with all the good deeds they protest they did.

- HERESY -

NOT found in any version of the Bible (that I know of), certainly not in the Douay Rheims Bible, most reliable of all which I have read twice (and still read often)

Another thing protesters do: take one or 2 scriptures to support their pre-accepted (false) beliefs and summarily toss out any and all scripture that may disprove their interpretation, totally ignoring that said interpretation may not comply with Christ's..

All through Scripture it says we will be judged by what we DO.

When Jesus rejects people who try to enter Heaven (Luke 13?)

He says to them

"Depart from me, all you evildoers"

EvilDOers

not those who lack faith, which I may add is a SUBJECTIVE word. None of us has faith or trust in all things God may prefer we have faith or trust in... But all can do good works. And they had better do them.

 

[forkintheroad7]

I just realized Hadit was supposed to be on Ignore, so why did I bother answering?

Well, the Word says (paraphrase) to deal with a heretic but if he refuses to give up the heresy, take the matter to another believer and if he refuses to listen to the other believer, take the matter to the Church and if he refuses to listen to the Church, treat him as an unbeliever..

 

[forkintheroad7]

Luther took a scripture on faith and added a word at the end of it.. a HUGE no-no. You don't re-write scripture to fit your preferred beliefs. He is likely burning in Hell right now. The Catholic Church, founded by Christ, has always, always taught that there is no salvation outside of it, therefore it is not hateful or whatever to surmise that Luther is there.. He willfully chose to be outside of the Church..

He took the psg that says something about faith and added the word Alone, so that it read something to the effect that we are saved by faith alone.

Why are protestants following a sinful man who is likely in Hell?!

 

[hadit]

the pope's interpretation? You don't even know a real pope from a fake one. I wish protestants would stop getting over their skis, pretending knowledge they obviously do not have. Also, you love to insult Catholics and that's why you act like all or most Catholics do.. blah blah blah...

Do or do not a lot of Catholics rely on the pope's proclamations to understand Scripture? I find it interesting that you proudly proclaim the Catholic Church to be the only Church yet judge its leadership when they go astray from your beliefs. IOW, the Church is right, whether it's right or wrong.

wow, the irony here is just too deep... you are (again) so un-self aware.. But boy, you are so aware of Catholics, why, you know the depths of their souls, every single one of them (to hear you tell). You aren't able to prove historical facts you rely on anymore than you claim Catholics can. You people just saying any old thing.

Nowhere do I say ALL Catholics do or believe anything. That's a you thing.

Yes, I'm sure you have been to the Judgment Seat and know all about what happens there.

I know what Scripture says about it, and I know that there is a group of people that God will cast out from His presence because they focused only on doing things and not on being in right relationship with Him. You should go back over that and let it inform your conscience.

you're not the expert on salvation. The Catholic Church is. It was founded by Jesus Christ. You cannot be saved outside the CC. Jesus teaches this in HIS Church, but then you wouldn't know about that, would you? You're busy following the man-made, lying ones with doctrines of demons.

Tsk, tsk. Now you are starting to sound like, who was it again? Oh, that's right, the Pharisees who accused Jesus of being demon possessed. When you argue more from church doctrine than from the Word, something has gone wrong. I see in the Word how to be saved from eternal damnation, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the name on the church door. It is the Catholic Church that teaches it is the only way to God, NOT the Word that says JESUS is the only way to God, not a denomination.

Tell me, what are you going to say to God when you realize that you're rubbing elbows with Methodists, Lutherans, Baptists, Mennonites, etc. all praising God and giving Him thanks for bringing them into His presence? Are you going to criticize him and demand a "Catholics only" room just for you?

once again, you speak for all protesters just as you speak for all Catholics. You can't see your own pride / arrogance..

I speak for myself and from the Word.

How do you know? Oh, that's right, God reveals all truth to you despite you not being in HIS Church... the old arrogance thing..

From Scripture itself, not from a denomination's dogma:

If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

There is no mention there of the name on the church door, nor of church tradition or any of those things. If anyone wants wisdom, we can ask of God and He gives it freely, generously. That means He doesn't hide it in a denomination or in a tradition, He gives it to all who ask for it. I know this flies in the face of those who would pretend that their tribe is better than everyone else's tribe, but that's not the way God works.

You are a heretic. If you know or suspect you believe heresy, you will be held accountable for not ditching it.

You accuse me of heresy, NOT against Scripture, but against a denomination's dogma.

 

[hadit]

Luther took a scripture on faith and added a word at the end of it.. a HUGE no-no. You don't re-write scripture to fit your preferred beliefs. He is likely burning in Hell right now. The Catholic Church, founded by Christ, has always, always taught that there is no salvation outside of it, therefore it is not hateful or whatever to surmise that Luther is there.. He willfully chose to be outside of the Church..

He took the psg that says something about faith and added the word Alone, so that it read something to the effect that we are saved by faith alone.

