I have heard of women reporting rapes to the police, being disproven by footage from bar security cameras, showing the woman being extremely aggressive to those she claimed raped her.
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iamwhatiseem
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A good example was the college kid recently who was about to be sentenced for rape, was expelled from college because a girl said he raped her.
But late in the trial video from the bar, as well as his apartment lobby showed the girls was all over the guy. Kissing him, grabbing his cock and constantly throwing her arms around him.
WITHOUT that video - he would still be in jail.
In it unconscionable to have a legal system that gives one side complete control and assumed guilt is all you need to convict.
It is well past time to end this sexist and destructive system where many an innocent young man's life is ruined.
But late in the trial video from the bar, as well as his apartment lobby showed the girls was all over the guy. Kissing him, grabbing his cock and constantly throwing her arms around him.
WITHOUT that video - he would still be in jail.
In it unconscionable to have a legal system that gives one side complete control and assumed guilt is all you need to convict.
It is well past time to end this sexist and destructive system where many an innocent young man's life is ruined.
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I would have to read into it, but I seem to remember she was.
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Er umm… in your spirited defense of sexual predators, you seem to have forgotten the fact that THIS ONE was convicted by a jury of his peers, oh that’s right, you’re not a fan of due process for sex crimes since apparently in your world it’s always the victims fault whenever intoxicants are involved.Again, like someone else said, if you have to play dumb and ignore what is said to you in order to maintain a belief - then you should be smart enough to know that belief is a fail.It’s the SAME PRINCIPLE, a child cannot consent the same way an intoxicated person cannot consent.How the **** did you get to that stupid conclusion?So if a minor consents to sex with an adult, you're okay with that too? Because the legal concept of diminished capacity is the same underlying theory at play in this case. What you're claiming is that these women consented to be drugged and then consented to allow their attacker to do whatever the he wants to them while they're high, Cosby's 60 accusers disagree with your contention. It's also curious that the fact Cosby (by his own admission) had to give his victims drugs BEFORE having sex with them doesn't raise any alarm bells with you at all.Nope. I have a wonderful daughter. Who has grown to become an awesome adult, mother and wife.You don’t care what the law is? What do you prefer to the law? we just take the accused’s word for it and skip due process? Does that victim have any rights in your world?No.He wasn’t convicted of rape, he was convicted of SEXUAL ASSAULT meaning (in this case) inflicting sexual contact on a person that is incapable of giving consent, you know like a person that has been DRUGGED.OIC, blame the victims, that’s the ticket, never mind the fact that he was convicted by a jury of his peers.
The cases I looked at, the women knew what they were getting into, and took the drugs willing, whether just as a standard, "get high and screw" move, or to help with the act of prostitution they were doing.
Bill Cosby was a sexual harasser, in hollywood using his power to exchange favors for sex, from willing want a be actresses.
That is very sleazy and yes, predatory. It is not rape.
The women would have cases for sexual harassment suits against him, and/or the studios, imo.
BUt the rape charge is based on a lie, ie misrepresenting his words, of "giving drugs" to mean "drugging".
The 60 or so women that have accused him are uniformly saying that he initiated sexual contact after he had drugged them at which point they’re legally incapable of giving consent.
What you’re attempting to claim is that all 60 consented to being drugged and sexually assaulted, which is functionally the same thing as claiming it’s consensual if a severely mentally handicapped person that doesn’t understand what’s going on consents to sexual contact, in both cases it’s illegal sexual contact.
I don't care what the law is. The law can even say it is sexual assault, but it isn't.
If a woman is partying with someone, KNOWING full well sex is highly likely to occur, STAYS THERE..and then gets inebriated and is either drunk or high - she doesn't get to come back and say she was assaulted because she can't remember if, at the moment, she gave consent or not.
There have been FAAAAAR too many innocent men arrested due to a vindictive female getting him back for some unrelated occurence by claiming this.
FFS - 3/4 of the population of men are technically sexual predators if this were true.
Granted laws are just opinions on a piece of paper, however in this case the law is clearly designed to protect people with diminished capacity from sexual predation and I can only think of one group that would disagree with such laws, namely SEXUAL PREDATORS.
If she went to a party with a man, drank with the man, went back to his apartment...ALONE... drank more... wakes up a few hours later nude and wants the man arrested?? I would not agree with her.
