The Stupid Lie called The Theory of Evolution

[sealybobo]

Hey, that's what you and I are trying to figure out, it's a question with no answer, IMO.

Well... YOU haven't figured it out. I think it was Spiritual Nature.

So..you're saying your mind is made up because you THINK it was Spiritual Nature. If you're happy and it works, then that's great. I have already admitted I don't think there is an answer to the man/spirit paradox. That's why Its a paradox. But if you have found an answer that your happy with, then I have no problem with that. We both already acknowledged its impossible to prove. I assume it will always be unanswered for me, and I am ok with that, but I'll keep looking.

Sorry, I don't THINK there is Spiritual Nature, I know there is. People call it faith but it's really not faith for me. I make a connection to Spiritual Nature daily... it's all around me all the time. I feel it, I am comforted by it, I get inspiration from it, I find solace in it, I gain strength from it. I don't feel that I am compelled to have to prove that to anyone, it's my experience. My views are totally rooted in my experience.

I think Spiritual Nature MUST have created physical nature because it is impossible for physical nature to have created itself. Logic dictates that. Nothing needs to explain creation of something spiritual because "creation" is a physical thing.... physical things require creation, spiritual things do not. Something timeless cannot be "made" as this would indicate a beginning. Spiritual Nature doesn't have a beginning or an ending. Time is a parameter of the physical, not the spiritual.

We are physical beings. As such, we are handicapped by time. Nothing in our reality can happen without time passing. All physics requires time. This is why it's impossible to prove Spiritual Nature. Think of it like this... how possible would it be to prove gravity without time? We know gravity exists because we can drop a ball and as time passes, the ball falls to the ground proving gravity... but if there were no time, how could you prove this? You can't even drop the ball without time. So you see, proving things through physics requires time... it's the measuring of things across time. Spirituality is without time... timeless.

The lack of our ability to be able to prove Spiritual Nature doesn't mean it's not there.

And I know macro evolution is true. Only difference is science is on my side

 

[Boss]

And I know macro evolution is true. Only difference is science is on my side

No, science ISN'T on your side. You keep claiming that but it's just not true.

What if I were running around here saying "God is true and science is on my side!"? What would be your response? All you can do is tell me that science isn't on my side and doesn't prove God. I can keep repeating myself and you can keep repeating yourself... where does that get us?

The burden of proof is on the person making the claims. If you think science supports macroevolution, you have to submit the evidence supporting that. It is not up to me to disprove your statement.

 

[sealybobo]

And I know macro evolution is true. Only difference is science is on my side

No, science ISN'T on your side. You keep claiming that but it's just not true.

What if I were running around here saying "God is true and science is on my side!"? What would be your response? All you can do is tell me that science isn't on my side and doesn't prove God. I can keep repeating myself and you can keep repeating yourself... where does that get us?

The burden of proof is on the person making the claims. If you think science supports macroevolution, you have to submit the evidence supporting that. It is not up to me to disprove your statement.

What a hypocrite. Do you even see the spin you produce? It's so funny. Evolution is not a fact but you KNOW your god is real? You make me laugh.

 

[PK1]

And I know macro evolution is true. Only difference is science is on my side

No, science ISN'T on your side. You keep claiming that but it's just not true.

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Quacking science once again?
The scientific consensus IS on his side.
TOE explains common ancestry of ALL animals, plants, etc.
The T in TOE represents theory.

"Spiritual nature" is a fantasy, in comparison.
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[PK1]

Hey, that's what you and I are trying to figure out, it's a question with no answer, IMO.

Well... YOU haven't figured it out. I think it was Spiritual Nature.

Are you quacking "science" again?
LOL.
Or, is "spiritual nature" your attempt at philosophy?

I know, it's hard to come in at the middle and understand what's going on.

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Understand? Beginning, middle, or end, when a scientist-pretender concludes "it was Spiritual Nature", we know we smell delusional thinking.
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[bodecea]

Again, attributing 'creation' to 'God' in such a simplistic fashion is tantamount to accusing 'God' of being idiotic and/or perverse with all the mistakes.

