The republicans are brilliant

[airplanemechanic]

They way that they passed this tax reform bill, repealing just the mandated tax penalty for not having insurance, was brilliant beyond measure. It ensures that the liberals can't say that republicans cost anyone their health care. Because simply repealing the mandate ensures that anyone that is only on Obamacare because of the tax penalty has the right to leave.

Meaning....everyone who "loses" insurance because of it lost it of their own free will. It will also all but ensure that Obamacare will collapse under its own weight when millions back out because they don't want it anyway.

If a program is only successful because you punish anyone who doesn't participate, is it really successful at all?

Unbelievably smart.

 

[frigidweirdo]

They way that they passed this tax reform bill, repealing just the mandated tax penalty for not having insurance, was brilliant beyond measure. It ensures that the liberals can't say that republicans cost anyone their health care. Because simply repealing the mandate ensures that anyone that is only on Obamacare because of the tax penalty has the right to leave.

Meaning....everyone who "loses" insurance because of it lost it of their own free will. It will also all but ensure that Obamacare will collapse under its own weight when millions back out because they don't want it anyway.

If a program is only successful because you punish anyone who doesn't participate, is it really successful at all?

Unbelievably smart.

Yeah, imagine a world where you can choose to have no fucking health insurance. What a great world that is.

Yes, you have a govt that pays MORE per capita on healthcare than the UK with the NHS and you can actually CHOOSE no healthcare, while those suckers in the UK pay LESS and they're forced to actually have permanent healthcare coverage.

Wouldn't it suck to live in the UK where if you have a medical problem, you can actually get it sorted out even if you're fucking poor. YOU ESS AY! YOU ESS AY! YOU ASS AY! YOU ASS AY! YOU ASS HOLE!

 

[airplanemechanic]

We aren't the UK. Fuck the UK and their kings and queens. We don't play dat shit. We whipped the UK's ass in a war to gain our freedom from their "royal family" bullshit.

Fuck the UK.

 

[frigidweirdo]

We aren't the UK. Fuck the UK and their kings and queens. We don't play dat shit. We whipped the UK's ass in a war to gain our freedom from their "royal family" bullshit.

Fuck the UK.

Ah, the good old Republican view point. The view point that doesn't consider anything, and just say "fuck this, fuck that" instead of being able to use the good old brain to come up with something semi-intelligent.

 

[airplanemechanic]

The semi intelligent thing was the OP. I tend to reply stupid to stupid.

I said its great that people have a choice of not getting healthcare without a penalty (since when can the gov't FORCE you to buy anything? that's not legal!) and you brought up the UK.

I don't care about the UK. If you want to talk about the UK go somewhere else. This thread is about the US and our healthcare system.

 

[JoeB131]

They way that they passed this tax reform bill, repealing just the mandated tax penalty for not having insurance, was brilliant beyond measure. It ensures that the liberals can't say that republicans cost anyone their health care. Because simply repealing the mandate ensures that anyone that is only on Obamacare because of the tax penalty has the right to leave.

Meaning....everyone who "loses" insurance because of it lost it of their own free will. It will also all but ensure that Obamacare will collapse under its own weight when millions back out because they don't want it anyway.

If a program is only successful because you punish anyone who doesn't participate, is it really successful at all?

Unbelievably smart.

Unbelievably stupid. So what you are going to have is people buying insurance ONLY IF THEY ARE SICK. You see, when you tell insurance companies they can't refuse treatment and can't disqualify people for pre-existing conditions, you've pretty much set up a situation where people can buy car insurance AFTER they've had an accident.

 

[airplanemechanic]

Well, telling people you HAVE to buy insurance is not legal.

I don't have to buy anything. This is America.

If the only way liberals can make a health care system work is to FORCE people to use it under tax penalty and eventually arrest if they refuse to pay the tax penalty, it's not a good system.

Its not our fault the best you people could come up with was Obummer care.

Hey nobody is losing insurance. Those nasty republicans didn't kill off grandma. If they lose it its completely their choice. Remember, this is America, where we have freedom to choose.

You liberals are all about being pro choice. Why not with health care? Why can't I choose not to have health care? If I can choose to kill my baby and suck them out through a tube with your full support?

 

[frigidweirdo]

The semi intelligent thing was the OP. I tend to reply stupid to stupid.

