The Stupid Lie called The Theory of Evolution

[PK1]

Hey, that's what you and I are trying to figure out, it's a question with no answer, IMO.

Well... YOU haven't figured it out. I think it was Spiritual Nature.

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Are you quacking "science" again?
LOL.
Or, is "spiritual nature" your attempt at philosophy?

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[Boss]

Hey, that's what you and I are trying to figure out, it's a question with no answer, IMO.

Well... YOU haven't figured it out. I think it was Spiritual Nature.

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Are you quacking "science" again?
LOL.
Or, is "spiritual nature" your attempt at philosophy?

.

No... I leave the quacking of science to you Scientismists.

 

[sealybobo]

I understand what you are saying, but I am not so quick to dismiss that spiritualality can not be born from man. Consider how much spirituality has changed over the centuries. Some cultures used to have a rain God, sun God etc. Man's perception of God, or spirituality, has changed, some may even say evolved with time. We have no history of spirituality before man, fossilized life doesn't suggest any, how could it? Without life there is no spirit. If you stand in front of a mirror in the dark you can't see your reflection, so without man to express spirituality it can't be seen. It is indeed a paradox.

Here's the problem with that... The Darwinists claim man invented spirituality... but if that is so, it defies Darwinism itself. Behavioral characteristics within a species are not retained if they are not crucial to survival of the species. We know of nothing on this planet that has meaningless behavioral characteristics. Things always behave as they do for a reason.

We can go back to the earliest civilizations of man that we've ever discovered and we see evidence of human spirituality. Ritualistic burials with ceremonies using red ocher. This is humans practicing a spiritual belief. That has not changed... humans still practice spiritual beliefs. Have those beliefs evolved with man? Of course they have!

And I have never quite understood this "paradox" you mention about man being necessary to imagine spirituality for it to exist. Do you believe the planet Jupiter never did exist until someone saw it through a telescope? Was it not there before man came along and discovered it?

Ah, Jupiter, haven't we already agreed that the spiritual realm and the physical realm are different? Why do you apply the same reasoning that if Jupiter was there before man saw it, spirituality was here before man. I reject your example, it's apple and oranges. I am not saying your point is without merit, just hate the example. Spirituality could have been here before man, but since it is not physical, like Jupiter, it would have on effect without a spiritual creature i.e. Man. Jupiter was still exerting whatever influence it does on our solar system before it was seen.

I don't like "man invented spirituality", so we agree on that. I am just supposing, even if spirituality existed before man, it didn't matter, because it had no influence or effect before man.

Good point. Spirituality had nothing to do before us. Without us God is nothing. Without us, who cares?

I concur, Without man to experience spirituality it essentially is non-existence.

So what was spirituality doing for 13.9 billion years? Did it test out trilobites first, get bored with them then try dinosaurs and then just 9000 years ago decide to make us intelligent? Nothing about creation makes any sense.

If there is a creator he probably planted one seed and all life came from it. Thats where the evidence points. If you believe in one of the organized religion this means your religion is made up. But it does not disprove God. Unfortunately god is a hypothesis that can't be disproven. Men will always debate this.

 

[Hollie]

Your assuming that spirit preceded man, I am offering that it didn't, or if it did it was essentially dormant or non-existent because it was not recognized or practiced/utilized, etc. If you own a car but there is no gas, owning the car is immaterial. It sits in the garage with no effect.

Well I believe Spiritual Nature DID precede man. It preceded physical nature because it created physical nature. You're now sounding as if you think man invented spirituality. That's an argument I reject.

Obviously we can't know for sure, but I don't think spirituality can exist without man, and I don't think man created spirituality. It's a chicken or an egg dilemma. Christians believe in the father, son and Holy Ghost, they are all different, but with the same characteristics. Jesus can't exist without God/ Holy Spirit, but God/ Holy Spirit is not God without Jesus, at least in the Christian view as I understand it.

Again... The paradox of creation... Physical nature cannot create itself. Even the chicken or egg dilemma has a truth... even if we don't know it. This idea that something doesn't exist because we don't use it or we're not yet around to use it... well, that's based on human concept of time. You see silly boob stumbling around this.... how come it took billions of years? But here's the thing.... TIME is a human element.... it means nothing to Spiritual Nature. It means everything to us... physics can't do anything without time. So trying to rationalize Spiritual Nature in context of time is totally pointless.

Spiritual nature cannot exist without physical nature. If there is no air, you can't have wind.

Can you provide any evidence that Spiritual Nature requires physical nature in order to exist?

And for the record... Yes, you CAN have wind with no air.... Solar winds.

