The Trouble With The Two State Solution

[ShahdagMountains]

That's just another bullshit lie!

That’s just a meaningless statement.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I randomly chose Saudi Arabia for comparison. 10% of its citizens are African

*African Arabs

Nearly 40% of its inhabitants are non-Arab.

They are not citizens.

 

[Billo_Really]

That’s just a meaningless statement.

Not to me.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

*African Arabs

Yes, they are mixed race and therefore not Arabs.

They are not citizens.

Which is why I called them inhabitants and not citizens.

 

[Silver Cat]

How many jews in Saudi Arabia, there were tens thousands. How many in Syria, Iraq, Jordan, how many in Gaza and the West Bank.

ZERO

Who said about the Jews only? There are Kurds, there are Armenians, there are Assyrians, Turks, Persians and many other ethnic group. As I said, all those countries are not "pure Arabic". Say nothing, that no one is absolutely pure.

 

[USAF 2023]

Who said about the Jews only? There are Kurds, there are Armenians, there are Assyrians, Turks, Persians and many other ethnic group. As I said, all those countries are not "pure Arabic". Say nothing, that no one is absolutely pure.

They are MUSLIM Please tell us how many Jews live in Muslim/ Arab Countries ESPECIALLY Saudi Arabia
During the Gulf War the US MILITARY was NOT permitted to bring their bibles or wear the Cross but THAT’S NOT RACIST ??
What if for some reason our Military was in Israel and enforced those same restrictions?

 

[Failzero]

Mixed Race ( Like Many Jews ?)

 

[Silver Cat]

They are MUSLIM Please tell us how many Jews live in Muslim/ Arab Countries ESPECIALLY Saudi Arabia
During the Gulf War the US MILITARY was NOT permitted to bring their bibles or wear the Cross but THAT’S NOT RACIST ??
What if for some reason our Military was in Israel and enforced those same restrictions?

These are three different things: race, ethnicity and religion. Arabs do not try to build monoethnic societies, while some of their states are religiously discriminative (as well as religiously discriminative is the current Israelis regime).

 

[elektra]

Who said about the Jews only? There are Kurds, there are Armenians, there are Assyrians, Turks, Persians and many other ethnic group. As I said, all those countries are not "pure Arabic". Say nothing, that no one is absolutely pure.

So?
The point I made is Arabia has been cleansed of Jews.

The point is Jews lived everywhere on the Arabian peninsula.

The jews were killed, persecuted, and forced to leave the places they lived on Arabia

 

[Silver Cat]

So?
The point I made is Arabia has been cleansed of Jews.

The point is Jews lived everywhere are the Arabian peninsula.

The jews were killed, persecuted, and forced to leave the places they lived on Arabia

Not only in Arabia. They have been killed, persecuted and forced to leave in many places. As well as the Jews themselves have been killing, persecuting and forcing other people to leave their places. We are all human beings.

 

[elektra]

Not only in Arabia. They have been killed, persecuted and forced to leave in many places. As well as the Jews themselves have been killing, persecuting and forcing other people to leave their places. We are all human beings.

Except, today, and for the last 2 to 3 hundred years the Jews are in the right

 

[Silver Cat]

Except, today, and for the last 2 to 3 hundred years the Jews are in the right

It depends on your understanding of the word "right". In it's narrow understanding, they are not.

 

[elektra]

It depends on your understanding of the word "right". In it's narrow understanding, they are not.

I could care less what the meaning of, right, is.

Take current events for instance, why should Israel agree to a ceasefire. It is certainly right for Israel not to agree in every sense of the word.

 

[Silver Cat]

I could care less what the meaning of, right, is.

Take current events for instance, why should Israel agree to a ceasefire. It is certainly right for Israel not to agree in every sense of the word.

I don't say, that they should agree to a ceasefire. It is their God-given right to commit suicide (or genocide). They may not even follow the resolutions of SC UN and/or advices of the USA.
The only question here is simple - should we support Israel in their attempt of genocide of Gaza population or we should suggest some kind of a positive solution.

 

[Failzero]

I don't say, that they should agree to a ceasefire. It is their God-given right to commit suicide (or genocide). They may not even follow the resolutions of SC UN and/or advices of the USA.
The only question here is simple - should we support Israel in their attempt of genocide of Gaza population or we should suggest some kind of a positive solution.

Removing HAMAS from Power / Revenge for the 21st Century Holocaust is paramount

 

[Silver Cat]

Removing HAMAS from Power / Revenge for the 21st Century Holocaust is paramount

Revenge (especially indiscriminative murder of civilians) is not a legal option anymore. And removing Hamas from power won't change anything without building of a legal power (which is Palestinian state) in its legal borders.

 

[Shusha]

... we should suggest some kind of a positive solution.

I wish someone would suggest a solution, or even a "right" response, to the unspeakable events of October 7, and how we move forward from that moment.

Edited to add: I hear a lot of "Israel must not ..." but no real solutions.

 

[Failzero]

Revenge (especially indiscriminative murder of civilians) is not a legal option anymore. And removing Hamas from power won't change anything without building of a legal power (which is Palestinian state) in its legal borders.

Killing HAMAS Fighters is a noble cause ( Collateral damage is unavoidable )

 

[Silver Cat]

I wish someone would suggest a solution, or even a "right" response, to the unspeakable events of October 7, and how we move forward from that moment.

Edited to add: I hear a lot of "Israel must not ..." but no real solutions.

The question is, that the "events" started long before October 7, and even long before 1948.
And yes, the real problem is, that Biden's administration just can't suggest any "solution", or even keep complicated things (even unsatisfactory) balanced. We need, and the world needs somebody more effective.

 

[Silver Cat]

Killing HAMAS Fighters is a noble cause ( Collateral damage is unavoidable )

With that level of "collateral damage" they just create more terrorists.