You can't compare that with ACTUAL rape and assault in which a man outright rapes or sexually assaults a women under her objection.
People get drunk, they get high. They do things when they are drunk, they may agree to do things they wouldn't do sober - but that doesn't mean you get to put the other person in jail simply because you don't remember.
I had a good friend of mind get his career and reputation ruined by a stripper he went out with.
After the bar closed they went to his apartment where she drank like a fish and took drugs. They had sex. Two days later the cops showed up at his door and arrested him. She claimed he raped her by having sex with her while she was passed out. He says that is not what happened at all. In reality, he ended up getting saved by a few texts she sent him the following days. She wanted to pursue a relationship, he didn't and she got all pissed off and called the cops.
If not for those texts - he would have spent time in jail, maybe even years.
DIMINISHED CAPACITY DOES NOT EQUAL IMPLIED CONSENT, never has, never will and thank God for it.
I'm sure glad the law protects people from those that think like you do, otherwise sexual predation would be even more rampant than it is now.
Because I don't think a woman should be able to convict a man of rape because she was inebriated, and either don't remember what happened or has regrets - that means I am okay with a child predator??
I have seen you around, I wasn't aware you were this ridiculous??
What don’t you understand? You’re trying to place the blame on the victim because you seem to think “they had it coming” due to their mental state.
I’ve seen you around too and I WAS aware that you were this ridiculous.
So I will make it real simple...
1) A sober man sees a well intoxicated woman who obviously is very compromised by her condition. But seeks to use that condition in his favor and talks her into his car where he gives her more alcohol/drugs while maintaining his own sober'ish state. And has sex with her either as passed out or unable to stop him due to her extreme drunken state..... THAT is rape.
2) A sober man and sober women -OR - two adults both pretty well lit up - BOTH - decide to go off alone. They BOTH drink some more, BOTH get pretty drunk and they have sex.... THAT is not rape or assault. Even if she tries to claim she didn't give consent, because (thank God) men have luckily gotten off of a conviction due to video that existed showing the women was more than flirtatious. And therefore consent was given.
It is completely wrong and fucked up beyond all reason to have a condition where a woman can claim she was raped because either she don't remember giving consent or doesn't want anyone to know she did. And a man goes to prison for perhaps years.
Fortunately for those of us that are civilized we don’t live in your world.
You and your fellow members of The Advancement Of Sexual Predation Association are a waste of bandwidth.
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He's a hypocrite for sure, but his assessment certainly wasn't wrong. Study after study has shown this to be true.
Er umm… in your spirited defense of sexual predators, you seem to have forgotten the fact that THIS ONE was convicted by a jury of his peers, oh that’s right, you’re not a fan of due process for sex crimes since apparently in your world it’s always the victims fault whenever intoxicants are involved.Again, like someone else said, if you have to play dumb and ignore what is said to you in order to maintain a belief - then you should be smart enough to know that belief is a fail.It’s the SAME PRINCIPLE, a child cannot consent the same way an intoxicated person cannot consent.How the **** did you get to that stupid conclusion?So if a minor consents to sex with an adult, you're okay with that too? Because the legal concept of diminished capacity is the same underlying theory at play in this case. What you're claiming is that these women consented to be drugged and then consented to allow their attacker to do whatever the he wants to them while they're high, Cosby's 60 accusers disagree with your contention. It's also curious that the fact Cosby (by his own admission) had to give his victims drugs BEFORE having sex with them doesn't raise any alarm bells with you at all.Nope. I have a wonderful daughter. Who has grown to become an awesome adult, mother and wife.You don’t care what the law is? What do you prefer to the law? we just take the accused’s word for it and skip due process? Does that victim have any rights in your world?No.He wasn’t convicted of rape, he was convicted of SEXUAL ASSAULT meaning (in this case) inflicting sexual contact on a person that is incapable of giving consent, you know like a person that has been DRUGGED.OIC, blame the victims, that’s the ticket, never mind the fact that he was convicted by a jury of his peers.
The cases I looked at, the women knew what they were getting into, and took the drugs willing, whether just as a standard, "get high and screw" move, or to help with the act of prostitution they were doing.
Bill Cosby was a sexual harasser, in hollywood using his power to exchange favors for sex, from willing want a be actresses.
That is very sleazy and yes, predatory. It is not rape.
The women would have cases for sexual harassment suits against him, and/or the studios, imo.
