Zone1 The Ten Commandments don't apply to us.

[The Irish Ram]

"You dispute HE, who You proclaim to Believe in.

Mat 19:16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

I'm not the One who is disputing The Teachings of The Messiah,..... So Who is "Nuts"?

Who was that man talking to? A Jewish Rabbi. Who was Jesus talking to? A Jewish man. That's why Jesus told the man to keep the laws he was under.
Jesus gave us two commandments. And if you keep those, Jesus said you have fulfilled 613 Jewish laws including the 10 that He sent Moses down the mountain with.

But you don't believe Him when He tells us exactly how to fulfill the law. HE EVEN QUOTES THE LAWS HE REPLACED!!! It's the very ten that you insist we put our selves under. They are the specific laws that His better covenant replaces!!!

Read it. Listen to what Jesus says you can do with your 10:
Romans 13:8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore, love is the fulfillment of the law.

What He replaced the 10+ with:
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.” – John 13:34

If Jesus can't convince you, neither can I...

 

[frigidweirdo]

The story says the ark was "lifted up', not swept away, and it "went on the flood", meaning that it allowed the water to carry it along.

I went for hot air balloon ride in winds of 15 mph. However, because we were 'going on the wind' there was no apparent wind in the basket. Same with the ark, which was going the same speed as the flood waters. As such there was no undue strain on the ark's structure. Simple physics.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 7 - New Living Translation

The Flood Covers the Earth - When everything was ready, the LORD said to Noah, “Go into the boat with all your family, for among all the people of the earth, I can see that you alone are righteous. Take with you seven pairs—male and female—of each animal I have approved for eating and for...

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"7 He went on board the boat to escape the flood"

"13 That very day Noah had gone into the boat with his wife and his sons—Shem, Ham, and Japheth—and their wives."

"14 With them in the boat were pairs of every kind of animal"

"15 Two by two they came into the boat, representing every living thing that breathes. "

"17 For forty days the floodwaters grew deeper, covering the ground and lifting the boat high above the earth."

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 7 - 1599 Geneva Bible

1 Noah and his enter into the Ark. 20 The flood destroyeth all the rest upon the earth. And the Lord said unto Noah, Enter thou and all thine house into the Ark: for thee have I seen righteous before me in this age. Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female...

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This one says "Ark" instead boat.

But clearly some people think an "Ark" is just a "boat".

And whether the water allowed it to carry to boat or not, doesn't matter at all, a boat can be carried along.

In fact, in those days all boats were lifted up and carried along because they didn't have motors.

 

[rosends]

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 7 - New Living Translation

The Flood Covers the Earth - When everything was ready, the LORD said to Noah, “Go into the boat with all your family, for among all the people of the earth, I can see that you alone are righteous. Take with you seven pairs—male and female—of each animal I have approved for eating and for...

www.biblegateway.com

"7 He went on board the boat to escape the flood"

"13 That very day Noah had gone into the boat with his wife and his sons—Shem, Ham, and Japheth—and their wives."

"14 With them in the boat were pairs of every kind of animal"

"15 Two by two they came into the boat, representing every living thing that breathes. "

"17 For forty days the floodwaters grew deeper, covering the ground and lifting the boat high above the earth."

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 7 - 1599 Geneva Bible

1 Noah and his enter into the Ark. 20 The flood destroyeth all the rest upon the earth. And the Lord said unto Noah, Enter thou and all thine house into the Ark: for thee have I seen righteous before me in this age. Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female...

www.biblegateway.com

This one says "Ark" instead boat.

But clearly some people think an "Ark" is just a "boat".

And whether the water allowed it to carry to boat or not, doesn't matter at all, a boat can be carried along.

In fact, in those days all boats were lifted up and carried along because they didn't have motors.

Please explain - why would anyone argue the science worthiness of a biblical miracle? Do we think that God, who was going to get all the animals there, and keep them from eating each other etc Drew the line at buoyancy?

If he can create the world miracle-sealing a boat is easy.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Please explain - why would anyone argue the science worthiness of a biblical miracle? Do we think that God, who was going to get all the animals there, and keep them from eating each other etc Drew the line at buoyancy?

If he can create the world miracle-sealing a boat is easy.

My argument on this thread is that Christians cherry pick what they want from the Bible.

These Christians are trying to prove they don't, by cherry picking from the Bible.

 

[rosends]

My argument on this thread is that Christians cherry pick what they want from the Bible.

These Christians are trying to prove they don't, by cherry picking from the Bible.

OK. It just seems that worrying about the science of the ark is a waste of time.

 

[frigidweirdo]

OK. It just seems that worrying about the science of the ark is a waste of time.

This whole forum is a waste of time.

I come on here to use my brain. I do that.

Most others just do it to entertain themselves.

 

[Woodznutz]

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 7 - New Living Translation

The Flood Covers the Earth - When everything was ready, the LORD said to Noah, “Go into the boat with all your family, for among all the people of the earth, I can see that you alone are righteous. Take with you seven pairs—male and female—of each animal I have approved for eating and for...

www.biblegateway.com

"7 He went on board the boat to escape the flood"

"13 That very day Noah had gone into the boat with his wife and his sons—Shem, Ham, and Japheth—and their wives."

"14 With them in the boat were pairs of every kind of animal"

"15 Two by two they came into the boat, representing every living thing that breathes. "

"17 For forty days the floodwaters grew deeper, covering the ground and lifting the boat high above the earth."