Why are protestants following a sinful man who is likely in Hell?!

Okay, how many good works do you need to do in order to be justified before a COMPLETELY righteous, holy and just God? How many before you can demand that God has to accept you on your own merits? What's the standard? And no, it can't come from Church doctrine, bring it from Scripture.

Here's what Luther was talking about and what you reject out of hand. Saving faith is not just a simple, "Okay, I believe" statement. No, saving faith is completely surrendering your life to Jesus, which means you give up your will, your control over your life, everything. There's no "I'm saved so I can live however I want to" in the Kingdom. This is something you continue spouting as if all Protestants and Luther himself believe. They don't, plain and simple. You don't understand faith if you continue denigrating like you do.

And finally, if good works are all you need to be saved, there was no need for Jesus to even make His sacrifice. Think on that for a moment.

 

[forkintheroad7]

Do or do not a lot of Catholics rely on the pope's proclamations to understand Scripture? I find it interesting that you proudly proclaim the Catholic Church to be the only Church yet judge its leadership when they go astray from your beliefs. IOW, the Church is right, whether it's right

Nowhere do I say ALL Catholics do or believe anything. That's a you thing.

I know what Scripture says about it, and I know that there is a group of people that God will cast out from His presence because they focused only on doing things and not on being in right relationship with Him. You should go back over that and let it inform your conscience.

Tsk, tsk. Now you are starting to sound like, who was it again? Oh, that's right, the Pharisees who accused Jesus of being demon possessed. When you argue more from church doctrine than from the Word, something has gone wrong. I see in the Word how to be saved from eternal damnation, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the name on the church door. It is the Catholic Church that teaches it is the only way to God, NOT the Word that says JESUS is the only way to God, not a denomination.

Tell me, what are you going to say to God when you realize that you're rubbing elbows with Methodists, Lutherans, Baptists, Mennonites, etc. all praising God and giving Him thanks for bringing them into His presence? Are you going to criticize him and demand a "Catholics only" room just for you?

I speak for myself and from the Word.

From Scripture itself, not from a denomination's dogma:

If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

There is no mention there of the name on the church door, nor of church tradition or any of those things. If anyone wants wisdom, we can ask of God and He gives it freely, generously. That means He doesn't hide it in a denomination or in a tradition, He gives it to all who ask for it. I know this flies in the face of those who would pretend that their tribe is better than everyone else's tribe, but that's not the way God works.

You accuse me of heresy, NOT against Scripture, but against a denomination's dogma.

 

[forkintheroad7]

To Hadit (since I can't get the Quote/unquote thing to work... )

or wrong.

How do I know what "a lot of Catholics" do? I'm not God. I know what a lot of Protestants SAY, though, that is for certain...

Why do you assume I am "proud" to proclaim... " I renounce pride when I find it in myself. It's a sin.

I judge the Church's leadership?

As the Church teaches (Yes, I know: you wouldn't know anything about what the true Church teaches)

ANYONE, from peasant to pope can know without a doubt what a HERETIC is.. meaning: WHO is a heretic and who is not.

We've had about 6 obstinate, manifest HERETICS in leadership in what purports to be the Catholic Church (but is not) but is really just the Vatican-- lost to the Church a LONG LONG time ago...

(more information you didn't have)

And since you are so obstinate (and heretical yourself) I am done w/ you at least for the day... probably need to keep IGNORING...

But yeh, anyone who has the Holy Spirit in his/her life

KNOWS a heretic when one is seen...

The Catholic Church has always taught this...

(more information you didn't have... zzzzzzzzzz)

 

[Woodznutz]

Catholic means 'universal'. And the Bible teaches of the universal church of Jesus Christ as opposed to just a local church. The entire body of born-again-believers.



Quantrill

The RCC claims that only Catholics comprise "the entire body of born-again believers.

 

[forkintheroad7]

The RCC claims that only Catholics comprise "the entire body of born-again believers.

The Catholic Church normally uses the term: Spirit-filled, but yes, the term Born again is in the Scriptures... I won't get all petty on word choice, though..

In any case, no one is saved outside the Church Christ founded.

Argue w/ that and you argue with Jesus Christ himself...

but then you likely are doing that anyhow

 

[forkintheroad7]

Even non-Catholic Christians know that what is emanating from the Vatican today is NOT

true Christianity (support for practicing homosexuals... promoters of baby killing [Bribum, Pelousi]).

Therefore, I rest my case on how the Catholic Church has always taught that ANYONE (not just popes or cardinals or bishops or priests)

Can KNOW a heretic when he is seen.

Of course, you have to be Catholic to realize ALL the many heresies out there....

The devil deceives w/ all these false beliefs...

