The truth on the Renee Good shooting lies in the middle

[Hollie]

Why is it funny that law enforcement employees can be so scared?
Aren't you the guys that call Dems snowflakes?

Don't be scared, homie.

Are you surprised that law enforcement can be done in countries where the officers do not carry weapons but do have cars? Does imagining that scenario cause you any fear?

Democrats protect their heroes. No need to be scared of your heroes with a high velocity jacketed hollow point.

Instant justice.

ICE arrests in Minnesota surge include numerous convicted child rapists, killers

ICE arrested convicted criminals in Minnesota, including alleged child rapists and killers with decades-old deportation orders still roaming free.

www.foxnews.com

 

[OODA_Loop]

Consider a teenager. He's brown, by the way, which will matter. Working at his job moving carts in the parking lot of a store.

ICE shows up with a dozen of their militarized, masked, angry looking dudes walking in an angry little pack.

The teenager says "**** ICE". ICE starts walking towards him, so he walks backwards, saying "**** ICE" numerous times.

What happens next? ICE agent grabs him and throws him to the ground where four others sit on him and cuff him, throwing him in the back of an SUV and driving him away. He has his passport in his pocket at the time. He's a citizen. He's released hours later.

Why was he thrown to the ground and hauled off to their little headquarters? I mean, we don't know for sure, but it wasn't because they were looking for him. Most certainly it was because he disrespected them.

This is a clear violation of the first amendment. You guys keep banging the desk saying that any minor infraction of the law must be dealt with immediately with as much force as is necessary, but you don't really care that ICE can trample all over the constitution on a daily basis and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

So like most of these stories a lot of details are left out.

Is **** ICE a smart response when youre a US Citizen holding your passport and a little pack of angry dudes walks at you?

Oh you can do it but there might be consequences. Like be detained until they sort it out and release you hours later.

Which is what happened here.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

Why are you so determined to flame thread with your pointless spam.

Don’t be scared. “Do a Good” and take one for the team,

OK, what do you think about the fact that many European countries operate their police force without guns, but yet those countries have cars?

What do you think of the following:
In 2022, the DOJ updated their policy (this gets updated EXTREMELY rarely btw, the last update to it was in 2004), it included an update to the policy of 'Moving out the way of vehicles'.

"Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force."

Alongside this, the Biden Executive Order 14074 (May 25, 2022), means that this DOJ update applies to all federal law enforcemnt agencies. Whether this was actually implemented by ICE is the question (The DHS has recently redacted the Use of Force policy -- how's that for transparency?). But I think this policy of moving out the way (when the driver has not given justifiable reason for the officer to believe that the person is a threat to other people if they are allowed to continue driving) is a good one.

And in terms of police departments around the US, any that don't yet have this policy, should enact it. I don't think there is any reason not to. Do you agree?

 

[Hollie]

Democratic socialist are not humans
they're violent animals

says mister, there is no crisis at the border

Kamala's the border czar!

two years later
There is no border czar.
You cant prove there was a border czar because there never was an official border czar office..

Leftist cowardice at its worst.

 

[Hollie]

OK, what do you think about the fact that many European countries operate their police force without guns, but yet those countries have cars?

What do you think of the following:
In 2022, the DOJ updated their policy (this gets updated EXTREMELY rarely btw, the last update to it was in 2004), it included an update to the policy of 'Moving out the way of vehicles'.

"Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force."

Alongside this, the Biden Executive Order 14074 (May 25, 2022), means that this DOJ update applies to all federal law enforcemnt agencies. Whether this was actually implemented by ICE is the question (The DHS has recently redacted the Use of Force policy -- how's that for transparency?). But I think this policy of moving out the way (when the driver has not given justifiable reason for the officer to believe that the person is a threat to other people if they are allowed to continue driving) is a good one.

And in terms of police departments around the US, any that don't yet have this policy, should enact it. I don't think there is any reason not to. Do you agree?

Pointless. Put your tirade into effect and try to seize a police officers firearm.

 

[leftwinger]

And I am reading the unhinged posts of a liberal named Joe who has mastered the art of over the top mouth frothing hysteria

They probably get paid by DNC to agitate and promote Liberal agenda? The lunatics get paid to elicit a response also?

Possibly even a funny or disagree qualifies for a response? perhaps?

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

Pointless. Put your tirade into effect and try to seize a police officers firearm.

Hahhaha. Exactly. I've never seen such scared people in my life.

Don't be scared, homie

 

[Hollie]

And I am reading the unhinged posts of a liberal named Joe who has mastered the art of over the top mouth frothing hysteria

Why yes. A computer aided Chatbot.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Do you think that she intentionally and deliberately was trying to hit the officer with her vehicle?