Lol. The sick calls the doctor sick. TOE is simplistic and stupid and crazy all at the same time. Only because of the pressure of the devil people have accepted this stupid lie. To deny this theory does not need brains, it needs power. That I have got.

Actually, the theory of evolution isn't simple...but I find that those who wish to dismiss it are used to thinking in simplistic terms.

 

[sealybobo]

Again, attributing 'creation' to 'God' in such a simplistic fashion is tantamount to accusing 'God' of being idiotic and/or perverse with all the mistakes.

Lol. The sick calls the doctor sick. TOE is simplistic and stupid and crazy all at the same time. Only because of the pressure of the devil people have accepted this stupid lie. To deny this theory does not need brains, it needs power. That I have got.

Actually, the theory of evolution isn't simple...but I find that those who wish to dismiss it are used to thinking in simplistic terms.

We can't prove when/where/how/why life started on earth so they think that means their hypothesis has just as much credibility as our scientific theory. That's a joke. Scientists actually call evolution a scientific fact. That's how sure they are. Too much evidence to have doubt, unless you are a religious nut.

It's insane to go back as far as we can, with everything we know, and everything we don't know, and at the last second try to toss a god who intelligently created us 10,000 years ago. It makes absolutely no sense other than we can't imagine that this all happened "by chance". I think there are infinite universes and they are born and die all the time. Each of them has or had or will have life in them. Why? Maybe there is no why. It is what it is. But theists couldn't be happy not knowing, so they made up several stories that god visited. How many liars who claim to have seen this god have we heard from in our lifetimes? It is so obvious god is a lie. Now I don't think Boss is lying. I think he is lying to himself. He believes what he wants to believe. That's not science. Doesn't matter what you want.

See, that's the difference between me and boss. I don't want there to be evolution. I don't want there to be no god. What I want and what I believe are two different things. Boss wants there to be a god, so no evidence is necessary. I need there to be evidence for evolution and there is tons of it. That's why I believe it. But I'm open to other possibilities. Just not any that require a leap of faith and with zero proof.

Again, why did Moses have to lie? Why did Christians have to make up a messiah story? Why did Mohammad have to lie? Why did Joseph Smith lie? And why did 14.8 million Mormon idiots fall for it?

 

[sealybobo]

Hey, that's what you and I are trying to figure out, it's a question with no answer, IMO.

Well... YOU haven't figured it out. I think it was Spiritual Nature.

Are you quacking "science" again?
LOL.
Or, is "spiritual nature" your attempt at philosophy?

I know, it's hard to come in at the middle and understand what's going on.

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Understand? Beginning, middle, or end, when a scientist-pretender concludes "it was Spiritual Nature", we know we smell delusional thinking.
.

Similarly, biologist Richard Lenski says, "Scientific understanding requires both facts and theories that can explain those facts in a coherent manner. Evolution, in this context, is both a fact and a theory. It is an incontrovertible fact that organisms have changed, or evolved, during the history of life on Earth.

 

[SixFoot]

 

[Boss]

And I know macro evolution is true. Only difference is science is on my side

No, science ISN'T on your side. You keep claiming that but it's just not true.

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Quacking science once again?
The scientific consensus IS on his side.
TOE explains common ancestry of ALL animals, plants, etc.
The T in TOE represents theory.

"Spiritual nature" is a fantasy, in comparison.
.

Not it's not. Spiritual Nature has just as much scientific support.... which is NONE.

Consensus means jack shit.. it's appeal to popularity... has ZERO explanatory value.
TOE explains common ancestry... blah blah blah...
The Bible, Torah, Koran... explains spiritual nature! So fucking what?

What it all boils down to is, you have a faith-based belief in a theory. You think that gives you some kind of right to prance around claiming science is on your side but science doesn't take sides. You're exploiting science to push your faith-based beliefs. You're the quacker here.

