The USA's Great Proud Just History.

[gipper]

America does have a proud and just history but the world went crazy during WW2 when the strategy of killing citizens to force monsters to surrender reached a peak when America used the most horrific device ever created not once but twice on humans. Americans didn't vote for it, it was a decision made by a president who wasn't qualified and who wasn't even elected.

Yet, americans overwhelming wanted to end the war as soon as possible. Yes, every aspect of war is horrific, there is no doubt of that. But that said there is much to be proud of, in winning, and winning as fast as humanly possible. The bomb accomplished that.

The bomb. I can go over again on how the greatest minds in the world determined it was the best weapon to end the war. This was not merely the decision of Truman. It was the decision of many people. To begin with it was Roosevelt's decision as well as his closest aids.

Truman was definitely elected, as the vice president, in which all people who voted knew, Truman would become president if something did happen to the president. So in every sense of a vote, Truman was America's choice for president.

Qualified? Truman made the chose to end the war the quickest way possible, and the bomb was perfect for that purpose. There is no denying that as a military weapon the atomic bomb was devastating and effective. Took just two to end the war. Took just two force surrender.

I think it was more of a realization that civilians were manufacturing the bombs and repairing the planes and ships that resulted in the civilians dying.

Either way, I am proud that we ended the war as quick as we could. I am proud that because we ended the war Pappy Boyington was freed from a prisoner of war camp. I am happy that Louie Zapperini lived to tell his story.

I am proud and happy that we saved the lives of so many prisoners who then revealed the horror that was the japanese.

Given the period of history that that was, there was no way a different, more humane, history could of arouse.

What your proud of is based on lies. It’s not reality. Get real.

 

[Unkotare]

...I think it was more of a realization that civilians were manufacturing the bombs and repairing the planes and ships that resulted in the civilians dying....

All of those civilians were working in arms manufacturing? Japan's armament manufacturing capacity had been decimated by then.

 

[gipper]

It’s amazing the lengths in which the a-bomb apologists will go.

Japan was a devastated wreck by August 1945. They had no ability for offensive action, yet Dirty Harry still incinerated thousands of innocent people. He was one sick fucker.

 

[elektra]

What your proud of is based on lies. It’s not reality. Get real.

If that is all you got what I have posted stands as facts.

 

[Unkotare]

A modern Japan is our gift to Japan, the result of the atomic bombs.

If you had even a tenuous grasp on history you would not make that statement.

 

[cnm]

That the USA is the Great, the Proud, and our history is Just.

Your own leaders were not as deluded as you. But then they lived the history rather than uncritically slurping a propagandised version of it.

Op-Ed: U.S. leaders knew we didn't have to drop atomic bombs on Japan to win the war. We did it anyway​

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While a majority of Americans may not be familiar with this history, the National Museum of the U.S. Navy in Washington, D.C., states unambiguously on a plaque with its atomic bomb exhibit: “The vast destruction wreaked by the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the loss of 135,000 people made little impact on the Japanese military. However, the Soviet invasion of Manchuria … changed their minds.” But online the wording has been modified to put the atomic bombings in a more positive light — once again showing how myths can overwhelm historical evidence.​

Seven of the United States' eight five-star Army and Navy officers in 1945 agreed with the Navy’s vitriolic assessment. Generals Dwight Eisenhower, Douglas MacArthur and Henry “Hap” Arnold and Admirals William Leahy, Chester Nimitz, Ernest King, and William Halsey are on record stating that the atomic bombs were either militarily unnecessary, morally reprehensible, or both.​

No one was more impassioned in his condemnation than Leahy, Truman’s chief of staff. He wrote in his memoir “that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender …. In being the first to use it we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages.”​

MacArthur thought the use of atomic bombs was inexcusable. He later wrote to former President Hoover that if Truman had followed Hoover’s “wise and statesmanlike” advice to modify its surrender terms and tell the Japanese they could keep their emperor, “the Japanese would have accepted it and gladly I have no doubt.”​

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[cnm]

If that is all you got what I have posted stands as facts.

Facts? Pablum to feed an ignorant populace.

 

[elektra]

That the USA is the Great, the Proud, and our history is Just.

Your own leaders were not as deluded as you. But then they lived the history rather than uncritically slurping a propagandised version of it.