What evidence can you share to substantiate your claims to the supermagical spirit realms you claim are true.?

 

[Hollie]

Hey, that's what you and I are trying to figure out, it's a question with no answer, IMO.

Well... YOU haven't figured it out. I think it was Spiritual Nature.

That's the whiskey talking.

 

[Hollie]

I never said "invented", as if man sat down and designed and constructed it. Those are your words. Did your mother invent you? I am suggesting that it occurred because of the nature of man.

Then what do you think created the universe, physical nature, matter, energy and time?

Unionized gods?

 

[HUGGY]

I understand what you are saying, but I am not so quick to dismiss that spiritualality can not be born from man. Consider how much spirituality has changed over the centuries. Some cultures used to have a rain God, sun God etc. Man's perception of God, or spirituality, has changed, some may even say evolved with time. We have no history of spirituality before man, fossilized life doesn't suggest any, how could it? Without life there is no spirit. If you stand in front of a mirror in the dark you can't see your reflection, so without man to express spirituality it can't be seen. It is indeed a paradox.

Here's the problem with that... The Darwinists claim man invented spirituality... but if that is so, it defies Darwinism itself. Behavioral characteristics within a species are not retained if they are not crucial to survival of the species. We know of nothing on this planet that has meaningless behavioral characteristics. Things always behave as they do for a reason.

We can go back to the earliest civilizations of man that we've ever discovered and we see evidence of human spirituality. Ritualistic burials with ceremonies using red ocher. This is humans practicing a spiritual belief. That has not changed... humans still practice spiritual beliefs. Have those beliefs evolved with man? Of course they have!

And I have never quite understood this "paradox" you mention about man being necessary to imagine spirituality for it to exist. Do you believe the planet Jupiter never did exist until someone saw it through a telescope? Was it not there before man came along and discovered it?

Ah, Jupiter, haven't we already agreed that the spiritual realm and the physical realm are different? Why do you apply the same reasoning that if Jupiter was there before man saw it, spirituality was here before man. I reject your example, it's apple and oranges. I am not saying your point is without merit, just hate the example. Spirituality could have been here before man, but since it is not physical, like Jupiter, it would have on effect without a spiritual creature i.e. Man. Jupiter was still exerting whatever influence it does on our solar system before it was seen.

I don't like "man invented spirituality", so we agree on that. I am just supposing, even if spirituality existed before man, it didn't matter, because it had no influence or effect before man.

Good point. Spirituality had nothing to do before us. Without us God is nothing. Without us, who cares?

I concur, Without man to experience spirituality it essentially is non-existence.

So what was spirituality doing for 13.9 billion years? Did it test out trilobites first, get bored with them then try dinosaurs and then just 9000 years ago decide to make us intelligent? Nothing about creation makes any sense.

If there is a creator he probably planted one seed and all life came from it. Thats where the evidence points. If you believe in one of the organized religion this means your religion is made up. But it does not disprove God. Unfortunately god is a hypothesis that can't be disproven. Men will always debate this.

"Nothing about creation makes any sense."

It makes sense to me that a bunch of halfwits believe in it.

 

[sealybobo]

Here's the problem with that... The Darwinists claim man invented spirituality... but if that is so, it defies Darwinism itself. Behavioral characteristics within a species are not retained if they are not crucial to survival of the species. We know of nothing on this planet that has meaningless behavioral characteristics. Things always behave as they do for a reason.

We can go back to the earliest civilizations of man that we've ever discovered and we see evidence of human spirituality. Ritualistic burials with ceremonies using red ocher. This is humans practicing a spiritual belief. That has not changed... humans still practice spiritual beliefs. Have those beliefs evolved with man? Of course they have!

And I have never quite understood this "paradox" you mention about man being necessary to imagine spirituality for it to exist. Do you believe the planet Jupiter never did exist until someone saw it through a telescope? Was it not there before man came along and discovered it?

Ah, Jupiter, haven't we already agreed that the spiritual realm and the physical realm are different? Why do you apply the same reasoning that if Jupiter was there before man saw it, spirituality was here before man. I reject your example, it's apple and oranges. I am not saying your point is without merit, just hate the example. Spirituality could have been here before man, but since it is not physical, like Jupiter, it would have on effect without a spiritual creature i.e. Man. Jupiter was still exerting whatever influence it does on our solar system before it was seen.

I don't like "man invented spirituality", so we agree on that. I am just supposing, even if spirituality existed before man, it didn't matter, because it had no influence or effect before man.

Good point. Spirituality had nothing to do before us. Without us God is nothing. Without us, who cares?