 

[sealybobo]

And I know macro evolution is true. Only difference is science is on my side

No, science ISN'T on your side. You keep claiming that but it's just not true.

---
Quacking science once again?
The scientific consensus IS on his side.
TOE explains common ancestry of ALL animals, plants, etc.
The T in TOE represents theory.

"Spiritual nature" is a fantasy, in comparison.
.

Not it's not. Spiritual Nature has just as much scientific support.... which is NONE.

Consensus means jack shit.. it's appeal to popularity... has ZERO explanatory value.
TOE explains common ancestry... blah blah blah...
The Bible, Torah, Koran... explains spiritual nature! So fucking what?

What it all boils down to is, you have a faith-based belief in a theory. You think that gives you some kind of right to prance around claiming science is on your side but science doesn't take sides. You're exploiting science to push your faith-based beliefs. You're the quacker here.

Now I see. You want your theory to carry the same weight as evolution.

It don't. Sorry

 

[sealybobo]

Again, attributing 'creation' to 'God' in such a simplistic fashion is tantamount to accusing 'God' of being idiotic and/or perverse with all the mistakes.

Lol. The sick calls the doctor sick. TOE is simplistic and stupid and crazy all at the same time. Only because of the pressure of the devil people have accepted this stupid lie. To deny this theory does not need brains, it needs power. That I have got.

Actually, the theory of evolution isn't simple...but I find that those who wish to dismiss it are used to thinking in simplistic terms.

We can't prove when/where/how/why life started on earth so they think that means their hypothesis has just as much credibility as our scientific theory. That's a joke. Scientists actually call evolution a scientific fact. That's how sure they are. Too much evidence to have doubt, unless you are a religious nut.

It's insane to go back as far as we can, with everything we know, and everything we don't know, and at the last second try to toss a god who intelligently created us 10,000 years ago. It makes absolutely no sense other than we can't imagine that this all happened "by chance". I think there are infinite universes and they are born and die all the time. Each of them has or had or will have life in them. Why? Maybe there is no why. It is what it is. But theists couldn't be happy not knowing, so they made up several stories that god visited. How many liars who claim to have seen this god have we heard from in our lifetimes? It is so obvious god is a lie. Now I don't think Boss is lying. I think he is lying to himself. He believes what he wants to believe. That's not science. Doesn't matter what you want.

See, that's the difference between me and boss. I don't want there to be evolution. I don't want there to be no god. What I want and what I believe are two different things. Boss wants there to be a god, so no evidence is necessary. I need there to be evidence for evolution and there is tons of it. That's why I believe it. But I'm open to other possibilities. Just not any that require a leap of faith and with zero proof.

Again, why did Moses have to lie? Why did Christians have to make up a messiah story? Why did Mohammad have to lie? Why did Joseph Smith lie? And why did 14.8 million Mormon idiots fall for it?

I just re read my post. I wish I could like my own post

 

[sealybobo]

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And I know macro evolution is true. Only difference is science is on my side

No, science ISN'T on your side. You keep claiming that but it's just not true.

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Quacking science once again?
The scientific consensus IS on his side.
TOE explains common ancestry of ALL animals, plants, etc.
The T in TOE represents theory.

"Spiritual nature" is a fantasy, in comparison.
.

Not it's not. Spiritual Nature has just as much scientific support.... which is NONE.

Consensus means jack shit.. it's appeal to popularity... has ZERO explanatory value.
TOE explains common ancestry... blah blah blah...
The Bible, Torah, Koran... explains spiritual nature! So fucking what?

What it all boils down to is, you have a faith-based belief in a theory. You think that gives you some kind of right to prance around claiming science is on your side but science doesn't take sides. You're exploiting science to push your faith-based beliefs. You're the quacker here.

It is true a lie is a lie no matter how many people believe it and no matter how much good you think comes from the lie.

I think the truth is better.

