The Real Zelensky

[Toro]

Some crazy people like you think the U.S. “has been illegitimate” since 2020. Others since 1860! But would even such beliefs “legitimize” another country invading us?

I don’t especially like Zelensky, disagree with much he says and does, and I did not support the “Maidan Revolution,” but Zelensky was overwhelmingly elected in 2019 by some 73% of the vote. There is no question that Ukraine’s present government — whether we like it or not — is legitimate and was elected democratically. Only fools and dumb authoritarian assholes support Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

P.S. Was Ukraine “legitimate” before 2014? Was it legitimate after it became independent from the USSR in 1991? Was it only “legitimate” when it was part of the USSR?

His post demonstrates the incredible arrogance and chauvinism many Russians have towards Ukraine.

When Putin says “Ukraine is not a real country,” many Russians agree.

 

[gipper]

Some crazy people like you think the U.S. “has been illegitimate” since 2020. Others since 1860! But would even such beliefs “legitimize” another country invading us?

I don’t especially like Zelensky, disagree with much he says and does, and I did not support the “Maidan Revolution,” but Zelensky was overwhelmingly elected in 2019 by some 73% of the vote. There is no question that Ukraine’s present government — whether we like it or not — is legitimate and was elected democratically. Only fools and dumb authoritarian assholes support Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

P.S. Was Ukraine “legitimate” before 2014? Was it legitimate after it became independent from the USSR in 1991? Was it only “legitimate” when it was part of the USSR?

Think better…

If the last 20 years taught us anything, it's that monstrous outcomes are inevitable when war propaganda cannot be questioned or challenged, and when neocons are permitted to lead foreign policy debates with no dissent. Smear away. It's everyone's obligation not to allow that. - Glenn Greenwald

 

[gipper]

Great post.

Once again dipshits on the right and left come together for war. Happens every time.

 

[BackAgain]

Once again dipshits on the right and left come together for war. Happens every time.

Once again your banality shines.

 

[gipper]

Once again your banality shines.

You’re a dumb con and the other member is a dumb lib, with full support of our forum leading dumb lib Tonto. You’re in good company. Dumb people love company, even those on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

 

[Toro]

You’re a dumb con and the other member is a dumb lib, with full support of our forum leading dumb lib Tonto. You’re in good company. Dumb people love company, even those on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

Being called "dumb" and a "lib" by the most anti-American poster on the Board isn't as emotionally devastating as you might think, giptard.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Think better…

If the last 20 years taught us anything, it's that monstrous outcomes are inevitable when war propaganda cannot be questioned or challenged, and when neocons are permitted to lead foreign policy debates with no dissent. Smear away. It's everyone's obligation not to allow that. - Glenn Greenwald

It’s always a good idea to “Think better…”

Glenn Greenwald is absolutely correct about the monstrous outcomes of “democratic” war propaganda and neo-con foreign policy. But Putin has his own authoritarian and reactionary nationalist war propaganda, and most of the Russian people too are now tragically in thrall to it.

Greenwald has gone quite mad supporting Putin and even Trump, whose movement he has bizarrely described as “socialist.”

I’m afraid that while there is truth in your OP, it also does not “think” either deeply or well. There is much too much to cover everything in it, let alone in all your and other’s comments.

Zelensky — of course — is really not the main issue. He is an actor, and a good one. He is now more popular politically than when he was elected. He is not just a puppet. He actually wants to be the tail that wags the U.S. dog. He (and his own oligarchic allies) defeated the well-connected oligarch and ex-President — and earlier Western favorite — Poroshenko. The pressures on him within Ukraine from the right were always real and they made carrying out the Minsk Accords difficult to impossible. He has to tread carefully. He could be killed by Putin, or assassinated by the right if he settles too easily. You ignore his own agency and the agency of the Ukrainians themselves, and especially of their now powerful nationalism. It has never been only about the U.S. or CIA, crucial as they and Western banks and NGOs have been. And of course it has never been all up to Putin either, who miscalculated almost everything.

A good example of not “thinking better” is seen in the wrong and arrogant prediction of the OP: “Ukraine is going to lose the war, and Zelenskyy knows it. He knows the Ukrainian Armed Forces are no match for the Russian army. It is like a Giant swatting a fly. Ukraine is the fly.” Ukraine is not a fly. With Western help Ukraine’s army and territorial guards are exposing Putin’s “Potemkin Village” regime of gangsters and oligarchs.

Whatever the results of this horrible war, thanks to the stupidity of dictator Putin’s invasion and the reactionary imperial nationalism he and many Russians are obsessed with, the aggressive and imperialist U.S. “security state” will probably emerge much stronger than before.

 

[BackAgain]

You’re a dumb con and the other member is a dumb lib, with full support of our forum leading dumb lib Tonto. You’re in good company. Dumb people love company, even those on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

You’re a complete retard. And now that I’ve read your latest post, I realize that your opinion is nothing more than that of a retard. Consequently, it is of no value.

 

[gipper]

You’re a complete retard. And now that I’ve read your latest post, I realize that your opinion is nothing more than that of a retard. Consequently, it is of no value.

Trumpers and Trump haters come together for war. It’s the only thing they agree on.

 

[gipper]

Being called "dumb" and a "lib" by the most anti-American poster on the Board isn't as emotionally devastating as you might think, giptard.

Yes I’m unamerican for exposing your hypocrisy. You like Trumpers always support the state when it goes to war no matter what. If only you could think for yourself. Don’t let the state do your thinking. That’s dumb…like you and Trumpers. Dumb.

 

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[gipper]

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Don’t be a dumb Trumper. Think.

Every useful or pleasing claim about the war, no matter how unverified or subsequently debunked, rapidly spreads, while dissenters are vilified as traitors or Kremlin agents.​

 

[gipper]

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You should learn from the following, but you won’t. Like a devoted Trumper, you’re incapable of learning.

That was the purpose of so severely restricting discourse to those simple moral claims: to allow policymakers in Washington free rein to do whatever they wanted in the name of stopping Putin without being questioned. Indeed, as so often happens when war breaks out, anyone questioning U.S. political leaders instantly had their patriotism and loyalty impugned (unless one was complaining that the U.S. should become more involved in the conflict than it already was, a form of pro-war "dissent” that is always permissible in American discourse). - Glenn Greenwald

 

[BackAgain]

Trumpers and Trump haters come together for war. It’s the only thing they agree on.

Repeating your banal ignorance is just as unpersuasive as every other time you bleat out your nonsense.

 

[badger2]

Fresh graffiti in Wisconsin: "proxy." We don't cite the source because it is twice-removed and not reliable:

2022 Ap 3 Ukraine Red Alerts:

Oblasts (provinces): Vinnytska, Odeska, Cherkaska, Kirovohradska, Volynska, Rivnenska, Khmelnytsa.

 

[gipper]

Repeating your banal ignorance is just as unpersuasive as every other time you bleat out your nonsense.

I can’t help it you’re a dumb Trumper.

 

[BackAgain]

I can’t help it you’re a dumb Trumper.

I can’t help the fact that you’re a retard.

 

[bendog]

Being called "dumb" and a "lib" by the most anti-American poster on the Board isn't as emotionally devastating as you might think, giptard.

I don't know if Gipper is so much un-American as opposed to not just neocolonialism as even globalism as practiced pretty much every presidential contender of post-WWII America besides McGovern.

 

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[gipper]

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