Op-Ed: U.S. leaders knew we didn't have to drop atomic bombs on Japan to win the war. We did it anyway​

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While a majority of Americans may not be familiar with this history, the National Museum of the U.S. Navy in Washington, D.C., states unambiguously on a plaque with its atomic bomb exhibit: “The vast destruction wreaked by the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the loss of 135,000 people made little impact on the Japanese military. However, the Soviet invasion of Manchuria … changed their minds.” But online the wording has been modified to put the atomic bombings in a more positive light — once again showing how myths can overwhelm historical evidence.​

Seven of the United States' eight five-star Army and Navy officers in 1945 agreed with the Navy’s vitriolic assessment. Generals Dwight Eisenhower, Douglas MacArthur and Henry “Hap” Arnold and Admirals William Leahy, Chester Nimitz, Ernest King, and William Halsey are on record stating that the atomic bombs were either militarily unnecessary, morally reprehensible, or both.​

No one was more impassioned in his condemnation than Leahy, Truman’s chief of staff. He wrote in his memoir “that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender …. In being the first to use it we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages.”​

MacArthur thought the use of atomic bombs was inexcusable. He later wrote to former President Hoover that if Truman had followed Hoover’s “wise and statesmanlike” advice to modify its surrender terms and tell the Japanese they could keep their emperor, “the Japanese would have accepted it and gladly I have no doubt.”​

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Yes, it is very easy to cut/paste something you find on the internet. Does that make it fact? I can cut and paste from the internet as well, does that make my cut/paste fact?

The Soviet Union entered the war on August 8th, how come Japan did not surrender to the Soviet Union on August 8th? Or, why did they not surrender the next day to the Soviet Union on the 9th?

Facts, they are a bitch. Japan fought the Soviet Union until Sept. 2nd, 1945. You present an article declaring the Soviet Union entering and fighting the Japanese caused the Japanese to surrender on August 15th? Yet the Japanese were fighting the Soviets up to Sept. 3rd 1945. They fought over the Kuril Islands. And you post something that makes the claim that Japan surrendered to the Soviet Union immediately after the Soviet Union declared war on Japan?

Sorry, but the vague argument by a revisionist does not reflect the history, that being Japan and the Soviet Union fought until Sept. 3rd, 1945.

 

[elektra]

While a majority of Americans may not be familiar with this history, the National Museum of the U.S. Navy in Washington, D.C., states unambiguously on a plaque with its atomic bomb exhibit​

A plaque? History is not dictated by a plaque. If you wish, you can present the plaque, with a bit more than a vague reference from a google search.

 

[whitehall]

America does have a proud and just history but the world went crazy during WW2 when the strategy of killing citizens to force monsters to surrender reached a peak when America used the most horrific device ever created not once but twice on humans. Americans didn't vote for it, it was a decision made by a president who wasn't qualified and who wasn't even elected.

Yet, americans overwhelming wanted to end the war as soon as possible. Yes, every aspect of war is horrific, there is no doubt of that. But that said there is much to be proud of, in winning, and winning as fast as humanly possible. The bomb accomplished that.

The bomb. I can go over again on how the greatest minds in the world determined it was the best weapon to end the war. This was not merely the decision of Truman. It was the decision of many people. To begin with it was Roosevelt's decision as well as his closest aids.

Truman was definitely elected, as the vice president, in which all people who voted knew, Truman would become president if something did happen to the president. So in every sense of a vote, Truman was America's choice for president.

Qualified? Truman made the chose to end the war the quickest way possible, and the bomb was perfect for that purpose. There is no denying that as a military weapon the atomic bomb was devastating and effective. Took just two to end the war. Took just two force surrender.

I think it was more of a realization that civilians were manufacturing the bombs and repairing the planes and ships that resulted in the civilians dying.

Either way, I am proud that we ended the war as quick as we could. I am proud that because we ended the war Pappy Boyington was freed from a prisoner of war camp. I am happy that Louie Zapperini lived to tell his story.

I am proud and happy that we saved the lives of so many prisoners who then revealed the horror that was the japanese.

Given the period of history that that was, there was no way a different, more humane, history could of arouse.

What your proud of is based on lies. It’s not reality. Get real.

The United States of America was (is) the first country in human history to create the concept of government by the people. Doesn't that make you proud? The U.S. Constitution is the only document that actually lists guaranteed freedoms in the 1st Ten Amendments aka the Bill of Rights. Doesn't that make you proud? The U.S. went from a struggling backwater colony to the only superpower in the world in 250 years. Doesn't that make you proud? On the other hand you can play hypocrite and whine about being a victim while enjoying all the things the greatest Country on earth has to offer.

 

[gipper]

America does have a proud and just history but the world went crazy during WW2 when the strategy of killing citizens to force monsters to surrender reached a peak when America used the most horrific device ever created not once but twice on humans. Americans didn't vote for it, it was a decision made by a president who wasn't qualified and who wasn't even elected.

Yet, americans overwhelming wanted to end the war as soon as possible. Yes, every aspect of war is horrific, there is no doubt of that. But that said there is much to be proud of, in winning, and winning as fast as humanly possible. The bomb accomplished that.