BUt the rape charge is based on a lie, ie misrepresenting his words, of "giving drugs" to mean "drugging".
The 60 or so women that have accused him are uniformly saying that he initiated sexual contact after he had drugged them at which point they’re legally incapable of giving consent.
What you’re attempting to claim is that all 60 consented to being drugged and sexually assaulted, which is functionally the same thing as claiming it’s consensual if a severely mentally handicapped person that doesn’t understand what’s going on consents to sexual contact, in both cases it’s illegal sexual contact.
I don't care what the law is. The law can even say it is sexual assault, but it isn't.
If a woman is partying with someone, KNOWING full well sex is highly likely to occur, STAYS THERE..and then gets inebriated and is either drunk or high - she doesn't get to come back and say she was assaulted because she can't remember if, at the moment, she gave consent or not.
There have been FAAAAAR too many innocent men arrested due to a vindictive female getting him back for some unrelated occurence by claiming this.
FFS - 3/4 of the population of men are technically sexual predators if this were true.
Granted laws are just opinions on a piece of paper, however in this case the law is clearly designed to protect people with diminished capacity from sexual predation and I can only think of one group that would disagree with such laws, namely SEXUAL PREDATORS.
If she went to a party with a man, drank with the man, went back to his apartment...ALONE... drank more... wakes up a few hours later nude and wants the man arrested?? I would not agree with her.
You can't compare that with ACTUAL rape and assault in which a man outright rapes or sexually assaults a women under her objection.
People get drunk, they get high. They do things when they are drunk, they may agree to do things they wouldn't do sober - but that doesn't mean you get to put the other person in jail simply because you don't remember.
I had a good friend of mind get his career and reputation ruined by a stripper he went out with.
After the bar closed they went to his apartment where she drank like a fish and took drugs. They had sex. Two days later the cops showed up at his door and arrested him. She claimed he raped her by having sex with her while she was passed out. He says that is not what happened at all. In reality, he ended up getting saved by a few texts she sent him the following days. She wanted to pursue a relationship, he didn't and she got all pissed off and called the cops.
If not for those texts - he would have spent time in jail, maybe even years.
DIMINISHED CAPACITY DOES NOT EQUAL IMPLIED CONSENT, never has, never will and thank God for it.
I'm sure glad the law protects people from those that think like you do, otherwise sexual predation would be even more rampant than it is now.
Because I don't think a woman should be able to convict a man of rape because she was inebriated, and either don't remember what happened or has regrets - that means I am okay with a child predator??
I have seen you around, I wasn't aware you were this ridiculous??
What don’t you understand? You’re trying to place the blame on the victim because you seem to think “they had it coming” due to their mental state.
I’ve seen you around too and I WAS aware that you were this ridiculous.
So I will make it real simple...
1) A sober man sees a well intoxicated woman who obviously is very compromised by her condition. But seeks to use that condition in his favor and talks her into his car where he gives her more alcohol/drugs while maintaining his own sober'ish state. And has sex with her either as passed out or unable to stop him due to her extreme drunken state..... THAT is rape.
2) A sober man and sober women -OR - two adults both pretty well lit up - BOTH - decide to go off alone. They BOTH drink some more, BOTH get pretty drunk and they have sex.... THAT is not rape or assault. Even if she tries to claim she didn't give consent, because (thank God) men have luckily gotten off of a conviction due to video that existed showing the women was more than flirtatious. And therefore consent was given.
It is completely wrong and fucked up beyond all reason to have a condition where a woman can claim she was raped because either she don't remember giving consent or doesn't want anyone to know she did. And a man goes to prison for perhaps years.
Fortunately for those of us that are civilized we don’t live in your world.
You and your fellow members of The Advancement Of Sexual Predation Association are a waste of bandwidth.