You know what a room of scientists say about God? Nothing. It's a silly notion that has no place in a science room.

Oh and no, Hitler isn't burning in hell no matter how much we hope he is.

 

[Boss]

Now I see. You want your theory to carry the same weight as evolution.

It don't. Sorry

Sure it does! I'm just going to start repeating it over and over...
Science is on my side! Everyone agrees with me! You're an idiot! It's a proven scientific fact!
Science is on my side! Everyone agrees with me! You're an idiot! It's a proven scientific fact!
Science is on my side! Everyone agrees with me! You're an idiot! It's a proven scientific fact!

How does that feel? What are you gonna say about it smart guy?

See I can do the same thing as you... You don't want to back your claims up, you just want to sit here day in and day out and demagogue the thread with the same old tired rant. Rinse and repeat, day after fucking day... over and over and over again. You have not made your case, you can't make your case and you're not ever going to make your case.

 

[sealybobo]

Now I see. You want your theory to carry the same weight as evolution.

It don't. Sorry

Sure it does! I'm just going to start repeating it over and over...
Science is on my side! Everyone agrees with me! You're an idiot! It's a proven scientific fact!
Science is on my side! Everyone agrees with me! You're an idiot! It's a proven scientific fact!
Science is on my side! Everyone agrees with me! You're an idiot! It's a proven scientific fact!

How does that feel? What are you gonna say about it smart guy?

See I can do the same thing as you... You don't want to back your claims up, you just want to sit here day in and day out and demagogue the thread with the same old tired rant. Rinse and repeat, day after fucking day... over and over and over again. You have not made your case, you can't make your case and you're not ever going to make your case.

We've taken this as far as we can boss. You need to move on now. I've figured out your agenda. It takes days of discussion to figure out your actual agenda. Sorry buddy but no way your hypothesis carries the same weight as evolution.

You are a dying breed

In U.S., 42% Believe Creationist View of Human Origins

But it will be slow death because Muslims are about 500 years behind us. Plus look how stupid Mormons are. They are even dumber than Christians. So I don't suspect creationists to completely go away anytime soon, especially in the USA where you are free to be whatever stupid you want to be.

Still that 42% is too high. 42% of Americans are super dummies. That many people shouldn't be that stupid. No wonder the rich control the masses like sheep. No surprise.

I talked to a high school kid the other day, smart in every way except science. He doesn't believe in evolution because it conflicts with his bible. Sounds like the stupid fucking muslims in the middle east. And evolution even offends generic god thumpers like you. Amazing. Of all the people I would have said you would believe in evolution boss. That's how the spiritual being did it. It planted the seed and that seed flourished.

Oh and don't worry, your theory will evolve and in a few years you'll be excepting my theory of god planting one seed and we are all related. I don't know why that offends you so much.

 

[sealybobo]

Now I see. You want your theory to carry the same weight as evolution.

It don't. Sorry

Sure it does! I'm just going to start repeating it over and over...
Science is on my side! Everyone agrees with me! You're an idiot! It's a proven scientific fact!
Science is on my side! Everyone agrees with me! You're an idiot! It's a proven scientific fact!
Science is on my side! Everyone agrees with me! You're an idiot! It's a proven scientific fact!

How does that feel? What are you gonna say about it smart guy?

See I can do the same thing as you... You don't want to back your claims up, you just want to sit here day in and day out and demagogue the thread with the same old tired rant. Rinse and repeat, day after fucking day... over and over and over again. You have not made your case, you can't make your case and you're not ever going to make your case.

You're trying to box me but the rules are I can only hit your shadow but you can hit me. That's your god. Your shadow!

 

[Boss]

We've taken this as far as we can boss. You need to move on now.

No fucker... YOU need to move on now! Fuck you... you don't tell me what to do.

I've figured out your agenda. It takes days of discussion to figure out your actual agenda. Sorry buddy but no way your hypothesis carries the same weight as evolution.