The bomb. I can go over again on how the greatest minds in the world determined it was the best weapon to end the war. This was not merely the decision of Truman. It was the decision of many people. To begin with it was Roosevelt's decision as well as his closest aids.

Truman was definitely elected, as the vice president, in which all people who voted knew, Truman would become president if something did happen to the president. So in every sense of a vote, Truman was America's choice for president.

Qualified? Truman made the chose to end the war the quickest way possible, and the bomb was perfect for that purpose. There is no denying that as a military weapon the atomic bomb was devastating and effective. Took just two to end the war. Took just two force surrender.

I think it was more of a realization that civilians were manufacturing the bombs and repairing the planes and ships that resulted in the civilians dying.

Either way, I am proud that we ended the war as quick as we could. I am proud that because we ended the war Pappy Boyington was freed from a prisoner of war camp. I am happy that Louie Zapperini lived to tell his story.

I am proud and happy that we saved the lives of so many prisoners who then revealed the horror that was the japanese.

Given the period of history that that was, there was no way a different, more humane, history could of arouse.

What your proud of is based on lies. It’s not reality. Get real.

The United States of America was (is) the first country in human history to create the concept of government by the people. Doesn't that make you proud? The U.S. Constitution is the only document that actually lists guaranteed freedoms in the 1st Ten Amendments aka the Bill of Rights. Doesn't that make you proud? The U.S. went from a struggling backwater colony to the only superpower in the world in 250 years. Doesn't that make you proud? On the other hand you can play hypocrite and whine about being a victim while enjoying all the things the greatest Country on earth has to offer.

Except that that’s not how it’s worked out. Today it’s for the rich, by the rich and of the rich.

 

[whitehall]

America does have a proud and just history but the world went crazy during WW2 when the strategy of killing citizens to force monsters to surrender reached a peak when America used the most horrific device ever created not once but twice on humans. Americans didn't vote for it, it was a decision made by a president who wasn't qualified and who wasn't even elected.

Yet, americans overwhelming wanted to end the war as soon as possible. Yes, every aspect of war is horrific, there is no doubt of that. But that said there is much to be proud of, in winning, and winning as fast as humanly possible. The bomb accomplished that.

The bomb. I can go over again on how the greatest minds in the world determined it was the best weapon to end the war. This was not merely the decision of Truman. It was the decision of many people. To begin with it was Roosevelt's decision as well as his closest aids.

Truman was definitely elected, as the vice president, in which all people who voted knew, Truman would become president if something did happen to the president. So in every sense of a vote, Truman was America's choice for president.

Qualified? Truman made the chose to end the war the quickest way possible, and the bomb was perfect for that purpose. There is no denying that as a military weapon the atomic bomb was devastating and effective. Took just two to end the war. Took just two force surrender.

I think it was more of a realization that civilians were manufacturing the bombs and repairing the planes and ships that resulted in the civilians dying.

Either way, I am proud that we ended the war as quick as we could. I am proud that because we ended the war Pappy Boyington was freed from a prisoner of war camp. I am happy that Louie Zapperini lived to tell his story.

I am proud and happy that we saved the lives of so many prisoners who then revealed the horror that was the japanese.

Given the period of history that that was, there was no way a different, more humane, history could of arouse.

What your proud of is based on lies. It’s not reality. Get real.

The United States of America was (is) the first country in human history to create the concept of government by the people. Doesn't that make you proud? The U.S. Constitution is the only document that actually lists guaranteed freedoms in the 1st Ten Amendments aka the Bill of Rights. Doesn't that make you proud? The U.S. went from a struggling backwater colony to the only superpower in the world in 250 years. Doesn't that make you proud? On the other hand you can play hypocrite and whine about being a victim while enjoying all the things the greatest Country on earth has to offer.

Except that that’s not how it’s worked out. Today it’s for the rich, by the rich and of the rich.

People literally crawl across the freaking desert to take advantage of the basic freedoms that allow them to get rich in the greatest Country in the world and then there are Americans who whine that they just can't make it on their own and there must be a democrat socialist who can make it easier.

 

[elektra]

Seven of the United States' eight five-star Army and Navy officers in 1945 agreed with the Navy’s vitriolic assessment. Generals Dwight Eisenhower, Douglas MacArthur and Henry “Hap” Arnold and Admirals William Leahy, Chester Nimitz, Ernest King, and William Halsey are on record stating that the atomic bombs were either militarily unnecessary, morally reprehensible, or both.​

I am laughing my ass off. Literally! Thank you very much. You gave us a link to an op-ed hence that will be the only source I use, therefore you can not argue with any fact gleamed from what you have given. I will post much from this. This is just a small beginning.