Voluntarily taking drugs is not "being drugged".
iamwhatiseem
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And once again, when you have to alter what a person says and play dumb to maintain a narrative - you should be smart enough to know the narrative is false.Er umm… in your spirited defense of sexual predators, you seem to have forgotten the fact that THIS ONE was convicted by a jury of his peers, oh that’s right, you’re not a fan of due process for sex crimes since apparently in your world it’s always the victims fault whenever intoxicants are involved.Again, like someone else said, if you have to play dumb and ignore what is said to you in order to maintain a belief - then you should be smart enough to know that belief is a fail.It’s the SAME PRINCIPLE, a child cannot consent the same way an intoxicated person cannot consent.How the **** did you get to that stupid conclusion?So if a minor consents to sex with an adult, you're okay with that too? Because the legal concept of diminished capacity is the same underlying theory at play in this case. What you're claiming is that these women consented to be drugged and then consented to allow their attacker to do whatever the he wants to them while they're high, Cosby's 60 accusers disagree with your contention. It's also curious that the fact Cosby (by his own admission) had to give his victims drugs BEFORE having sex with them doesn't raise any alarm bells with you at all.Nope. I have a wonderful daughter. Who has grown to become an awesome adult, mother and wife.You don’t care what the law is? What do you prefer to the law? we just take the accused’s word for it and skip due process? Does that victim have any rights in your world?No.He wasn’t convicted of rape, he was convicted of SEXUAL ASSAULT meaning (in this case) inflicting sexual contact on a person that is incapable of giving consent, you know like a person that has been DRUGGED.OIC, blame the victims, that’s the ticket, never mind the fact that he was convicted by a jury of his peers.
The cases I looked at, the women knew what they were getting into, and took the drugs willing, whether just as a standard, "get high and screw" move, or to help with the act of prostitution they were doing.
Bill Cosby was a sexual harasser, in hollywood using his power to exchange favors for sex, from willing want a be actresses.
That is very sleazy and yes, predatory. It is not rape.
The women would have cases for sexual harassment suits against him, and/or the studios, imo.
BUt the rape charge is based on a lie, ie misrepresenting his words, of "giving drugs" to mean "drugging".
The 60 or so women that have accused him are uniformly saying that he initiated sexual contact after he had drugged them at which point they’re legally incapable of giving consent.
What you’re attempting to claim is that all 60 consented to being drugged and sexually assaulted, which is functionally the same thing as claiming it’s consensual if a severely mentally handicapped person that doesn’t understand what’s going on consents to sexual contact, in both cases it’s illegal sexual contact.
I don't care what the law is. The law can even say it is sexual assault, but it isn't.
If a woman is partying with someone, KNOWING full well sex is highly likely to occur, STAYS THERE..and then gets inebriated and is either drunk or high - she doesn't get to come back and say she was assaulted because she can't remember if, at the moment, she gave consent or not.
There have been FAAAAAR too many innocent men arrested due to a vindictive female getting him back for some unrelated occurence by claiming this.
FFS - 3/4 of the population of men are technically sexual predators if this were true.
Granted laws are just opinions on a piece of paper, however in this case the law is clearly designed to protect people with diminished capacity from sexual predation and I can only think of one group that would disagree with such laws, namely SEXUAL PREDATORS.
If she went to a party with a man, drank with the man, went back to his apartment...ALONE... drank more... wakes up a few hours later nude and wants the man arrested?? I would not agree with her.
You can't compare that with ACTUAL rape and assault in which a man outright rapes or sexually assaults a women under her objection.
People get drunk, they get high. They do things when they are drunk, they may agree to do things they wouldn't do sober - but that doesn't mean you get to put the other person in jail simply because you don't remember.
I had a good friend of mind get his career and reputation ruined by a stripper he went out with.
After the bar closed they went to his apartment where she drank like a fish and took drugs. They had sex. Two days later the cops showed up at his door and arrested him. She claimed he raped her by having sex with her while she was passed out. He says that is not what happened at all. In reality, he ended up getting saved by a few texts she sent him the following days. She wanted to pursue a relationship, he didn't and she got all pissed off and called the cops.
If not for those texts - he would have spent time in jail, maybe even years.
DIMINISHED CAPACITY DOES NOT EQUAL IMPLIED CONSENT, never has, never will and thank God for it.
I'm sure glad the law protects people from those that think like you do, otherwise sexual predation would be even more rampant than it is now.
Because I don't think a woman should be able to convict a man of rape because she was inebriated, and either don't remember what happened or has regrets - that means I am okay with a child predator??
I have seen you around, I wasn't aware you were this ridiculous??
What don’t you understand? You’re trying to place the blame on the victim because you seem to think “they had it coming” due to their mental state.
I’ve seen you around too and I WAS aware that you were this ridiculous.
So I will make it real simple...
1) A sober man sees a well intoxicated woman who obviously is very compromised by her condition. But seeks to use that condition in his favor and talks her into his car where he gives her more alcohol/drugs while maintaining his own sober'ish state. And has sex with her either as passed out or unable to stop him due to her extreme drunken state..... THAT is rape.
