daveman
Diamond Member
Have you considered demanding reparations from the black African slavers who sold slaves to Europeans?It always comes down to money with whites. Thats the only thing they value and the only thing that would provide a sense of loss.So it comes down to money. Who pays and who gets paid? Do black people who immigrated here in 1980 get paid? Does an Australian family that immigrated here in 1980 have to pay?Cash, tuition, real estate, moratorium on taxes.Reparations in what form? Be specific, how would it work?Well lets start with what I was speaking about. Reparations. If you can handle that then we will go from there.I asked for you to give an example of some policies that would qualify as redeeming. You didn’t answer. Name a few things that you’d like to see enacted by our governmentNone of them would qualify as they were all very much precipitated by vocal Black protest and or aggression. Some of them have actually contributed to that give in one hand and take away with the other effect I was speaking about specifically affirmative action. The one that matters most has been consistently fought against by whites from every quarter.Of course I can. Let’s start by understanding what you would consider a legitimate action to address the wrong doing... Affirmative action, Community funding, welfare, medical needs, housing, scolarships, criminal justice reform? Would any of those qualify? Lmk what you consider significant and I’ll point out a few examples if you likeThat there has been a lot done and continuing to be done. You cant show me one thing whites have legitimately done to address their actions that wasn't precipitated by some Black aggression and or Black action.What do you think my narrative is?Whatever point you think best suits your narrative.Happy to, what starting point do you want to go from? 60s?What has been done other than a lot of talk and the giving with one hand while taking away with the other? Can you show me some concrete examples? From my vantage point things have not gotten much better and I only say that because Blacks are more aware of the slight of hand tricks whites use to maintain the status quo.Perhaps in the 60s but since then there has been a lot done and continuing to be done. The efforts should continue to be done with cooperation and relationship building. Not violence destruction and hate.Thats not true. When Black were not rioting nothing was being done.Nothing improves on this issue unless and until both ends of it start holding their own side accountable.Obviously the portion where innocent people are getting rocks thrown at them and their businesses looted and set on fire. It’s the easiest and most obvious mistake to call out and it should have come from you and not from me.Sounds like you place all the blame on whites and have no self reflection. That’s not good. Do you attribute these thoughts to all whites or just some?The only mistakes I can see in our cause is assuming that whites will one day magically see the light as a group. We cant wait for them to get with the program. We need to write them off until we see some concrete action, corrective measures, and meaningful atonement for the past and present.I was asking if you recognize any mistakes. I wasn’t calling any out specifically.What mistakes are you specifically talking about and how can they be mistakes if they are expressions of frustrations?That argument is worthy of dismissal but not the plight of Asians in this country. I’m a big supporter of the black community and recognized the injustices that have been done. With that said I’d like to ask you if you feel that mistakes are being made to hurt their cause by the way members of the black community express their frustrations? Should these mistakes be addressed?Its worthy of dismissal when their success is used as a barometer for Blacks when their experience in the US was totally different and no where near as destructive to their community.I didn’t say the were “Like”. I actually pointed out that they were different and that the Asian plight was worthy of mention not dismissalStop it. Asians were never enslaved in this country and they got reparations for whites stealing their property.Asians were put in concentration camps and stripped of their processions around WW2 days... also used pretty much like workSlaves to build the railroad during our countries founding. Not as long or intensive of a struggle as Blacks but worthy of mention and consideration as lives were destroyed.Welfare was begin by whites for whites and the main reason the majority of people on welfare are white.No one works harder than Black people
Here's those pesky facts getting in the way of your bullshit lies again....
Who Participated in welfare?
o The black participation rate was followed by Hispanics at 36.4 percent, Asians or Pacific
- The black population: At 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month.
Islanders at 17.8 percent, and non-Hispanic whites at 13.2 percent.
21.3% of US Participates in Government Assistance Programs Each Month
About 52.2 million people in the US participated in major means-tested government assistance programs each month in 2012, according to a Census Bureau report.www.census.gov
Weird that Asians hit the ground running here and kick ass....why do you think that is?
Asians were never enslaved in this country nor were their towns bombed out of jealousy due to prosperity.
How are you going to say that willingly coming over here to work is anything like 400 years and multiple generations of enslavement?
"Sounds like you place all the blame on whites and have no self reflection."
In your mind what portion of the blame doesnt fall on the history and current actions of whites as a group in this country?
Obviously not all whites are like that. The problem is that Blacks cannott afford to be rendered less determined by the "Well some whites are good people" syndrome.
Otherwise, it continues to rot.
I see no signs of that happening. Not even close.
"Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic."
-Martin Luther King
"A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro."
Cash. Back pay with interest for the wages denied the enslaved and the lower wages Blacks were paid for the same work afterwards up to and including the 90's
Tution. Free college tution for every Black person.
Real Estate. Return the land stolen from Blacks after Lincoln was killed and the lands stolen via ethnic cleansing in different parts all around this country.
Tax Moratorium. Blacks dont pay taxes for 20 years and no bullshit after that trying to recoup it.
Lets start with that. Repairing the wealth gap.
I agree that the wealth gap is an issue. I think it’s an issue for many races not just blacks. I’m having a very hard time understanding how your reparations program would realistically work. There are so many factors, it would be a giant mess
The US pays just like they paid the Japanese. The descendants of the enslaved get paid. Obviously if your family immigrated after any financial loss due to racism you wouldnt get anything.
White people always have a hard time with reparations which is exactly what I pointed out would happen. You even made the same excuses most of them make. You claim it would be too hard or it would be a mess. What would be so hard about it and why would it be a mess?