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 7 - 1599 Geneva Bible

1 Noah and his enter into the Ark. 20 The flood destroyeth all the rest upon the earth. And the Lord said unto Noah, Enter thou and all thine house into the Ark: for thee have I seen righteous before me in this age. Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female...

www.biblegateway.com

This one says "Ark" instead boat.

But clearly some people think an "Ark" is just a "boat".

And whether the water allowed it to carry to boat or not, doesn't matter at all, a boat can be carried along.

In fact, in those days all boats were lifted up and carried along because they didn't have motors.

If a nautical term was applied to the ark, it would be a "barge".

A ship or boat must be able to be navigated. This was done by a tiller. Propulsion was done via sail or oars. The ark had none of these.

 

[BreezeWood]

“Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

what the person asked is not the reply given ( “Why do you call me good? ) - the 4th century embellishment - " No one is good but one, that is, God. " is a ridiculous response as all in the heavens are proven to be there, the claimed god they may worship is no different -

nor are many in garden earth not good - noah and those saved were more good than bad ... the heavenly goal granted a&e is to triumph in good vs evil as the means to acquire judgement for admission to the everlasting.

there are no commandments from the heavens - those madeup were destroyed by either the liar himself or from the heavens to the liar to do so.

 

[Hafar1014]

what the person asked is not the reply given ( “Why do you call me good? ) - the 4th century embellishment - " No one is good but one, that is, God. " is a ridiculous response as all in the heavens are proven to be there, the claimed god they may worship is no different -

nor are many in garden earth not good - noah and those saved were more good than bad ... the heavenly goal granted a&e is to triumph in good vs evil as the means to acquire judgement for admission to the everlasting.

there are no commandments from the heavens - those madeup were destroyed by either the liar himself or from the heavens to the liar to do so.

Gibberish

 

[BreezeWood]

The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself."

that is not true - all above are subjective, a slave "steals a loaf of bred" will be its own judgement ... as far as commandments.

- otherwise that is true of the entire time and events of the 1st century, jesus the repudiation of judaism.

stone throwing: jews - christians - muslims ... righteousness is the certain path to evil for all three desert religions.

 

[BreezeWood]

Gibberish

oh,

could it be ... some just do not know how to read and whip their dog to help themselves cope with their feeble lives.

 

[ding]

oh,

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could it be ... some just do not know how to read and whip their dog to help themselves cope with their feeble lives.

I can't imagine anyone having a more feeble life than you and hafar.

 

[ding]

Please explain - why would anyone argue the science worthiness of a biblical miracle? Do we think that God, who was going to get all the animals there, and keep them from eating each other etc Drew the line at buoyancy?

If he can create the world miracle-sealing a boat is easy.

Do you believe the account of the flood is a literal rendition of the events?

 

[rosends]

Do you believe the account of the flood is a literal rendition of the events?

the word "literal" is a difficult one. Let's say that I don't read it as metaphor.

 

[BreezeWood]

I can't imagine anyone having a more feeble life than you and hafar.

really ...

they say some have no reflection when seen through a mirror - try some garlic and a walk in the sun that should help your imagination.

 

[ding]

the word "literal" is a difficult one. Let's say that I don't read it as metaphor.

Do you believe in evolution?

 

[ding]

really ...

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they say some have no reflection when seen through a mirror - try some garlic and a walk in the sun that should help your imagination.

Maybe try reading what you write.

 

[rosends]

Do you believe in evolution?

yes.

 

[norwegen]

Sabbath Worship? Christians worship and take communion on the 1st day of the week not on any Sabbath. (Acts 20:7)

That passage doesn’t mention a sabbath. The first Christians broke bread as they pleased, not on any special day (Acts 2:46).

What about the 10 commandments from the old law carried forth in the N.T. law and failure to abide by such is a sin as stated in scripture?

Commandment 1. No other God's before Me. O.T. (Ex. 20:3)........N.T. (1 Cor. 10:21-22). No. 2. No graven images. O.T. (Ex. 20:4) N.T. (1 Cor.6:9-10) No. 3. O.T. (Ex.20:6) No. 4. O.T. (Ex. 20:8) Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy.........N.T.? "Let no man judge you in food or drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or SABBATHS, which are a shadow of things to come." -- Col. 2:15-17.

Paul is addressing Jews. The first Christians were Jews. The Sabbath and Jewish New Moon observances (Rosh Chodesh & Tishrei) were of no concern to the pagans or of any of the foreigners who would eventually start trickling into the fold.

The Jewish Christians were still attending temple (Acts 2:46) and abiding temple law, though by the time of the destruction of the temple and the dissolution of the Law and Prophets, they were largely ignoring Moses in favor of the more excellent way (1 Cor 12:31). The Jews were still struggling with Mosaic Law while simultaneously realizing that God’s law is in their hearts as summarized by both Jesus and Paul.

What you say here does not extend to you or me or anyone else today. It doesn’t apply.

All other commandments are carried forth into N.T. Law ( commandment 5. Eph. 6:2-3). (commandment 6. Romans 13:9). (commandment 7. Romans 13:9). (Commandment 8. Romans 13:9) (Commandment 9. Romans 13:9) (Commandment 10. Romans 13:9)

Yep. For the Jews, all the commandments are summed up in the Christian law and the believer’s heart. Mosaic Law is null and void.

As for the foreign believers entering the fold – meh, the Law is no loss. No big deal. It never applied to them in the first place.

 

[ding]

yes.

Do you believe the entire planet was flooded as told in the flood account?