The Trouble With The Two State Solution

Independentthinker said:
The trouble with the two state solution is that it leaves another enemy state on Israel's border, a state which refuses to admit that Israel has a right to exist. A state which will have an army and arm itself for future attacks on Israel. What country on the planet would agree to have a state formed right on their border which would be hell bent on wanting to eliminate you from existence?
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#### The Two-State Solution to the Israel-Palestine Conflict

The two-state solution refers to a proposed resolution to the ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine. It calls for the establishment of an independent state for Palestinians alongside the state of Israel. The boundary between the two states is subject to dispute and negotiation, with Palestinian and Arab leadership demanding full Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in 1967, which is rejected by Israel. The goal of the two-state solution is to achieve a peaceful coexistence between Israelis and Palestinians, with each state having its own sovereignty and self-determination.

#### Historical Background and Challenges

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has a complex history, with various factors contributing to its continuation. Dissent and disruption from extremist groups on both sides have hindered the progress towards a two-state solution. Over the years, there have been instances of violence, assassinations, and attacks that have further complicated the peace process. Additionally, the issue of territorial control and the status of Jerusalem have been major points of contention.

#### Key Elements of the Two-State Solution

The two-state solution encompasses several key elements that need to be addressed for a successful resolution:

1. Territory: The establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel, with the exact boundaries subject to negotiation.
2. Security: Ensuring security for both Israelis and Palestinians, including an end to foreign military occupation for Palestinians and the avoidance of threats to Israeli security.
3. Jerusalem: Determining the status of Jerusalem, which is considered a holy city by both Israelis and Palestinians. The issue of Jerusalem has been a major obstacle in peace negotiations.
4. Refugees: Addressing the issue of Palestinian refugees and their right of return, which has been a contentious issue in the conflict.
5. End of Conflict: Seeking a peace agreement that would end the conflict and lead to normalization of Israel's relations with Arab states.

#### Challenges and Controversies

The two-state solution has faced numerous challenges and controversies, which have hindered its implementation. These include:

1. Dissent and Extremism: Extremist groups on both sides have rejected the two-state solution and resorted to violence, undermining the peace process.
2. Political Divisions: The Palestinian leadership is divided between two governments, making it difficult to reach a unified position on negotiations.
3. Territorial Disputes: The exact boundaries of the two states, including the status of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, have been a major point of contention.
4. Jerusalem: The status of Jerusalem, including its division and control, has been a significant obstacle in peace negotiations.
5. Refugee Issue: The question of Palestinian refugees and their right of return has been a deeply divisive issue in the conflict.

#### Conclusion

The two-state solution remains a widely discussed and debated approach to resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. While it faces significant challenges and obstacles, it continues to be seen by many as the most viable path towards a peaceful coexistence between Israelis and Palestinians.

Just keep watching and watching. I do not think they will stop killing each other. Probably, that area would become another Killing Fields (West Bank - Gaza version) :(

Sources :
1.

2. Two-state solution - Wikipedia

3. Two-state solution | Definition, Facts, History, & Map

4. What Is U.S. Policy on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict?

5. https://carnegieendowment.org/sada/89215

6. What's the Israel-Palestinian conflict about and how did it start?
 
Nobody911 said:
#### The Two-State Solution to the Israel-Palestine Conflict

The two-state solution refers to a proposed resolution to the ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine. It calls for the establishment of an independent state for Palestinians alongside the state of Israel. The boundary between the two states is subject to dispute and negotiation, with Palestinian and Arab leadership demanding full Israeli withdrawal from territories occupied in 1967, which is rejected by Israel. The goal of the two-state solution is to achieve a peaceful coexistence between Israelis and Palestinians, with each state having its own sovereignty and self-determination.

#### Historical Background and Challenges

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has a complex history, with various factors contributing to its continuation. Dissent and disruption from extremist groups on both sides have hindered the progress towards a two-state solution. Over the years, there have been instances of violence, assassinations, and attacks that have further complicated the peace process. Additionally, the issue of territorial control and the status of Jerusalem have been major points of contention.

#### Key Elements of the Two-State Solution

The two-state solution encompasses several key elements that need to be addressed for a successful resolution:

1. Territory: The establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel, with the exact boundaries subject to negotiation.
2. Security: Ensuring security for both Israelis and Palestinians, including an end to foreign military occupation for Palestinians and the avoidance of threats to Israeli security.
3. Jerusalem: Determining the status of Jerusalem, which is considered a holy city by both Israelis and Palestinians. The issue of Jerusalem has been a major obstacle in peace negotiations.
4. Refugees: Addressing the issue of Palestinian refugees and their right of return, which has been a contentious issue in the conflict.
5. End of Conflict: Seeking a peace agreement that would end the conflict and lead to normalization of Israel's relations with Arab states.