2) A sober man and sober women -OR - two adults both pretty well lit up - BOTH - decide to go off alone. They BOTH drink some more, BOTH get pretty drunk and they have sex.... THAT is not rape or assault. Even if she tries to claim she didn't give consent, because (thank God) men have luckily gotten off of a conviction due to video that existed showing the women was more than flirtatious. And therefore consent was given.
It is completely wrong and fucked up beyond all reason to have a condition where a woman can claim she was raped because either she don't remember giving consent or doesn't want anyone to know she did. And a man goes to prison for perhaps years.
Fortunately for those of us that are civilized we don’t live in your world.
You and your fellow members of The Advancement Of Sexual Predation Association are a waste of bandwidth.
But I understand, virtue signaling and faux moral claiming is what is most important to all leftist. So I expect nothing different.
Of course, if the kid in the video was YOUR SON... I have no doubt you would have a sudden wave of logic and demand fairness.
It's not a political issue...but it seems Dems give cover to their rank and file, donors, and leadership that does it...from Epstein, to Weinstein, to Clinton
Cosby, and I certainly make no defense over what he did or didn't do, had political clout...he certainly did, and was a voice that called out leftwingers that played race politics, and pushed a narrative that leftwingers and their race baiters didn't like....the infamous Pound Cake speech is one of those moments...where he tried to get African-Americans to stop playing the victim card, and hold personal accountablity. So when allegations were made against Cosby, he was never given any benefit of the doubt others have gotten.
His Pound Cake speech still rings true today...and is a message that should be taught, it runs against the BLM message:
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Seawytch
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If you gave me a beer, but told me it was a coke and I drank it, you would be guilty of lying and drugging me against my will. The women did not willingly take the quaaludes.Seriously, WTF is wrong with you? Yes, he drugged them. He gave them quaaludes, admitted it under oath. Those are a drug, dumbass.
Why Bill Cosby Admitted to Getting Drugs to Have Sex With Women
Experts address how someone with access to the best legal advice could have made such an explosive admissiontime.com
If I give you a beer, and then you drink it, did I drug you, you brainless moron?
You are soo lost to confirmation bias, you can't read what other people are writing.
If you gave me a beer, but told me it was a coke and I drank it, you would be guilty of lying and drugging me against my will. The women did not willingly take the quaaludes.Seriously, WTF is wrong with you? Yes, he drugged them. He gave them quaaludes, admitted it under oath. Those are a drug, dumbass.
Why Bill Cosby Admitted to Getting Drugs to Have Sex With Women
Experts address how someone with access to the best legal advice could have made such an explosive admission
If I give you a beer, and then you drink it, did I drug you, you brainless moron?
You are soo lost to confirmation bias, you can't read what other people are writing.
This girl here, wanted to talk to Bill about her career.
He said sure, let's go to Lake Tahoe and talk about it.
They get there, there go to their motel room and he hands her a pill, to talk about her acting career. She takes it.
He did not tell her it was a "coke". She took the drug willing, to get high, on purpose, as part of the sex encounter.
Seawytch
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Not all of them took the drugs willingly. And intoxication is not an invitation to rape. 60 women accused him of sexual assault and rape. He was rightfully convinced of his crimes by a jury of his peers. Cosby is a rapist free on a bullshit technicality.If you gave me a beer, but told me it was a coke and I drank it, you would be guilty of lying and drugging me against my will. The women did not willingly take the quaaludes.Seriously, WTF is wrong with you? Yes, he drugged them. He gave them quaaludes, admitted it under oath. Those are a drug, dumbass.
Why Bill Cosby Admitted to Getting Drugs to Have Sex With Women
Experts address how someone with access to the best legal advice could have made such an explosive admission
If I give you a beer, and then you drink it, did I drug you, you brainless moron?
You are soo lost to confirmation bias, you can't read what other people are writing.
This girl here, wanted to talk to Bill about her career.
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He said sure, let's go to Lake Tahoe and talk about it.
They get there, there go to their motel room and he hands her a pill, to talk about her acting career. She takes it.
He did not tell her it was a "coke". She took the drug willing, to get high, on purpose, as part of the sex encounter.
Seawytch
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Hey, INCEL assholes that think intoxication is an invitation...
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