Zone1 The Ten Commandments don't apply to us.

[TruthSeeker112125]

and yet its the left that blocked the Ten Commandments from being displayed in public schools and court houses ..

So, why hasn't the "Right", especially Reagan's time as POTUS, reestablish them?

Why hasn't Trump brought them back?

 

[hobelim]

A meteor strike would certainly do it, either land or water. Water would cause floods, land would be something like Sodom and Gomorrah.

It is interesting to note that, according to the Bible, the next time the world will be destroyed is by fire, something that will even set the atmosphere on fire, only possible if by another meteor or asteroid strike which would make the whole earth uninhabitable in just one day.

"But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. (2 Peter 3:10)

"That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat." (2 Peter 3:12)

 

[BackAgain]

Yeah, I do.

No. You don’t. If he writes something that you believe is irrelevant, you can say it. But you cannot unilaterally determine it.

If he writes something that has nothing to do with what I wrote, I can decide how I respond or whether I respond.

The issue is not whether you choose to respond. Nobody places much(if any) value in what you say, anyway.

He doesn't have to reply to what I wrote and I don't have to reply to him.

So? Nobody said otherwise. But your argument is beside the point. The point is that just because you see a reply as being off topic or irrelevant does not mean it is.

That's how it goes.

Wrong again.

As I noted earlier, an analogy may seem like it’s irrelevant, but that doesn’t. Make it irrelevant. You, in the darkness of your pathetic and endless ignorance, may not grasp why something IS relevant. But that’s of no importance.

You don’t like it? Tough shit. That’s how it goes.

 

[jacksonlamb]

I know its difficult for you to face the possible collapse of your psyche. There is nothing more terrifying to the human mind than change. So, grow a set. Not it is not? seriously? lol.

So you cannot discuss the topic and will troll instead. Nothing new.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Hobelim is no prophet, no seer, no messiah.

Neither am I, but I think most of us would know that.

 

[Meriweather]

A local flood or even regional doesn't matter as long as it was a natural phenomenon.

To claim God did it to punish mankind would be limiting God if it didn't kill off all people around the world.

I believe it was a natural phenomenon. Knowing that the Hebrew bible tells us that God's nature is perfect and unchanging; that He exists outside of time and therefore knows the beginning and the end; that he saw His creation as very good--we return to what the original author was conveying to his original audience. It is natural for humans, upon the death of those close to them, to wish community relationships had been better, to come face-to-face with what they should have done better.

Again, this next are the thoughts of a Jewish rabbi or scholar who pointed out that Genesis tells us words have power. It seems before the flood, in everyday lives, people had been quarrelsome gossips, possibly bearing false witness against their neighbors. He notes that throughout the story, Noah doesn't speak. Some hold this against Noah, pointing out that when God told Abraham he was going to destroy the city, Abraham argued this fate with God. Noah did not argue with God this was too harsh a punishment. The different perspective is that a person would have stood out in a community where if he couldn't find something good to say about someone, he kept quiet. I believe the author was pointing out that unrest and bad things come from words, and the lesson is that everyone should watch carefully what they say, which Noah did, pre-flood. He was known as a righteous man.

The story continues, and the first words we hear from Noah is when he curses one of his grandsons. This caused a rift in the family, and so it all starts again, family turning against family, community against community.

I love the story of Noah's Ark.

 

[hobelim]

So you cannot discuss the topic and will troll instead. Nothing new.

Stop with your BS. You asked for evidence of an impact on water and I showed you. Loser.