I concur, Without man to experience spirituality it essentially is non-existence.

So what was spirituality doing for 13.9 billion years? Did it test out trilobites first, get bored with them then try dinosaurs and then just 9000 years ago decide to make us intelligent? Nothing about creation makes any sense.

If there is a creator he probably planted one seed and all life came from it. Thats where the evidence points. If you believe in one of the organized religion this means your religion is made up. But it does not disprove God. Unfortunately god is a hypothesis that can't be disproven. Men will always debate this.

"Nothing about creation makes any sense."

It makes sense to me that a bunch of halfwits believe in it.

I talked to a kid at a funeral. A band nerd his parents have been taking him to church. Dads conservative moms liberal and he leans left. I asked him what he thinks about evolution and he didn't believe in it. When I asked why he said it contradicts what the bible says. Unfuckingbelievable

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Hey, that's what you and I are trying to figure out, it's a question with no answer, IMO.

Well... YOU haven't figured it out. I think it was Spiritual Nature.

So..you're saying your mind is made up because you THINK it was Spiritual Nature. If you're happy and it works, then that's great. I have already admitted I don't think there is an answer to the man/spirit paradox. That's why Its a paradox. But if you have found an answer that your happy with, then I have no problem with that. We both already acknowledged its impossible to prove. I assume it will always be unanswered for me, and I am ok with that, but I'll keep looking.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Here's the problem with that... The Darwinists claim man invented spirituality... but if that is so, it defies Darwinism itself. Behavioral characteristics within a species are not retained if they are not crucial to survival of the species. We know of nothing on this planet that has meaningless behavioral characteristics. Things always behave as they do for a reason.

We can go back to the earliest civilizations of man that we've ever discovered and we see evidence of human spirituality. Ritualistic burials with ceremonies using red ocher. This is humans practicing a spiritual belief. That has not changed... humans still practice spiritual beliefs. Have those beliefs evolved with man? Of course they have!

And I have never quite understood this "paradox" you mention about man being necessary to imagine spirituality for it to exist. Do you believe the planet Jupiter never did exist until someone saw it through a telescope? Was it not there before man came along and discovered it?

Ah, Jupiter, haven't we already agreed that the spiritual realm and the physical realm are different? Why do you apply the same reasoning that if Jupiter was there before man saw it, spirituality was here before man. I reject your example, it's apple and oranges. I am not saying your point is without merit, just hate the example. Spirituality could have been here before man, but since it is not physical, like Jupiter, it would have on effect without a spiritual creature i.e. Man. Jupiter was still exerting whatever influence it does on our solar system before it was seen.

I don't like "man invented spirituality", so we agree on that. I am just supposing, even if spirituality existed before man, it didn't matter, because it had no influence or effect before man.

Good point. Spirituality had nothing to do before us. Without us God is nothing. Without us, who cares?

I concur, Without man to experience spirituality it essentially is non-existence.

So what was spirituality doing for 13.9 billion years? Did it test out trilobites first, get bored with them then try dinosaurs and then just 9000 years ago decide to make us intelligent? Nothing about creation makes any sense.

If there is a creator he probably planted one seed and all life came from it. Thats where the evidence points. If you believe in one of the organized religion this means your religion is made up. But it does not disprove God. Unfortunately god is a hypothesis that can't be disproven. Men will always debate this.

"Nothing about creation makes any sense."

It makes sense to me that a bunch of halfwits believe in it.

I have found, that If I ask enough questions, observe and listen, things that make sense become less valid, and things that seem absurd become more acceptable.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Hey, that's what you and I are trying to figure out, it's a question with no answer, IMO.

Well... YOU haven't figured it out. I think it was Spiritual Nature.

---
Are you quacking "science" again?
LOL.
Or, is "spiritual nature" your attempt at philosophy?

.

I know, it's hard to come in at the middle and understand what's going on.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Hey, that's what you and I are trying to figure out, it's a question with no answer, IMO.

Well... YOU haven't figured it out. I think it was Spiritual Nature.

---
Are you quacking "science" again?
LOL.
Or, is "spiritual nature" your attempt at philosophy?

.

No... I leave the quacking of science to you Scientismists.

Why would you bother with him Boss?

 

[BuckToothMoron]

I never said "invented", as if man sat down and designed and constructed it. Those are your words. Did your mother invent you? I am suggesting that it occurred because of the nature of man.

Then what do you think created the universe, physical nature, matter, energy and time?

Unionized gods?

I don't understand the reference "unionized".

 

[Boss]

So what was spirituality doing for 13.9 billion years? Did it test out trilobites first, get bored with them then try dinosaurs and then just 9000 years ago decide to make us intelligent? Nothing about creation makes any sense.