#### Challenges and Controversies

The two-state solution has faced numerous challenges and controversies, which have hindered its implementation. These include:

1. Dissent and Extremism: Extremist groups on both sides have rejected the two-state solution and resorted to violence, undermining the peace process.
2. Political Divisions: The Palestinian leadership is divided between two governments, making it difficult to reach a unified position on negotiations.
3. Territorial Disputes: The exact boundaries of the two states, including the status of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, have been a major point of contention.
4. Jerusalem: The status of Jerusalem, including its division and control, has been a significant obstacle in peace negotiations.
5. Refugee Issue: The question of Palestinian refugees and their right of return has been a deeply divisive issue in the conflict.

#### Conclusion

The two-state solution remains a widely discussed and debated approach to resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. While it faces significant challenges and obstacles, it continues to be seen by many as the most viable path towards a peaceful coexistence between Israelis and Palestinians.

Just keep watching and watching. I do not think they will stop killing each other. Probably, that area would become another Killing Fields (West Bank - Gaza version) :(

Sources :
1.

2. Two-state solution - Wikipedia

3. Two-state solution | Definition, Facts, History, & Map

4. What Is U.S. Policy on the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict?

5. https://carnegieendowment.org/sada/89215

6. What's the Israel-Palestinian conflict about and how did it start?
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We can't have a legitimate enemy on the border with Israel with no Israeli control whatsoever. If they want their own state then they have admit Israel has a right to exist and there has to be a way to make sure the state is not used as a base to attack Israel. Since they can't do that, then they should not have their own state.
 
Why are idiots still talking like talking is still an option?
It is no longer a time to talk
 
Fort Fun Indiana said:
The law does not establish Israel as an ethno state. As evidenced by literally every fact available about Israel.

Sorry.
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Instead of maintaining your ignorance read the link that I provided. By law Israel is a Jewish ethnostate.
 
LeroyDumonde said:
Instead of maintaining your ignorance read the link that I provided. By law Israel is a Jewish ethnostate.
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That isn't what the law says, sorry.

Nor is it what the evidence shows.

Looks like your dumb tu quoque point has failed.
 
Fort Fun Indiana said:
That isn't what the law says, sorry.

Nor is it what the evidence shows.

Looks like your dumb tu quoque point has failed.
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The law literally says that Israel is a Jewish state. The article that I cited even quotes it for you. My source isn't David Duke. It's a Jewish run news outlet in Israel.
 
LeroyDumonde said:
The law literally says that Israel is a Jewish state. The article that I cited even quotes it for you. My source isn't David Duke. It's a Jewish run news outlet in Israel.
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Which means nothing at all. You can call it a jewish state or call it "fred". Israel remains only 70% Jewish.

To see an actual ethno state, look at every Arab country around Israel.
 
Fort Fun Indiana said:
Which means nothing at all. You can call it a jewish state or call it "fred". Israel remains only 70% Jewish.

To see an actual ethno state, look at every Arab country around Israel.
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I randomly chose Saudi Arabia for comparison. 10% of its citizens are African. Nearly 40% of its inhabitants are non-Arab. So even by your own standards a country doesn't have to be 100% of a single ethnicity to be an ethnostate. And I remind you again, I'm not the one making the determination that Israel is a Jewish ethnostate. The government of Israel did.
 
TheParser said:
Because no other ethnicity was subjected to a Holocaust.
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  • Every Palestinian child knows that if presidential elections were held today, the terrorist group Hamas would win. The most recent PSR poll, published one month before the Hamas massacre, showed that 58% of the Palestinians would vote for Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh as opposed to 37% for Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. The poll also showed that 58% of the Palestinian public supports "armed confrontations and intifada" against Israel.
  • Abbas and the Palestinian Authority have proven again and again that they hate Israel as much, if not more, than Hamas hates Israel.
  • There is a dangerously false idea that Abbas or any other Palestinian leader would rein in Hamas in the West Bank. Abbas has no problem with Hamas operating in the West Bank, as long as the terrorist group is targeting Israel, and not him or the Palestinian Authority leadership.... but everyone who lives in the West Bank and Gaza Strip knows that this is a lethal lie.
  • Creating a Palestinian state in the West Bank would mean turning it into another Iran-led base for Jihad against Jews.

www.gatestoneinstitute.org

The 'Two-State' Solution to Murder Jews

Every Palestinian child knows that if presidential elections were held today, the terrorist group Hamas would win. The most recent PSR poll, published one month before the Hamas massacre, showed that 58% of the Palestinians would vote for Hamas leader
www.gatestoneinstitute.org www.gatestoneinstitute.org
 
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