Its the most plausible explanation for what people on every continent recorded. I showed you that the story does indeed describe an impact on the ocean, "the fountains of the deep opened up" was their way of describing what they could not comprehend, water from the sea rising up into and beyond the stratosphere which would have made it visible from Israel.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Really? I think the founding fathers were pretty clear, the government leadership is not to pick and choose on religious matters put out by government sources to the public. I think they were afraid somebody would force religious doctrine, on people that could not resist, either not having the means or possibly the maturity. Personally, I think churches, pastors, Grand Druids, Priests, Rabbis, Scientology Executives, Whitch Doctors, Swamis, Gurus, native holy men and medicine men, as well as those strange guys on the corners with their little signs and predictions of the end, are far better suited to practicing, proselytizing, converting, recruiting for their religious beliefs. Heck, we even have nut balls that think Trump is and incarnation of a deity. What if the next elected leader is some kind of lying, mind control snake, like Jim Jones, ready to lead the masses to drink the Kool-Aid? No. Founding fathers got it right. The government authorities have no place in promoting religion, though it is totally OK for them to practice it, in their private life.

I say this with clear conscious understanding, having been raised the church, (born again) and a student of history and our constitution, so recognize benefit, but also understand the reason to no let government authority impose selection of religion or religious texts to be mandatorily displayed or promoted.

The Founding Fathers did not, in the majority , deny an Almighty GOD, nor the Right to Worship Him.

What they were solidly against was the creation of a "State Religion", such as England's.

If Your Belief were True,.... Then there would not exist, any reference, to Our Creator, in many Historical, & Federal Documents, nor publicly exhibited on Federal Buildings/Monuments.

Again, it was their being against a "State Religion", ...... Not being against any belief in "GOD".

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

In Today's America,.... Far to many Americans do not stand upon, nor refernce that Truth that Yidnar.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Which has nothing to do with the Ten Commandments. Every single religion on earth recognizes a single or multiple deities, as being or connected to the creator. Recognition of a creator is not endemic solely to Judaism or any single Abrahamic monotheistic religion, past or present.

That is One Piece of the Full Picture, that the Puzzle displays.

Having a set of Automobile Keys alone, will not get You to Walmart,.... There are many factors that are involved, that will eventually get You there.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

As sound advice, the 10 Commandments are worthy. As a religion, we are not under Mosaic Law. In fact if you believe you are under 10 Mosaic laws, then you are required to keep all 600+ of the rest of the Law. If you believe they are a requirement that you are obligated to follow, and you break one, you have broken all 600 Jewish Laws. They were not designed for the Gentiles.

We are warned not to add to or take away from God's word. To make the 10 commandments universal, that is exactly what we have done. Had we not done that, we would know exactly who they were meant for.
The actual commandment #1:

	“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.

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It does not apply as a law to anyone who was not in bondage in Egypt. And > all of the Law involves works:

Galatians 3:10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.

We are under a better covenant of grace through faith in Christ.

Having said that, if our children were taught, not to kill, we wouldn't have such a violent generation out in the streets shooting each other. They would respect their parents enough not to disobey. They wouldn't walk inside of stores and help themselves.

The 10 commandments are good words to live by, now laws we are obligated to keep...

Wow!

You dispute HE, who You proclaim to Believe in.

Mat 19:16 Behold, one came to him and said, “Good teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?”
Mat 19:17 He said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

 

[jacksonlamb]

I highly doubt that. And the insistence that God exists IS a religious preference. Unless you think that endorsing theism or, indeed monotheism is acceptable as long as no one names a religion -- is that your position?

You defines no one's position, so there will be no response to that.

Next.

 

[jacksonlamb]

That is One Piece of the Full Picture, that the Puzzle displays.

Having a set of Automobile Keys alone, will not get You to Walmart,.... There are many factors that are involved, that will eventually get You there.

Oh, you a sophist, not a believer.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

The Ten Commandments are moral law, and according to Moses, were written in stone by the finger of God. Jesus is the Word of God, and he commanded, "If you love me, keep my Commandments." This was noted several times, and the rich young man said he had been keeping all of them. Also, Matthew, Chapter 19 has Jesus stating the Commandments we are to keep.

The other 613 laws were civil and ceremonial laws to be followed by the Israelites, as a people set apart.

TRUTH!

And,.... If One studied those "613 Laws",.... They would find that many could not be kept, by Men, or Women, or Children.