If there is a creator he probably planted one seed and all life came from it. Thats where the evidence points. If you believe in one of the organized religion this means your religion is made up. But it does not disprove God. Unfortunately god is a hypothesis that can't be disproven. Men will always debate this.

So what was spirituality doing for 13.9 billion years?

I answered this a couple of posts back and I've explained it to you before. Time is the fourth dimension of a physical universe, it has no significance to Spiritual Nature other than being a dimension created by it. Time matters to us because physics cannot happen without time. Spiritual Nature is timeless.

"Testing" and "getting bored" and "deciding" are human things that humans do. Spiritual nature doesn't do human things. Your small and limited mind is having trouble comprehending that Spiritual Nature is not physical nature. I have no idea how to overcome your disability here.

If there is a creator he probably planted one seed and all life came from it.
Thats where the evidence points.

No, the evidence doesn't point to that at all. In fact, that idea contradicts the evidence. Plants are a life form that function, operate, reproduce and grow in a completely different way than fish, reptiles and mammals. Warm and cold blooded animals are nothing alike. All the various families of life are different in profoundly fundamental ways, yet they are all interdependent upon one another.

And I don't understand why you keep limiting a creator to just one seed. If a creator could create one such magical seed, don't you think it could create 20? 50? 10,000? Why would it be limited?

Unfortunately god is a hypothesis that can't be disproven.

You mean "disproved" ....but why do you continue trying to do just that? And why do you continue trying to do that with science? You see, that's my main problem with you.... you'll openly admit this here but then the next post, you're contradicting your own statement.

 

[Dr Grump]

I guess you weren't comprehending me... I don't care if you don't believe it. It makes no difference to me whatsoever. I never claimed I could prove anything to you. Scientific evidence is great and if I had it, I would present it and there wouldn't be any reason for these threads anymore. But Science deals with physical nature and this is not physical nature. It's spiritual nature. You are welcome to call it faith, but it's not faith if it's proven to me. And I certainly DO get to dictate the facts that are proven to myself, whether you like it or not.

Somebody insisting a fact is true when it is not proven is called delusional. Have it your way...

 

[Boss]

Hey, that's what you and I are trying to figure out, it's a question with no answer, IMO.

Well... YOU haven't figured it out. I think it was Spiritual Nature.

So..you're saying your mind is made up because you THINK it was Spiritual Nature. If you're happy and it works, then that's great. I have already admitted I don't think there is an answer to the man/spirit paradox. That's why Its a paradox. But if you have found an answer that your happy with, then I have no problem with that. We both already acknowledged its impossible to prove. I assume it will always be unanswered for me, and I am ok with that, but I'll keep looking.

Sorry, I don't THINK there is Spiritual Nature, I know there is. People call it faith but it's really not faith for me. I make a connection to Spiritual Nature daily... it's all around me all the time. I feel it, I am comforted by it, I get inspiration from it, I find solace in it, I gain strength from it. I don't feel that I am compelled to have to prove that to anyone, it's my experience. My views are totally rooted in my experience.

I think Spiritual Nature MUST have created physical nature because it is impossible for physical nature to have created itself. Logic dictates that. Nothing needs to explain creation of something spiritual because "creation" is a physical thing.... physical things require creation, spiritual things do not. Something timeless cannot be "made" as this would indicate a beginning. Spiritual Nature doesn't have a beginning or an ending. Time is a parameter of the physical, not the spiritual.

We are physical beings. As such, we are handicapped by time. Nothing in our reality can happen without time passing. All physics requires time. This is why it's impossible to prove Spiritual Nature. Think of it like this... how possible would it be to prove gravity without time? We know gravity exists because we can drop a ball and as time passes, the ball falls to the ground proving gravity... but if there were no time, how could you prove this? You can't even drop the ball without time. So you see, proving things through physics requires time... it's the measuring of things across time. Spirituality is without time... timeless.

The lack of our ability to be able to prove Spiritual Nature doesn't mean it's not there.

 

[Boss]

I guess you weren't comprehending me... I don't care if you don't believe it. It makes no difference to me whatsoever. I never claimed I could prove anything to you. Scientific evidence is great and if I had it, I would present it and there wouldn't be any reason for these threads anymore. But Science deals with physical nature and this is not physical nature. It's spiritual nature. You are welcome to call it faith, but it's not faith if it's proven to me. And I certainly DO get to dictate the facts that are proven to myself, whether you like it or not.

Somebody insisting a fact is true when it is not proven is called delusional. Have it your way...