He must deceive many because MANY end up in Hell.. If you don't believe ME, note that Jesus said FEW find the narrow Way. Mt 7, Lk 13

 

[hadit]

To Hadit (since I can't get the Quote/unquote thing to work... )

How do I know what "a lot of Catholics" do? I'm not God. I know what a lot of Protestants SAY, though, that is for certain...

Why do you assume I am "proud" to proclaim... " I renounce pride when I find it in myself. It's a sin.

I judge the Church's leadership?

As the Church teaches (Yes, I know: you wouldn't know anything about what the true Church teaches)

ANYONE, from peasant to pope can know without a doubt what a HERETIC is.. meaning: WHO is a heretic and who is not.

And again with Church doctrine, not Scripture.

"But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil."

It is easy to lead the not mature astray, to teach them to rely on the word of man instead of the Word of God.

We've had about 6 obstinate, manifest HERETICS in what purports to be the Catholic Church, but is really just the Vatican, lost to the Church a LONG LONG time ago...

(more information you didn't have)

And since you are so obstinate (and heretical yourself) I am done w/ you at least for the day... probably need to keep IGNORING...

And you still support the church, even when it's run by heretics. That's the difference between you and Martin Luther, who realized the Catholic Church of his day was totally corrupt and split from it because of its heresies.

But yeh, anyone who has the Holy Spirit in his/her life

KNOWS a heretic when one is seen...

The Catholic Church has always taught this...

(more information you didn't have... zzzzzzzzzz)

Wisdom is a gift from God that we need to ask for. The solid food of the Scripture is for the mature who have trained themselves to know good from evil. It's not something we just automatically have.

So, what ARE you going to say to God when you realize that there are an awful lot of Protestants and Anabaptists before God's throne, are you going to tell Him He made a mistake?

 

[forkintheroad7]

And again with Church doctrine, not Scripture.

I'm done talking to a wall. I'm going back to Ignore, after NOT reading past the 1st sentence.

Believe what you want. Even God won't stop you. He will let you believe lies all the way to Hell. And it will be YOUR doing. . not His.

 

[Woodznutz]

Spirit-led Christians are all over the place, not just in the RCC.

The church that Jesus Christ founded is called "the church of God", and "the church of Christ", in scripture. Not the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Quantrill]

The RCC claims that only Catholics comprise "the entire body of born-again believers.

Catholic is a term not a faith. Catholic simply means universal. And there is the 'universal Church', the universal Body of believers which is composed of all who have placed faith in Jesus Christ and are born-again. Some are in the 'Roman Catholic' faith. Some are in the Protestant faith. Some don't identify with either but they are part of 'universal Church' because they have believed on Christ as their Lord and Saviour.

The Roman Church doesn't like the term 'Roman Catholic'. Because they want to be the only church. And 'Roman' makes a distinction.

Quantrill

 

[hadit]

I'm done talking to a wall. I'm going back to Ignore, after NOT reading past the 1st sentence.

Believe what you want. Even God won't stop you. He will let you believe lies all the way to Hell. And it will be YOUR doing. . not His.

When someone puts me on ignore it allows me to post replies that go unchallenged. I can dissect something you say, prove you wrong, show truth from Scripture and you will say nothing about it.

 

[Woodznutz]

Catholic is a term not a faith. Catholic simply means universal. And there is the 'universal Church', the universal Body of believers which is composed of all who have placed faith in Jesus Christ and are born-again. Some are in the 'Roman Catholic' faith. Some are in the Protestant faith. Some don't identify with either but they are part of 'universal Church' because they have believed on Christ as their Lord and Saviour.

The Roman Church doesn't like the term 'Roman Catholic'. Because they want to be the only church. And 'Roman' makes a distinction.

Quantrill

"Roman" is the distinction. The RCC is the continuation of the medieval Roman church, papacy, and all things Roman.

 

[Quantrill]

"Roman" is the distinction. The RCC is the continuation of the medieval Roman church, papacy, and all things Roman.

Yes, in reality, the term 'Roman Catholic' is an oxymoron. Roman is a distinction and Catholic is a universal. Which is why Catholics don't like the term 'Roman Catholic'. They are not really Catholic, but they are Roman. Thus they don't like to be told that.

Quantrill

 

[forkintheroad7]

Spirit-led Christians are all over the place, not just in the RCC.

The church that Jesus Christ founded is called "the church of God", and "the church of Christ", in scripture. Not the Roman Catholic Church.

Apparently, according to the first, original, Christ-founded Church, you can be spirit-filled all you want but if you are not in CHRIST's Church, you won't make it. Didn't Jesus tell us clearly that FEW make it? He said FEW find the Narrow Way.

A lot of people won't convert to Catholicism because it would mean an upheaval in their personal lives somehow. Their families would disown them or whatever.

They reject the narrow way for the way of the world, the flesh and the devil. So it's no wonder almost everyone ends up in Hell (according to canonized saints... and scripture: Mt 7:14, Luke 13:24..)