And many were forbidden to be practiced by any outside of the Priesthood.

So, the so called "613 Laws" do not "universally apply" to All Yisraelites, but,.... The Ten Commandments Covenant applies to all of Mankind.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Stop with your BS. You asked for evidence of an impact on water and I showed you. Loser.

Its the most plausible explanation for what people on every continent recorded. I showed you that the story does indeed describe an impact on the ocean, "the fountains of the deep opened up" was their way of describing what they could not comprehend, water from the sea rising up into and beyond the stratosphere which would have made it visible from Israel.

Hobelim your opinion is not a factoid. It is not the most plausible opinion. Floods are common trope among ancient myths, all localized to that individual region only.

 

[jacksonlamb]

The Founding Fathers did not, in the majority , deny an Almighty GOD, nor the Right to Worship Him.

What they were solidly against was the creation of a "State Religion", such as England's.

If Your Belief were True,.... Then there would not exist, any reference, to Our Creator, in many Historical, & Federal Documents, nor publicly exhibited on Federal Buildings/Monuments.

Again, it was their being against a "State Religion", ...... Not being against any belief in "GOD".

No one is saying the Founders were against a "god", except maybe Ethan Allen.

 

[hobelim]

Hobelim your opinion is not a factoid.

I said that Blacks and Puerto Ricans have the least amount of Neanderthal DNA.

A nice factoid for all you white supremacists out there.

That is not an opinion, detective.

 

[jacksonlamb]

I said that Blacks and Puerto Ricans have the least amount of Neanderthal DNA.

A nice factoid for all you white supremacists out there.

That is not an opinion, detective.

How am I a white supremacist. God holds all members of our race as equal before him. It does not matter what a Jane or a fundamentalist Mormon, e.g., thinks. You know that.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

The very first of the ten commandments names who they were morally aimed at:

“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.

Jesus had 2 commandments. Love our Father and love each other. If you do that, you have kept the Law. And yet the greatest commandments Christ gave us are not included in the Laws of Moses.

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law? Jesus replied: ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” – Matthew 22:36-40


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If your neighbor bought a new car, and you envied that, and you were told prior to that, that envy was a sin, you would be conscious of and guilty of your sin.
If you were envious of your neighbor but didn't realize that you weren't supposed to envy, you are not charged with or punished for the sin.

“Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.” – Acts 13:39

"Jesus had 2 commandments. Love our Father and love each other. If you do that, you have kept the Law. And yet the greatest commandments Christ gave us are not included in the Laws of Moses."

Mat 22:34 But the Pharisees, when they heard that he had silenced the Sadducees, gathered themselves together.
Mat 22:35 One of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, testing him.
Mat 22:36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the law?”
Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 A second likewise is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
Can You not see that The Mesiah boiled down the TEn Commandments Covenant to it's Finest Essence?
Matthew 22:37
Exo 20:1 God spoke all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 “I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 “You shall not make for yourselves an idol, nor any image of anything that is in the heavens above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 you shall not bow yourself down to them, nor serve them, for I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and on the fourth generation of those who hate me,
Exo 20:6 and showing loving kindness to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 “You shall not take the name of Yahweh your God in vain, for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 You shall labor six days, and do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to Yahweh your God. You shall not do any work in it, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your livestock, nor your stranger who is within your gates;
Exo 20:11 for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy.


Matthew 22:39
Exo 20:12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land which Yahweh your God gives you.
Exo 20:13 “You shall not murder.
Exo 20:14 “You shall not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 “You shall not steal.
Exo 20:16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
Exo 20:17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

The Messiah did not contradict himself when he told the rich man to keep the Commandments if You wish to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Rev 22:12 “Behold, I come quickly. My reward is with me, to repay to each man according to his work.
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Rev 22:14 >>> Blessed are those who do his commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter in by the gates into the city.<<<
Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs, the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

 

[jacksonlamb]

Let's get Hobelim involved with the above and watch the cat's fur fly.