So... people who claim that macroevolution is a fact and everything evolved from a single common cell are delusional! Thank you!

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Hey, that's what you and I are trying to figure out, it's a question with no answer, IMO.

Well... YOU haven't figured it out. I think it was Spiritual Nature.

So..you're saying your mind is made up because you THINK it was Spiritual Nature. If you're happy and it works, then that's great. I have already admitted I don't think there is an answer to the man/spirit paradox. That's why Its a paradox. But if you have found an answer that your happy with, then I have no problem with that. We both already acknowledged its impossible to prove. I assume it will always be unanswered for me, and I am ok with that, but I'll keep looking.

Sorry, I don't THINK there is Spiritual Nature, I know there is. People call it faith but it's really not faith for me. I make a connection to Spiritual Nature daily... it's all around me all the time. I feel it, I am comforted by it, I get inspiration from it, I find solace in it, I gain strength from it. I don't feel that I am compelled to have to prove that to anyone, it's my experience. My views are totally rooted in my experience.

I think Spiritual Nature MUST have created physical nature because it is impossible for physical nature to have created itself. Logic dictates that. Nothing needs to explain creation of something spiritual because "creation" is a physical thing.... physical things require creation, spiritual things do not. Something timeless cannot be "made" as this would indicate a beginning. Spiritual Nature doesn't have a beginning or an ending. Time is a parameter of the physical, not the spiritual.

We are physical beings. As such, we are handicapped by time. Nothing in our reality can happen without time passing. All physics requires time. This is why it's impossible to prove Spiritual Nature. Think of it like this... how possible would it be to prove gravity without time? We know gravity exists because we can drop a ball and as time passes, the ball falls to the ground proving gravity... but if there were no time, how could you prove this? You can't even drop the ball without time. So you see, proving things through physics requires time... it's the measuring of things across time. Spirituality is without time... timeless.

The lack of our ability to be able to prove Spiritual Nature doesn't mean it's not there.

It's a personal thing, and it sounds like you are at peace, happy and well adjusted, that's a good thing. I am too. Nobody takes the same path thru the journey of life.

 

[sealybobo]

So what was spirituality doing for 13.9 billion years? Did it test out trilobites first, get bored with them then try dinosaurs and then just 9000 years ago decide to make us intelligent? Nothing about creation makes any sense.

If there is a creator he probably planted one seed and all life came from it. Thats where the evidence points. If you believe in one of the organized religion this means your religion is made up. But it does not disprove God. Unfortunately god is a hypothesis that can't be disproven. Men will always debate this.

So what was spirituality doing for 13.9 billion years?

I answered this a couple of posts back and I've explained it to you before. Time is the fourth dimension of a physical universe, it has no significance to Spiritual Nature other than being a dimension created by it. Time matters to us because physics cannot happen without time. Spiritual Nature is timeless.

"Testing" and "getting bored" and "deciding" are human things that humans do. Spiritual nature doesn't do human things. Your small and limited mind is having trouble comprehending that Spiritual Nature is not physical nature. I have no idea how to overcome your disability here.

If there is a creator he probably planted one seed and all life came from it.
Thats where the evidence points.

No, the evidence doesn't point to that at all. In fact, that idea contradicts the evidence. Plants are a life form that function, operate, reproduce and grow in a completely different way than fish, reptiles and mammals. Warm and cold blooded animals are nothing alike. All the various families of life are different in profoundly fundamental ways, yet they are all interdependent upon one another.

And I don't understand why you keep limiting a creator to just one seed. If a creator could create one such magical seed, don't you think it could create 20? 50? 10,000? Why would it be limited?

Unfortunately god is a hypothesis that can't be disproven.

You mean "disproved" ....but why do you continue trying to do just that? And why do you continue trying to do that with science? You see, that's my main problem with you.... you'll openly admit this here but then the next post, you're contradicting your own statement.

You're wrong on so many levels but that's OK. We're all guessing here.

 

[sealybobo]

I guess you weren't comprehending me... I don't care if you don't believe it. It makes no difference to me whatsoever. I never claimed I could prove anything to you. Scientific evidence is great and if I had it, I would present it and there wouldn't be any reason for these threads anymore. But Science deals with physical nature and this is not physical nature. It's spiritual nature. You are welcome to call it faith, but it's not faith if it's proven to me. And I certainly DO get to dictate the facts that are proven to myself, whether you like it or not.

Somebody insisting a fact is true when it is not proven is called delusional. Have it your way...

So... people who claim that macroevolution is a fact and everything evolved from a single common cell are delusional! Thank you!

Are you sure? That's not science. You've stopped looking