Sure it does... it does because I fucking SAY it does, smart ass! I don't have to back anything up here... just keep popping off my mouth like a big goddamn smart ass, appealing to popularity and ridicule like YOU! Wrap it all up by proclaiming Science backs up my opinion and proves God, everybody agrees with me and you're an idiot.

If you don't like it, tough shit... I'll be glad to mindlessly repeat it over and over for days and days in every fucking thread you're in. I don't need to back anything up, I don't need to make my case or present any evidence... I can run find some links to creationist websites and just keep on repeating my claims as facts... JUST LIKE YOU!

You are a dying breed

In U.S., 42% Believe Creationist View of Human Origins

MORE appeal to popularity in absence of evidence to support your claims.

Nihilist like you make up about 5% of the human race... meaning, over 95% of us believe in something greater than self. YOU are the dying breed... the vast minority... the loser in life who is the outsider... the outlier... the nut ball kook.... the oddball... the one that people are ashamed to admit they know.

Plus look how stupid Mormons are. They are even dumber than Christians. So I don't suspect creationists to completely go away anytime soon, especially in the USA where you are free to be whatever stupid you want to be.

MORE appeal to ridicule because you can't back up your claims.

It's really all you have, isn't it? Appeal to popularity... appeal to ridicule... science on your side... rinse and repeat! Over and fucking over.

Get lost, loser.

 

[abu afak]

......MORE appeal to popularity in absence of evidence to support your claims.
Nihilist like you make up about 5% of the human race... meaning, over 95% of us believe in something greater than self. YOU are the dying breed... the vast minority... the loser in life who is the outsider... the outlier... the nut ball kook.... the oddball... the one that people are ashamed to admit they know.
MORE appeal to ridicule because you can't back up your claims.

There's Overwhelming Evidence for evolution
Short list:

1. The Fossil Record is Mind-blowingly clear and gets filled in more every year with transitional species as ONLY evolution would predict.
Any ONE of Millions of fossils found in the wrong strata Could have disproved evo.
Guess what? ODDS please?
1a. The only possible kweationist klown explanation for this is "god is trying to fool us/test our faith by planting evidence of evo."

2. On your own body you have useLess anatomical Remnants like the Coccyx/old Tail, Wisdom Teeth, appendix.

3. Since evolution was proposed 150 years ago, there's been a science/tech explosion like no other period. Many new sciences have come into being, any one of which could have Disproved evolution.
(Isotopic Dating, DNA, etc, etc, etc)
Guess what? They are all consistent with or help Confirm it.
Odds if it was false please?

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[PK1]

And I know macro evolution is true. Only difference is science is on my side

No, science ISN'T on your side. You keep claiming that but it's just not true.

Quacking science once again?
The scientific consensus IS on his side.
TOE explains common ancestry of ALL animals, plants, etc.
The T in TOE represents theory.

"Spiritual nature" is a fantasy, in comparison.

Spiritual Nature has just as much scientific support.... which is NONE.

Consensus means jack shit.. it's appeal to popularity... has ZERO explanatory value.
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What it all boils down to is, you have a faith-based belief in a theory. ...
You're exploiting science to push your faith-based beliefs. You're the quacker here.

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Faith, as in full "blind" trust, without any evidence, is not applicable in science.
If you don't believe in scientific consensus, then you are definitely not a scientist ,,, unless you propose a rational alternative explanation.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but "spiritual nature" ain't it.
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[PK1]

biologist Richard Lenski says, "Scientific understanding requires both facts and theories that can explain those facts in a coherent manner. Evolution, in this context, is both a fact and a theory. It is an incontrovertible fact that organisms have changed, or evolved, during the history of life on Earth.

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Yes, unlike religion or "spiritual" views, science is about objective, observable facts and theories based on them.
This is a good overview for the general reader on this fact/theory discussion:

Evolution as fact and theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Fact" is commonly used to refer to the observable changes in organisms' traits over generations while the word "theory" is reserved for the mechanisms that cause these changes.
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