She struck the officer while trying to avoid the orders of his partner at the driver's door
telling to her stop and exit the vehicle.

That assault justifies lethal force.

 

[leftwinger]

Nothing seemed middle about any of it. Blocking road, laying on horn, disobeying safety commands, disturbing the peace, finally trying to run over a federal officer in the line of duty. Fire when ready.

 

[OODA_Loop]

No she was not above the law, and I think most people would agree that she should have just complied instead of trying to flee. Her fleeing is not reason for her to be executed though.

Her hitting an officer while trying to flee was justification for the officer to use lethal force.

Her subsequent death is a result of her poor choices.

 

[Correll]

Hopefully not a lot hop

Hopeully trump hasn't radicalized too many people on the left. GOD knows he's radicalized far too.many on the right already.
.

On the right, we are pushing to see people here illegally, be sent HOME.

On the left they are using force to try to stop law enforcement from enforcing democratically enacted laws.


Seems like it is the LEFT that is radical here, not the right.

 

[Correll]

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

That is dumb.

In this case, it is CONSERVATIVES who want to have the same rights as every other national group in the world, ie the right to decide who to invite to join our community or NOT.

It is you lefties that want to treat Americans as not having the normal "protections" that every other nation has.

 

[Hollie]

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

That was just another of your silly conspiracy theories.

 

[leftwinger]

Eat it up JoeB131 citygator you commee sheep.

 

[Correll]

You guys are so ******* scared.

I'm not "scared". I'm... serious about the dangers of civil unrest. I don't want it for my society.

YOu lefties, EVERY TIME, when I ask you about the obvious consequences of your actions, that EVERYONE can see coming, and I ask you if you have thought out it, or planned for it,

EVERY TIME, you guys play retard and don't even understand the concept of considering weighting benefit and risk and costs.

It is like trying to talk to a fungus. that is the amount of thinking you guys do.

Would you be surprised to learn that the police officers of many countries do not even carry guns? But they do have cars...

Our society has large populations that clearly hate large amounts of the rest of the country... so, that's a big problem for US.

But yet US federal agents are so scared. I've never seen such BETA shit in my life. In this Good case, you guys deny the laws of physics and motion becuase you are so scared.

Talking shit? Good way to cope. Except, what we need now, is not you trying to feel good, but you people making teh right decision as to how to NOT encourage more civil unrest with more people killed.

 

[Hollie]

Eat it up JoeB131 citygator you commee sheep.

Another rotund AWFL takes one for the team

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

On the right, we are pushing to see people here illegally, be sent HOME.

On the left they are using force to try to stop law enforcement from enforcing democratically enacted laws.


Seems like it is the LEFT that is radical here, not the right.

Lol. Hold on a second, wasn't it the right that attacked democracy and tried to overturn a democratic election in 2021? Trump False Electors Plot

People are allowed to be angry at ICE. As I said in another comment, there are people that were bought here as a young child and all they know is America. And those people are being caught up in ICE raids in some cases. Empathy. You guys should try it sometime.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Lol. Hold on a second, wasn't it the right that attacked democracy and tried to overturn a democratic election in 2021? Trump False Electors Plot

People are allowed to be angry at ICE. As I said in another comment, there are people that were bought here as a young child and all they know is America. And those people are being caught up in ICE raids in some cases. Empathy. You guys should try it sometime.

As I said in another comment, there are people that were bought here as a young child and all they know is America. And those people are being caught up in ICE raids in some cases.

Yeah, their parents fucked up. Very sad.

 

[RedrickTheCoat]

I'm not "scared". I'm... serious about the dangers of civil unrest. I don't want it for my society.

YOu lefties, EVERY TIME, when I ask you about the obvious consequences of your actions, that EVERYONE can see coming, and I ask you if you have thought out it, or planned for it,

EVERY TIME, you guys play retard and don't even understand the concept of considering weighting benefit and risk and costs.

It is like trying to talk to a fungus. that is the amount of thinking you guys do.



Our society has large populations that clearly hate large amounts of the rest of the country... so, that's a big problem for US.






Talking shit? Good way to cope. Except, what we need now, is not you trying to feel good, but you people making teh right decision as to how to NOT encourage more civil unrest with more people killed.

Nah, you guys sound scared to me. Like, with this Good case, there are many people here that are so scared that they deny the laws of physics and motion. They say that Good was intentionally aiming for the officer, despite the fact that the wheels were turned fully right, and away from the officer. They say that if the officer had not discharged his weapon, she would have killed him, depite the fact that the laws of physics and motion dictate that even if he had not discharged his weapon, it wouldn't have made a single difference to his threat level. In fact, discharing his weapon actually caused more potential danger, since it caused the car to have uncontrolled acceleration.