I said its great that people have a choice of not getting healthcare without a penalty (since when can the gov't FORCE you to buy anything? that's not legal!) and you brought up the UK.

I don't care about the UK. If you want to talk about the UK go somewhere else. This thread is about the US and our healthcare system.

No, it's not great that people have a choice of not getting healthcare at all. It fucking sucks.

Whether there's a penalty or not, it's either the Democrats screwing you over or the Republicans screwing you over.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, telling people you HAVE to buy insurance is not legal.

I don't have to buy anything. This is America.

If the only way liberals can make a health care system work is to FORCE people to use it under tax penalty and eventually arrest if they refuse to pay the tax penalty, it's not a good system.

Its not our fault the best you people could come up with was Obummer care.

Hey nobody is losing insurance. Those nasty republicans didn't kill off grandma.

Yeah, let's treat people like they're cars.

 

[airplanemechanic]

How are republicans screwing you over by saying you have a choice? How is freedom a choose "screwing you over?"

Is this what the liberal party has come to?

I thought ya'll were the party of pro choice?

 

[Mac1958]

Our health care system was a mess. Too expensive, too complicated, too uneven.

The Dems jumped in and did little to improve it.

The GOP have jumped in and done little to improve it.

I wouldn't be beaming about this if I were either party.
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[frigidweirdo]

How are republicans screwing you over by saying you have a choice? How is freedom a choose "screwing you over?"

Is this what the liberal party has come to?

I thought ya'll were the party of pro choice?

The choice to no healthcare is the worst fucking choice the world has ever made.

And you pay for this choice. You pay MORE FUCKING MONEY for healthcare in the US when you can get NOTHING than you do in the UK to basically be covered for life.

Does that not strike you as being really fucking stupid?

 

[JoeB131]

Well, telling people you HAVE to buy insurance is not legal.

the Supreme Court says it was.

If the only way liberals can make a health care system work is to FORCE people to use it under tax penalty and eventually arrest if they refuse to pay the tax penalty, it's not a good system.

Well, first, this wasn't a liberal idea. This was the idea that the Heritage Foundation came up with in the 1990's as an answer to HillaryCare. It was the idea that Mitt the Mormon implemented in Massachusetts and called a model for the country. And everyone was fine with it until the black guy did it.

The liberal idea was actually pretty simple. It's what Hillary came up with. If your job doesn't offer insurance, you can go on HillaryCare and get insurance there. Big insurance didn't like the idea of having to compete with the government and small businesses didn't like the idea that they were no longer going to get a free ride.

Its not our fault the best you people could come up with was Obummer care.

Actually, we did have better ideas, your side rejected them.
A Public Option (HillaryCare) would have been a better idea.
Single Payer would be a better idea.

Too many people are still making money on the status quo, though. Now that they might lose money, we'll probably see that change.

Hey nobody is losing insurance. Those nasty republicans didn't kill off grandma.

Nobody is losing insurance because the other components of ObamaCare are still in place. the only problem is, now big insurance can't make obscene profits.

 

[midcan5]

When Ann Coulter criticizes the republicans and their tax for the rich you know we have entered fantasy land USA.

"When the Titanic struck an iceberg, the crew might have rushed to the storeroom, grabbed the materials and spruced up the ship with a shiny new coat of paint. Women in their beautiful fur coats could stand on deck, admiring the lustrous sheen, as everyone pointed to it saying, “What a thing of beauty!”

Word has now reached us that congressional Republicans have passed tax reform. Everyone is standing around admiring the lustrous sheen, pointing to it and saying, “what a thing of beauty!”

The iceberg is immigration and the Titanic is our country." Ann Coulter

Ann Coulter goes off on Trump over taxes, saying he delivered his 'worst, most tone-deaf speech'

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[JoeB131]

How are republicans screwing you over by saying you have a choice? How is freedom a choose "screwing you over?"

Is this what the liberal party has come to?

I thought ya'll were the party of pro choice?

That would work if the people who "choose" to not get health insurance were refused treatment. But they aren't. They can show up at an emergency room and get treated, and the costs are spread across to the rest of us who do the responsible thing and buy insurance.

