Zone1 The Ten Commandments don't apply to us.

[Woodznutz]

If people were sheep and did what they were told, yes, it'd be easier for those governing.

Cheaper as well.

 

[Woodznutz]

The purpose of the ten commandments is to convince sinners they need The Savior.

According to the Bible the Laws were intended to make Israel a great nation. At that time Israel had no notion of a 'savior', although it was implicit in the sacrificial system. They were happy to pay for their sins by sacrificing some of their animals.

The Law can't save us, only faith in the saving power of Christ can.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Nobody said they did. They just did not give US government the power to mandate, or enforce, either way.
I guess the schools may be forced to stick with the founding documents and let the Ten Commandments be taught in the churches, or face lawsuits from any non Christians or atheists, having it forced on their young in the public schools.

Many uphold. that The Bible, & The Study of it, as well as the Ten Commandments being posted in America's Classrooms, ..... Should not be allowed, & that The Founding Fathers never intended for it to be. ------- That's a Wagon load of "Political/Cultural Bullshit"!

America Absolutely was a Nation explicitly founded upon Biblical Beliefs & Values.

And yet,.... During My Lifetime,......Beginning in small increments, & then turning in to a flood, America has turned it's back upon those "Beliefs & Values".

The Shocking part is that now, even Our so called Conservative, "Lord proclaiming" Political, & Religious Leaders, have assisted in bringing this corruption about.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Fact: All the 10 commandmentd carried over from the Old Law into the New Testament Law of Christ Jesus, save one, the command to worship on any Sabbath. All the other 9 commandments can be documented by Book, Chapter and Verse as doctrine from Christ Jesus.

Sabbath Worship? Christians worship and take communion on the 1st day of the week not on any Sabbath. (Acts 20:7)

What about the 10 commandments from the old law carried forth in the N.T. law and failure to abide by such is a sin as stated in scripture?

Commandment 1. No other God's before Me. O.T. (Ex. 20:3)........N.T. (1 Cor. 10:21-22). No. 2. No graven images. O.T. (Ex. 20:4) N.T. (1 Cor.6:9-10) No. 3. O.T. (Ex.20:6) No. 4. O.T. (Ex. 20:8) Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy.........N.T.? "Let no man judge you in food or drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or SABBATHS, which are a shadow of things to come." -- Col. 2:15-17.

The Lord's Day (Sunday, first day of the week) replaces Sabbath worship. (Rev. 1:10, Acts 20:7) Examples of Lord's day worship.

All other commandments are carried forth into N.T. Law ( commandment 5. Eph. 6:2-3). (commandment 6. Romans 13:9). (commandment 7. Romans 13:9). (Commandment 8. Romans 13:9) (Commandment 9. Romans 13:9) (Commandment 10. Romans 13:9)

The scriptures are clear if you attempt go back and worship ONE LAW from the O.T. not carried forth as Christian Doctrine......you must worship the entire law. Not even the Jews of today abide by the entirety of the Old Testament Laws. (Gal. 5:2-4)

The Messiah taught the Keeping of the Ten Commandments.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

According to the Bible the Laws were intended to make Israel a great nation. At that time Israel had no notion of a 'savior', although it was implicit in the sacrificial system. They were happy to pay for their sins by sacrificing some of their animals.

The Law can't save us, only faith in the saving power of Christ can.

Both are required.

 

[Woodznutz]

Both are required.

The law as changed by Christ.

 

[BreezeWood]

And it's still very hard to repeal. The Commandments are part and parcel of the history of law, indeed the very foundation of modern law.

there has never been a period of history the desert religions have not been at the forefront of persecution and victimization of the innocent - slavery as one example ... the use of their commandments, bibles as their justification.

they are the concoction of a murder and liar, moses who claimed heavenly tablets they destroyed themself before ever being witnessed by anyone -

- used by stone throwing jews and all three desert religions for the same nefarious purposes throughout the centuries as terrorist organizations.

 

[BreezeWood]

From another perspective: The Ten Commandments are our gift to receive, not something that is imposed.

those false commandments being in all three desert bibles without verification is purely an autocratic display of self indulgence made by one group to use against all others those few disagree with for what is truly heavenly.

there are no commandments or laws from the heavens - anyone can prove and are deceitful to the highest level to claim otherwise.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The commandments are the eternally righteous Laws of the Father

Then by all means, put yourself under the law. I am going in this direction:
Hebrews 8:6-9 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
It's better...

 

[frigidweirdo]

A box is much stronger structure than a ship. And, the ark "went on the flood", it didn't fight currents as do ships.

A box that is 450 feet long is not going to be any stronger than a ship.

As for "it didn't fight currents".... you're just making that up now.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Are you nuts?

"You dispute HE, who You proclaim to Believe in.

Mat 19:16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

I'm not the One who is disputing The Teachings of The Messiah,..... So Who is "Nuts"?

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Nobody said they did. They just did not give US government the power to mandate, or enforce, either way.
I guess the schools may be forced to stick with the founding documents and let the Ten Commandments be taught in the churches, or face lawsuits from any non Christians or atheists, having it forced on their young in the public schools.

"Forced"?

In Today's America, where Proclaiming a Belief in Our Creator/Savior, is not as popular as it was in the 1960s, & before then?

"Forced"? .....In Today's America, where the "Family Unit", has lost it's status, and many school systems have more power over Our children than the Parents do?

"Forced"?,.... Where Prayer now has to be taken out to the "Flag Pole", while the Teaching of Faggotry, Transgenderism, and Islam are acceptable in Our Schools?
"Forced"?

