The modern day police officer has become the old Vietnam vet

[Moonglow]

I was a sailor and got spit on and called baby killer inside LAX wearing Dress Blues by a group of hippies. I was alone and of course that started a spitting contest and I bared my fists. A Marine Officer came running running wanting to kick all their I said no sir I'm going home on leave.

Sure you were, buddy. Sure you were.

So when did this happen? Was there documentation. Because at that time, people didn't go through the airports in uniform. They returned to bases and then were dispatched in civilian clothing.

1974, asshole. I went to Westpac, twice and Commander 7th Fleet came to see me, once.

Did you drop something and he was returning it?

 

[Moonglow]

Protestors spitting on soldiers is an overblown myth started by those who feared the hippies were getting too much mainstream support for ending the dirtiest war America ever fought. For the most part the antiwar protestors saved their rage for the generals and politicians who perpetuated the war. Those people deserved way worse than spit.

Actually, it wasn't even that. The myth really didn't start appearing until the 1980's.

Newsweek repeats the myth of the gobbed-upon Vietnam vet.

The myth of the spat-upon Vietnam veteran refuses to die. Despite Jerry Lembcke's debunking book from 1998, Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the...

slate.com

Lembcke writes:

If spitting on veterans had occurred all that frequently, surely some veteran or soldier would have called it to the attention of the press at the time. … Indeed, we would imagine that news reporters would have been camping in the lobby of the San Francisco airport, cameras in hand, just waiting for a chance to record the real thing—if, that is, they had any reason to believe that such incidents might occur.

In researching the book, Lembcke found no news accounts or even claims from the late 1960s or early 1970s of vets getting spat at. He did, however, uncover ample news stories about anti-war protesters receiving the saliva shower from anti-anti-war types.

Then, starting around 1980, members of the Vietnam War generation began sharing the tales, which Lembcke calls “urban myths.” As with most urban myths, the details of the spat-upon vets vary slightly from telling to telling, while the basic story remains the same. The protester almost always ambushes the soldier in an airport (not uncommonly the San Francisco airport), after he’s just flown back to the states from Asia. The soiled soldier either slinks away or does nothing.

One of the early vet-spit stories appears in First Blood, the 1982 film that was the first of the Rambo stories. John Rambo, played by Sylvester Stallone, claims to have been spat upon by protesters at the airport when he returned from Vietnam. “Protesting me. Spitting. Calling me baby killer,” Rambo says. “Who are they to protest me?”

A total lie and hardcore Leftist/Communist propaganda. I was there. I saw and experienced the spitting and much worse. The left simply would like to rewrite history in an attempt to look a little less like the anti-American pro-communist traitors many of them were at this time. I was an American soldier; not some kind of war monger. I served because my Country called on me to do so. I believed it to be my duty as an American citizen to serve if called. Still do. The many sniveling cowards who ran off to become Canadians were just like those who order big expensive meals but vanish when it's time to pay the check. All take; no give. And those traitors like Jane Fonda and John Kerry who actively worked for the enemy during time of war should have faced a firing squad and continue to deserve to.

Trump actually eats the big meal and laughs about how he didn't have to be in Nam..

 

[9thIDdoc]

Protestors spitting on soldiers is an overblown myth started by those who feared the hippies were getting too much mainstream support for ending the dirtiest war America ever fought. For the most part the antiwar protestors saved their rage for the generals and politicians who perpetuated the war. Those people deserved way worse than spit.

Actually, it wasn't even that. The myth really didn't start appearing until the 1980's.

Newsweek repeats the myth of the gobbed-upon Vietnam vet.

The myth of the spat-upon Vietnam veteran refuses to die. Despite Jerry Lembcke's debunking book from 1998, Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the...

slate.com

Lembcke writes:

If spitting on veterans had occurred all that frequently, surely some veteran or soldier would have called it to the attention of the press at the time. … Indeed, we would imagine that news reporters would have been camping in the lobby of the San Francisco airport, cameras in hand, just waiting for a chance to record the real thing—if, that is, they had any reason to believe that such incidents might occur.

In researching the book, Lembcke found no news accounts or even claims from the late 1960s or early 1970s of vets getting spat at. He did, however, uncover ample news stories about anti-war protesters receiving the saliva shower from anti-anti-war types.

Then, starting around 1980, members of the Vietnam War generation began sharing the tales, which Lembcke calls “urban myths.” As with most urban myths, the details of the spat-upon vets vary slightly from telling to telling, while the basic story remains the same. The protester almost always ambushes the soldier in an airport (not uncommonly the San Francisco airport), after he’s just flown back to the states from Asia. The soiled soldier either slinks away or does nothing.

One of the early vet-spit stories appears in First Blood, the 1982 film that was the first of the Rambo stories. John Rambo, played by Sylvester Stallone, claims to have been spat upon by protesters at the airport when he returned from Vietnam. “Protesting me. Spitting. Calling me baby killer,” Rambo says. “Who are they to protest me?”

