The Math Proves Which Side To Support

[Shusha]

I'd like to believe that there are Gazans who are willing to live in peace, the problem is that I don't see them. All I see are what Hamas wants to show us. Are there dissenters? I don't know. Probably not because dissention means isolation or death.

Do you follow Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib?

And it's hard for me to accept that there are Palestinians who can meet the standards given all their actions the last 20 years.

I know, I understand. I am ever hopeful.

I don't know about you, but 10/7 made me feel stupid and naive. I had supported a 2SS for 20 years and 10/7 was like a big middle finger to the 2SS. That was about as far from a 2SS as you can get. I do not support a 2SS solution anymore because I don't think it's possible for Palestinians to change.

October 7 was a moment from which we can never return. The shift in Israeli thinking was swift and non-negotiable. I agree. I have long been a supporter of a 2 (really a 3 or a 4 or an 8) state solution. Now, in my opinion, we need two generations or five decades of Israeli control. At minimum. I can't see any way around it. But that said, if we can find some that we can work with, instead of working against, I think that is the best long-term plan for both people's future.

 

[gipper]

Do you follow Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib?

I know, I understand. I am ever hopeful.

October 7 was a moment from which we can never return. The shift in Israeli thinking was swift and non-negotiable. I agree. I have long been a supporter of a 2 (really a 3 or a 4 or an 8) state solution. Now, in my opinion, we need two generations or five decades of Israeli control. At minimum. I can't see any way around it. But that said, if we can find some that we can work with, instead of working against, I think that is the best long-term plan for both people's future.

Here is yet another atrocity you know nothing about.

 

[yidnar]

"The Nazi Roots of Islamist Hate​

In early June 1946, Haj Amin el-Husseini, also known as the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, escaped from a year of pleasant house arrest in France and flew to Cairo. Husseini, by then often referred to in Egypt simply as “the Mufti,” was internationally renowned as a collaborator with Nazi Germany as a result of his meeting with Adolf Hitler in Berlin in November 1941, and his Arabic language tirades to “kill the Jews” broadcast to the Middle East on the Third Reich’s short wave radio transmitters.

Husseini was a key figure in an ideological and political fusion between Nazism and Islamism that achieved critical mass between 1941 and 1945 in Nazi Germany, and whose adherents sought to block the United Nations Partition Plan to establish an Arab and a Jewish state in former British Mandate Palestine, helping to define the boundaries of Arab politics for decades thereafter."

Nazi Antisemitism & Islamist Hate​

A review of recent scholarship on the shaping of the modern Middle East in the aftermath of the Holocaust

www.tabletmag.com

more proof that Islamist's hate of Jewish people dates back long before the Jews returned to Israel ..

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Do you follow Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib?

What did he do to prevent 10/7 or help the Jewish hostages who were tortured for two years?

Nothing.

Absolutely nothing.

No one in Gaza did anything to show that they opposed what happened on 10/7. Not a single person. Not a single person risked anything to get the hostages to safety. Even in Nazi Germany there were Germans who risked their lives to save Jews.

No such people exist in Gaza. They made that clear to you, me, and everyone else who supported a 2SS that they want the jihad and martyrdom. Their actions over the last 20 years are indications that a 2SS won't be accepted by those wretched people. It simply won't.

So we need to stop kidding ourselves and face the reality; the Gaza death cult cannot be deprogrammed. Once martyrdom is placed above everything else in society, that society is dead and gone.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

know, I understand. I am ever hopeful.

Is it hope or naivety?

October 7 was a moment from which we can never return. The shift in Israeli thinking was swift and non-negotiable. I agree. I have long been a supporter of a 2 (really a 3 or a 4 or an 8) state solution. Now, in my opinion, we need two generations or five decades of Israeli control. At minimum. I can't see any way around it. But that said, if we can find some that we can work with, instead of working against, I think that is the best long-term plan for both people's future.

I think that just places too much risk on Israel without any conditions placed on Palestinians and that isn't fair.

The Palestinians are not Israel's responsibility. They have no stake to claim. They have no right to demand. They chose to be led by those genocidal freaks. All their choice. At what point are they going to be held responsible for their poor choices?

It's not Israel's job to care for the Palestinian people. That is what Hamas and the PA were elected to do. The fact that all they've done is encourage jihad is all that you need to know about them.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

That's what was reported in Haaretz from credible sources.

Appeal to authority, and no, not everything has been reported. Or it has and you just ignored it.

The question of when and for how long, and the fact that no one is saying that, should lead you down a path where you are skeptical of claims like that.

When did it start and how long did it last? The answer to that question is pretty critical here.

 

[gipper]

more proof that Islamist's hate of Jewish people dates back long before the Jews returned to Israel ..

Projection again.

Muslims didn’t commit the Holocaust. Do you know who did?

Jews lived in peace throughout the Muslim world for centuries, while they suffered greatly in Christian Europe for centuries.

Do you know anything other than Zionist propaganda you lap up from Fox News.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Had anyone else secretly funded Hamas leadership suitcase full of $35MM in cash -- even once, what would you say? Don't lie

No, because of the other people funding Hamas are giving them 100x that. That's how almost every Hamas leader ended up becoming billionaires.

Explain how $35M supposedly from Israel made billionaires out of every terrorist leader?

This is a math question.

 

[Shusha]

What did he do to prevent 10/7 or help the Jewish hostages who were tortured for two years?

Nothing.

Absolutely nothing.

Well, he wasn't IN Gaza during the war, so he didn't do anything directly. He was not involved in the hostage negotiations. But he did meet with members of Congress to urge a hostage release. So there is that.

Oh, and he has been working tirelessly to change the narrative and hold the people of Gaza accountable for their own future. He started an organization Realign for Palestine which rejects violence and seeks to build a mutually beneficial future for Arabs and Jews in Israel/Palestine.

 

[Shusha]

Is it hope or naivety?

Probably a bit of both. But its also some knowledge of Israelis and Arabs who are working together for peaceful solutions for the future.

I think that just places too much risk on Israel without any conditions placed on Palestinians and that isn't fair.

"Fair", at this point seems a little strange coming from someone who would forcibly displace 2 million people? 5 million people?

I disagree. The solution proposed places conditions on both peoples, with all those working in the joint project being volunteers. If you mean that Israel will remain responsible for its own security, against Gaza, Palestine, and all the other groups or States that wish to do her harm, well, yeah, there is no getting away from that.

The Palestinians are not Israel's responsibility. They have no stake to claim. They have no right to demand. They chose to be led by those genocidal freaks. All their choice. At what point are they going to be held responsible for their poor choices?

It's not Israel's job to care for the Palestinian people. That is what Hamas and the PA were elected to do. The fact that all they've done is encourage jihad is all that you need to know about them.

Sure. But living next to a successful State is much more likely to be peaceful than living next to several failed States with corrupt leaders and extremist religious tendencies.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, because of the other people funding Hamas are giving them 100x that. That's how almost every Hamas leader ended up becoming billionaires.

Explain how $35M supposedly from Israel made billionaires out of every terrorist leader?

This is a math question.

I couldn't make any sense of this the first few times I read it

I still can't

Hamas billionaires?

 

[Shusha]

Hamas billionaires?

Hamas leaders worth $11 billion.

 

[yidnar]

Projection again.

Muslims didn’t commit the Holocaust. Do you know who did?

Jews lived in peace throughout the Muslim world for centuries, while they suffered greatly in Christian Europe for centuries.

Do you know anything other than Zionist propaganda you lap up from Fox News.

Hitler was allied with Islamic leaders .. the Grand Mufti was one such leader allies with Hitler ..