The original intent of the second amendment

[Rye Catcher]

So food sold at walmarts are grown and raised in China

Who knew?

In cans, bozo, I don't know if walmarts have fresh produce or meat.

 

[miketx]

It's a moot point 250 years later. The Founding Fathers might have foresaw the need of civilians to be able to defend themselves against simple assault and robbery and have the right to engage in sport shooting and hunting. The Supreme Court has upheld the 2nd Amendment in several decisions.

Riiiiiiiight. Total bullshit.

 

[Flash]

The leadership of a new America, which arose out of rebellion itself, or fearful of being called traitors and executed. That is one reason they did not establish a federal army, besides the fact they didn't have the money to fund it. If you read the second amendment in its entirety. The right for citizens to bear arms was given to the states so they could form their own well-regulated militias. It was their opinion but the states were so divided that they would never combined forces and attack the federal government. If not for that fact, the second amendment would not exist at all.

The intent of the Second is stated in the amendment very clearly; "...necessary for the security of a free state".

 

[Rye Catcher]

It's a moot point 250 years later. The Founding Fathers might have foresaw the need of civilians to be able to defend themselves against simple assault and robbery and have the right to engage in sport shooting and hunting. The Supreme Court has upheld the 2nd Amendment in several decisions.

In Heller, Scalia weakened the "shall not be infringed" dependent clause.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State is an independent clause;

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed is a dependent clause.

https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/punctuation/independent_and_dependent_clauses/index.html

 

[justinacolmena]

See, the problem with a free society........

Is that Little Statist Bitches who hate freedom are free to work to bring it down

Democrats and small town Republicans.

 

[Stann]

4:1 it's Fake Malarkey.

What an odd name. Your parents actually did that to you.

 

[Stann]

In Heller, Scalia weakened the "shall not be infringed" dependent clause.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State is an independent clause;

"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed is a dependent clause.

https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/punctuation/independent_and_dependent_clauses/index.html

. the people not a person collective action dependent on the first statement.

 

[danielpalos]

To keep and bear arms is the right of the people. The people. Individual human beings with trigger fingers. Got that?

No not States. And not subject to States rights either. That's a pre-civil war Democrat concept.

Guns are never outdated.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)

 

[justinacolmena]

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)

The Mafia Constitution doesn't apply in my state.

 

[danielpalos]

The Mafia Constitution doesn't apply in my state.

All States have that police power.

 

[progressive hunter]

Where in the 2nd A. are guns noted?

where are they not included??

 

[justinacolmena]

All States have that police power.

So you are pro-Mafia, pro-organized crime then, and that is your agenda of depriving law abiding people of their Firearms and other weapons.

 

[danielpalos]

So you are pro-Mafia, pro-organized crime then, and that is your agenda of depriving law abiding people of their Firearms and other weapons.

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the
people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

[justinacolmena]

well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the
people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

So where does that give "the state" the right to infringe the people's right to keep and bear Arms?

That is, a free state, where people are free to possess and carry Firearms and other weapons, not a slave state where guns are banned.

 

[danielpalos]

So where does that give "the state" the right to infringe the people's right to keep and bear Arms?

That is, a free state, where people are free to possess and carry Firearms and other weapons, not a slave state where guns are banned.

The People are the militia, you are either well regulated or unorganized. The unorganized militia as Individuals are subject to the police power of their State.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. (Illinois State Constitution)

 

[justinacolmena]

The unorganized militia as Individuals are subject to the police power of their State

That is irrelevant. I don't live in a Mafia state, and the Chicago aldermen cannot have any say about my rights to possess and carry Firearms and other weapons.

 

[danielpalos]

That is irrelevant. I don't live in a Mafia state, and the Chicago aldermen cannot have any say about my rights to possess and carry Firearms and other weapons.

The police power is a State's right. Individuals of the People are subject to the police power.

 

[justinacolmena]

The police power is a State's right. Individuals of the People are subject to the police power.

Is this the USA? Or is it some totalitarian police state I am unaware of?

 

[danielpalos]

Is this the USA? Or is it some totalitarian police state I am unaware of?

It is just your ignorance of the law.

 

[justinacolmena]

It is just your ignorance of the law.

You are totally ignorant, not only of the U.S. Constitution, but of every principle of law anywhere under the authority of the U.S.