Your link to the op-ed you wish to use; Op-Ed: U.S. leaders knew we didn't have to drop atomic bombs on Japan to win the war. We did it anyway

From that link, they use this link to establish facts;
Before the bombings, Eisenhower had urged at Potsdam, “the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”

The source was not read by the op-ed, they found something by doing a google search, read only one sentence and assumed it was the holy grail in revisionist history. Well, the source you are using states the opposite of what you and the op-ed contend. In this quote, it states nobody opposed the bomb, no high ranking officials opposed. You should read the source that you choose to use. I did and I thank you.

 

[elektra]

Seven of the United States' eight five-star Army and Navy officers in 1945 agreed with the Navy’s vitriolic assessment. Generals Dwight Eisenhower, Douglas MacArthur and Henry “Hap” Arnold and Admirals William Leahy, Chester Nimitz, Ernest King, and William Halsey are on record stating that the atomic bombs were either militarily unnecessary, morally reprehensible, or both.​

Again, I am only quoting from your link and the material they use to establish what they dictate to be fact. The article you have chosen shows that revisionists must cherry pick to deceive. Your source uses a link that states the opposite of what you and they think. They used that link to show that Eisenhower was against the bomb but the link explains in detail how Eisenhower lied and how we know he lied.

 

[elektra]

MacArthur thought the use of atomic bombs was inexcusable. He later wrote to former President Hoover that if Truman had followed Hoover’s “wise and statesmanlike” advice to modify its surrender terms and tell the Japanese they could keep their emperor, “the Japanese would have accepted it and gladly I have no doubt.”​

Again, I will use your source, you links, to prove another statement as wrong.

 

[elektra]

It’s amazing the lengths in which the a-bomb apologists will go.

Japan was a devastated wreck by August 1945. They had no ability for offensive action, yet Dirty Harry still incinerated thousands of innocent people. He was one sick fucker.

Yet, At least 1,000 Americans died in August without the Japanese launching an offensive attack?

Your idea about what the Japanese were capable of is pure bullshit. Anybody with even a tiny knowledge of military history knows that Japan was building its defenses at an extreme rate. The only way to beat Japan or force surrender was to smash them.

 

[whitehall]

The United States of America's "great proud and just history" doesn't excuse the decision to use nuclear weapons on civilians. FDR democrats most likely foresaw the problem they might have with an independent V.P. that might be aware of the insanity of nuclear weapons and decide not go along with the eggheads and the crazies in the military so they fired the sitting Vice President while he was on vacation and picked a freaking high school educated haberdasher from Missouri to be president when they knew FDR wouldn't live out his 3rd term. Though the years he media tried to prop up Harry Truman's legacy but Korea showed that he was in fact a dumb assed timid bureaucrat who was afraid to confront his own General until it was too late.

 

[elektra]

The United States of America's "great proud and just history" doesn't excuse the decision to use nuclear weapons on civilians. FDR democrats most likely foresaw the problem they might have with an independent V.P. that might be aware of the insanity of nuclear weapons and decide not go along with the eggheads and the crazies in the military so they fired the sitting Vice President while he was on vacation and picked a freaking high school educated haberdasher from Missouri to be president when they knew FDR wouldn't live out his 3rd term. Though the years he media tried to prop up Harry Truman's legacy but Korea showed that he was in fact a dumb assed timid bureaucrat who was afraid to confront his own General until it was too late.

In your opinion. Sadly, when fighting war, you fight a country not a person. It is a bit different today, we do have precision weapons. Back then we did not and back then we were in a fight to the death. I suppose American lives do matter. The thousands that would did in prison camps. I guess it does not matter to you that any other scenario would be not to attack and leave the japanese armies intact. To leave the Japanese ruling Manchuria in China. You would of left the Japanese ruling Korea. You would of left the Japanese in the Philippines and Indochina?

Sad is war, we do not need to excuse ourselves, nor our decisions that ended World War II. Surrender was up to the Japanese and they refused. It was not up to us to throw in the towel for them.

 

[cnm]

Surrender was up to the Japanese and they refused. It was not up to us to throw in the towel for them.

They were negotiating when bombed. You're deluded by blind fanaticism.

 

[elektra]

They were negotiating when bombed. You're deluded by blind fanaticism.

Negotiating? That is not what your original post said. Now you fanatically present another argument. Fine, tye should of quit killing us while they negotiated but that was not the case. Further, when they rebuked the Potsdam declaration that pretty much sealed their fate.

You could of course offer another link (ha,ha,ha) to substantiate your opinion. But we know what happened the last time that happened.