When I went to Public School,,........ Lakota High School, had "Gun Clubs", "Rocket Clubs", & even "Chemistry Clubs". It was common to see a rifle, or shotgun hung in a gun rack, at the rear window of the many pick up trucks in Lakota's parking lot. There was No Public Display of Faggotry, in the School System, and Abortion was not a Federal Right.

With the physical presence, of Fire arms at Lakota High School,..... There never was a shooting, nor the threat of one!

When Prayer, & The Bible, as well as The Ten Commandments were "Forced put of Our School Systems",..... The morality within Our Public Schools rapidly disappeared, & soon,.... Drugs, Violence, Faggotry, Shootings, & more, became the "New Normal", which was quickly followed by "Police Officers", or "Armed Security Officers" being placed in the Schools.

What is "Forced" now, in My Belief, is the ever growing Immorality, Self Centeredness, Greed, & Godlessness, in Our Public School Systems.

No One, while I attended Public School, was "Forced" to join in the 'Morning Prayer", nor any discussion about The Bible, nor even to Stand, & Recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the American Flag.

 

[markef]

From another perspective: The Ten Commandments are our gift to receive, not something that is imposed.

Analogy: Education is our gift to receive. Throughout our education we are going to make errors, come up with wrong answers, and along the way forget what was taught or the purpose of what was taught. However, unless we drop out, by the teachers in our midst, we are assured of graduation.

God is in our midst, not to condemn, but to extend a hand and both forgive and save us all the times we stumble and fall short.

No one is ashamed that along the way, they need a teacher; nor should we be ashamed--only grateful--that along the way we can use a savior.

Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

According to the Bible the Laws were intended to make Israel a great nation. At that time Israel had no notion of a 'savior', although it was implicit in the sacrificial system. They were happy to pay for their sins by sacrificing some of their animals.

The Law can't save us, only faith in the saving power of Christ can.

Mat 19:16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

The law as changed by Christ.

Mat 19:16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

 

[markef]

According to the Bible the Laws were intended to make Israel a great nation. At that time Israel had no notion of a 'savior', although it was implicit in the sacrificial system. They were happy to pay for their sins by sacrificing some of their animals.

The Law can't save us, only faith in the saving power of Christ can.

The Bible does not say laws were given to make Israel great but to keep sinners in check and show them their need for forgiveness of their sins and their need for The Savior, The Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 1

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

The Bible does not say laws were given to make Israel great but to keep sinners in check and show them their need for forgiveness of their sins and their need for The Savior, The Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 1

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

Exo 19:3 Moses went up to God, and Yahweh called to him out of the mountain, saying, “This is what you shall tell the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel:
Exo 19:4 ‘You have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles’ wings, and brought you to myself.
Exo 19:5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice, and keep my covenant, then you shall be my own possession from among all peoples; for all the earth is mine;
Exo 19:6 and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation.’ These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.”

Deu 28:1 It shall happen, if you shall listen diligently to Yahweh your God’s voice, to observe to do all his commandments which I command you today, that Yahweh your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth.
Deu 28:2 All these blessings will come upon you, and overtake you, if you listen to Yahweh your God’s voice.
Deu 28:3 You shall be blessed in the city, and you shall be blessed in the field.
Deu 28:4 You shall be blessed in the fruit of your body, the fruit of your ground, the fruit of your animals, the increase of your livestock, and the young of your flock.
Deu 28:5 Your basket and your kneading trough shall be blessed.
Deu 28:6 You shall be blessed when you come in, and you shall be blessed when you go out.
Deu 28:7 Yahweh will cause your enemies who rise up against you to be struck before you. They will come out against you one way, and will flee before you seven ways.
Deu 28:8 Yahweh will command the blessing on you in your barns, and in all that you put your hand to. He will bless you in the land which Yahweh your God gives you.
Deu 28:9 Yahweh will establish you for a holy people to himself, as he has sworn to you, if you shall keep the commandments of Yahweh your God, and walk in his ways.
Deu 28:10 All the peoples of the earth shall see that you are called by Yahweh’s name, and they will be afraid of you.
Deu 28:11 Yahweh will grant you abundant prosperity, in the fruit of your body, in the fruit of your livestock, and in the fruit of your ground, in the land which Yahweh swore to your fathers to give you.
Deu 28:12 Yahweh will open to you his good treasure in the sky, to give the rain of your land in its season, and to bless all the work of your hand. You will lend to many nations, and you will not borrow.
Deu 28:13 Yahweh will make you the head, and not the tail. You will be above only, and you will not be beneath; if you listen to the commandments of Yahweh your God, which I command you today, to observe and to do,
Deu 28:14 and shall not turn away from any of the words which I command you today, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

 

[Woodznutz]

A box that is 450 feet long is not going to be any stronger than a ship.

As for "it didn't fight currents".... you're just making that up now.

The story says the ark was "lifted up', not swept away, and it "went on the flood", meaning that it allowed the water to carry it along.

I went for hot air balloon ride in winds of 15 mph. However, because we were 'going on the wind' there was no apparent wind in the basket. Same with the ark, which was going the same speed as the flood waters. As such there was no undue strain on the ark's structure. Simple physics.

 

[Woodznutz]

Mat 19:16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Jesus was toying with him.

 

[Woodznutz]

The Bible does not say laws were given to make Israel great but to keep sinners in check and show them their need for forgiveness of their sins and their need for The Savior, The Lord Jesus Christ

See post #437