Mushroom
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We sell Japan military arms now. Including the F-35 fighter. Can you imagine that?
We also sent them some of our first overseas military advisors. Ho Chi Minh was also a recipient of US aid and advisors.
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We sell Japan military arms now. Including the F-35 fighter. Can you imagine that?
MacArthur? Roosevelt? MacArthur was a bit outside the circle of top military leaders in regards to the plan to defeat Japan. But we can include MacArthur. I see that you have not included this 40-page communique? So that is not part of the conversation? I will get back to this. It takes time to formulate a educated, researched response. So be a bit patient, we would not want you to go off half-cocked and declare yourself right without my response....
The Japanese were seeking to make a peace agreement? ...
General MacArthur informed fdr of this in a 40-page communique several days before fdr left for the Yalta Conference. fdr summarily dismissed it because he has no interest in pursuing the possibility of peace regardless of how many more American servicemen would have to die.
My word, whatever gave you the idea I was simply going to make a statement without the ability to back up my words with facts from history that is indisputable. Thus far, all you have posted is your word? You can not hardly consider a google search that finds a vague article that cherry pics one or two sentences from history is evidence or fact, which is what you seem to expect us to accept. A vague article is no better than your word so you will have to come up with something that includes references as to where they get their quotes from.American military leaders knew that Japan was a beaten foe, and said so. But I should take your word for it instead?
The link is from a simple google search that pretty much is far left liberal democrat dictated search results. The link is vague and does not include references. One can not educate another by simply cutting and pasting from google searches.The link is for the benefit of those like you who are ignorant of history. There are hundreds of links on the dozens of threads on this topic. Go read them and educate yourself.
Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins
Almost six decades after the fact, the 1945 unleashing of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima continues to be the subject of impassioned debate. Every year the bombing anniversary — which falls on August 6 — occasions heated exchanges between those who question the atomic bombing and those who...origins.osu.edu
Except of course, they are all not named, they are all not quoted, nor is a source stated for any of them. A huge fail by the Authors.Indeed, contrary to conventional opinion today, many military leaders of the time — including six out of seven five-star officers — criticized the use of the atomic bomb.
The link is for the benefit of those like you who are ignorant of history. There are hundreds of links on the dozens of threads on this topic. Go read them and educate yourself.Hiroshima: Military Voices of Dissent | Origins
Almost six decades after the fact, the 1945 unleashing of an atomic bomb on Hiroshima continues to be the subject of impassioned debate. Every year the bombing anniversary — which falls on August 6 — occasions heated exchanges between those who question the atomic bombing and those who...origins.osu.edu
Admiral Leahy wrote in his 1950 memoirs that "the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender."
I dont blame you for deleting your last comment, it was pretty lame. As you can see, your links, nobodies links, prove what they contend.The link is for the benefit of those like you who are ignorant of history. There are hundreds of links on the dozens of threads on this topic. Go read them and educate yourself.
...His own words prove the bomb shortened the war by over a year! ......
Admiral William Leahy, is the first person referenced in your link. And this is what they quote;No, they don't. It is tragic that you are so utterly unfamiliar with basic logic that you cannot see that for yourself.
...The Atomic bomb saved many lives that is clear.
...Leahy, according to his memoirs, states the war against Japan will end 18 months after Germany is defeated. Germany was defeated in May of 1945, 18 months later is November of 1946!...
Yes, they estimated, that without the Atomic bomb the war would end well over a year after the date that it did end. Leahy did not need magic. Leahy used the resources of our government which relied on the experience we had in fighting wars. An accurate estimate was made. The war ended 15 months earlier than the conservative estimates.Do you know what the word "estimate" means? Do you think that Leahy had some magic ability to set an absolute end date to the war, professor?
... An accurate estimate was made. .....
Yes, it was an estimate, which after the Atomic Bombs ended the war, it was irrelevant. Had the bombs not been dropped, we believed it would take over a year and a half to defeat Japan. That estimate was not 3 or 4 months after the fall of Germany, it was estimated that it would take 18 months of fighting to force Japan to surrender.... An accurate estimate was made. .....
So you really don't know what the word "estimate" means?
I've told you many times to study logic. You really, really should.
... Had the bombs not been dropped, we believed it would take over a year and a half to defeat Japan. ....
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I am using your source, ....
I have addressed, Eisenhower which history shows pretty much lied. I have addressed Leahy from the source within your source/link and have shown Leahy never objected to the bomb being dropped, Leahy was adamant that it would not work.Your own leaders were not as deluded as you. But then they lived the history rather than uncritically slurping a propagandised version of it.That the USA is the Great, the Proud, and our history is Just.
While a majority of Americans may not be familiar with this history, the National Museum of the U.S. Navy in Washington, D.C., states unambiguously on a plaque with its atomic bomb exhibit: “The vast destruction wreaked by the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the loss of 135,000 people made little impact on the Japanese military. However, the Soviet invasion of Manchuria … changed their minds.” But online the wording has been modified to put the atomic bombings in a more positive light — once again showing how myths can overwhelm historical evidence.Seven of the United States' eight five-star Army and Navy officers in 1945 agreed with the Navy’s vitriolic assessment. Generals Dwight Eisenhower, Douglas MacArthur and Henry “Hap” Arnold and Admirals William Leahy, Chester Nimitz, Ernest King, and William Halsey are on record stating that the atomic bombs were either militarily unnecessary, morally reprehensible, or both.No one was more impassioned in his condemnation than Leahy, Truman’s chief of staff. He wrote in his memoir “that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender …. In being the first to use it we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages.”MacArthur thought the use of atomic bombs was inexcusable. He later wrote to former President Hoover that if Truman had followed Hoover’s “wise and statesmanlike” advice to modify its surrender terms and tell the Japanese they could keep their emperor, “the Japanese would have accepted it and gladly I have no doubt.”
It ended the war. The End. No more kamikazes, amirite?Very true, but after the Dolittle raid on Tokyo, the months of bombing across the entire country of Japan, I am positive that the Japanese people took the leaflets very seriously. Sadly, the food was not up in the mountains where it was safe and there was the fear of arrest or murder if they fled, so many could not or would not heed the warnings.It cannot be serious to suggest a country would believe leaflets from an enemy.
But you can sleep easy at night, knowing, that after months of bombing, leaflets and warnings were taken seriously.
and you still have nothing more than silly little insults. Have you noticed, nobody cares to help you. Nobody can support the articles I have refuted."Believed"
Still don't know what "estimate" means?