 

[sealybobo]

They way that they passed this tax reform bill, repealing just the mandated tax penalty for not having insurance, was brilliant beyond measure. It ensures that the liberals can't say that republicans cost anyone their health care. Because simply repealing the mandate ensures that anyone that is only on Obamacare because of the tax penalty has the right to leave.

Meaning....everyone who "loses" insurance because of it lost it of their own free will. It will also all but ensure that Obamacare will collapse under its own weight when millions back out because they don't want it anyway.

If a program is only successful because you punish anyone who doesn't participate, is it really successful at all?

Unbelievably smart.

So that’s your solution to healthcare? You don’t have to have it and now the costs are going to skyrocket? Sad sacks

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

They way that they passed this tax reform bill, repealing just the mandated tax penalty for not having insurance, was brilliant beyond measure. It ensures that the liberals can't say that republicans cost anyone their health care. Because simply repealing the mandate ensures that anyone that is only on Obamacare because of the tax penalty has the right to leave.

Meaning....everyone who "loses" insurance because of it lost it of their own free will. It will also all but ensure that Obamacare will collapse under its own weight when millions back out because they don't want it anyway.

If a program is only successful because you punish anyone who doesn't participate, is it really successful at all?

Unbelievably smart.

Yeah, imagine a world where you can choose to have no fucking health insurance. What a great world that is.

Yes, you have a govt that pays MORE per capita on healthcare than the UK with the NHS and you can actually CHOOSE no healthcare, while those suckers in the UK pay LESS and they're forced to actually have permanent healthcare coverage.

Wouldn't it suck to live in the UK where if you have a medical problem, you can actually get it sorted out even if you're fucking poor. YOU ESS AY! YOU ESS AY! YOU ASS AY! YOU ASS AY! YOU ASS HOLE!

If a woman has the right to choose to have an abortion or not, then people can have the right to choose health insurance or not. I say FUCK THE POOR, after 22 trillion dollars spent on the poor, and today after 8 years of the 1/2 white community agitator we have even more poor.. Stop paying the POOR to stay poor and the poor will look for a job...

War on poverty cost
$22 trillion -- three
The War on Poverty has cost $22 trillion -- three times more than what the government has spent on all wars in American history. Federal and state governments spend $1 trillion in taxpayer dollars on America's 80 means-tested welfare programs annually.
The War on Poverty Has Cost $22 Trillion - NCPA
www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=25288

 

[debbiedowner]

They way that they passed this tax reform bill, repealing just the mandated tax penalty for not having insurance, was brilliant beyond measure. It ensures that the liberals can't say that republicans cost anyone their health care. Because simply repealing the mandate ensures that anyone that is only on Obamacare because of the tax penalty has the right to leave.

Meaning....everyone who "loses" insurance because of it lost it of their own free will. It will also all but ensure that Obamacare will collapse under its own weight when millions back out because they don't want it anyway.

If a program is only successful because you punish anyone who doesn't participate, is it really successful at all?

Unbelievably smart.

So that’s your solution to healthcare? You don’t have to have it and now the costs are going to skyrocket? Sad sacks

Maybe not, will have to wait and see. Trump says he has no intention of gutting it any farther, in fact, he is open to funding the CSR's he recently got rid of in Oct and signing any legislation fixing parts of it. With the funding of CSR's and Advanced Premium Tax Credits, it could survive without outrageous increases yearly.

But with the tax bill lowering taxes, someone will have to increase taxes at some time or another to fund the above.

Trump White House Signals It Will Abandon Obamacare Repeal

 

[MadChemist]

How are republicans screwing you over by saying you have a choice? How is freedom a choose "screwing you over?"

Is this what the liberal party has come to?

I thought ya'll were the party of pro choice?

That would work if the people who "choose" to not get health insurance were refused treatment. But they aren't. They can show up at an emergency room and get treated, and the costs are spread across to the rest of us who do the responsible thing and buy insurance.

So why not fix it so that they can't get treatment ?

 

[MadChemist]

Our health care system was a mess. Too expensive, too complicated, too uneven.

The Dems jumped in and did little to improve it.

The GOP have jumped in and done little to improve it.

I wouldn't be beaming about this if I were either party.
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Great point.

GWB had all kinds of time to start a good conversation and get the country moving in the right direction.

He didn't.

Nobody on the left was saying much either.

They were to busy voting against the war after they voted for it.