A total lie and hardcore Leftist/Communist propaganda. I was there. I saw and experienced the spitting and much worse. The left simply would like to rewrite history in an attempt to look a little less like the anti-American pro-communist traitors many of them were at this time. I was an American soldier; not some kind of war monger. I served because my Country called on me to do so. I believed it to be my duty as an American citizen to serve if called. Still do. The many sniveling cowards who ran off to become Canadians were just like those who order big expensive meals but vanish when it's time to pay the check. All take; no give. And those traitors like Jane Fonda and John Kerry who actively worked for the enemy during time of war should have faced a firing squad and continue to deserve to.

Trump actually eats the big meal and laughs about how he didn't have to be in Nam..

So? I would have happily missed the experience also.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Wow, this is a lot of babbling, but let's break it down.

Does anyone remember or ,learned of the time when Vietnam Vets would come home to the states after the war in the 1960s, only to be spit on by the Left in their own country?

Um, no, that never happened. The whole "Spitting on soldiers" thing was a myth that was promoted in the 1980's as part of the Right Wing's "Stabbed in the Back" excuse about why they surrendered in Vietnam.

Can you imagine fighting a war in the jungles of Vietnam having just surrendered years of your life or lost buddies during the conflict that became closer than family, a war where you came back after being exposed to Agent Orange only to find out that the government would deny you health care, along with the myriad of soldiers who committed suicide because they could no longer live with the demons created in the minds of these poor Vets during that horrific war?

Um, okay. And that was different from any other war, how? My dad served in WWII, the supposed "Good War", but he had PTSD for the rest of his life (which was very short, he died at 56). Guys who came back from the Gulf War had Gulf War Syndrome, and they STILL don't know if that was because of half-assed Anthrax Vaccines or chemical weapons that Saddam might have released.

You are then confronted to a society that has learned to hate you because the media only reported instances where Vietnam Vets may have committed a war crime, mind you all wars have war crimes. It does not matter the war or races involved. But in the minds of many in the public, all Vets became baby killers. What is ironic today is, the Left loves real baby killers as they openly embrace abortion on demand.

Except nobody really thought that, and more often than not, the guys in those protests were the guys who just got back from Vietnam and knew the war was bullshit. Let's not forget, the reason we got stuck with four more years of Dubya's incompetence is because he was able to demonize a decorated vet's protests against an unjust war. (Dubya himself got a cush job in the National Guard where he didn't even show up for drills).

If anything, the problem is that we didn't punish war crimes in Vietnam. Rusty Calley, the only guy convicted in the Mai Lai Massacre, spent less than year in prison. Just as of the 1000 AMERICANS who are killed by police every year, only a handful lose their jobs, and ones that go to prison are rare.

I was listening to Dennis Prager today and he said something very profound. He speculates as to why the Left hated the Vietnam Vet as well as the modern day police officer. His theory is that the Left hates those that fight evil because Leftism is based upon an evil premise.

Wow. Really? And what did Dennis Prager do in Vietnam? He was born in 1948, which means he would have been old enough to have served in Vietnam. So if he thought it was this crusade against "Evil", why didn't he sign up? He's up there with all the right wing hypocrites like Cheney, Bush, Trump, Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich who all found ways to avoid service in Vietnam, while guys like Kerry and Gore actually DID go. Not to mention the shameful way the right has treated John McCain.

Of course, no one hated the Vietnam vet, he was seen as a victim of a government that lied to send him over to die for a cause they knew from the start they couldn't win.

And so it goes, police officers are also there to fight evil. However, this is a duty of the US government, to fight evil within it's own borders. Without this duty being fulfilled, government has no purpose.. You might even say that as the Left continues to wage war on the police, whether it be constantly accusing them of racism, or whether it be defunding them, or whether it be causing many police to quit their jobs or cause others not to want the job, the Left is causing government to have less and less legitimacy every day. In fact, as they attack the police, that is those who can use deadly force to defend you against deadly force, they want to also take away your guns. Have they even wondered how they will take away everyone's guns without a police force? LOL.

We spend 193 BILLION dollars a year on police in this country. The Police are not underfunded. If the police have a problem, it's largely one of their own making, because they aren't the ones firing the "Bad Apples".

John Kerry is an self admitted war criminal

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Protestors spitting on soldiers is an overblown myth started by those who feared the hippies were getting too much mainstream support for ending the dirtiest war America ever fought. For the most part the antiwar protestors saved their rage for the generals and politicians who perpetuated the war. Those people deserved way worse than spit.

Actually, it wasn't even that. The myth really didn't start appearing until the 1980's.

Newsweek repeats the myth of the gobbed-upon Vietnam vet.

The myth of the spat-upon Vietnam veteran refuses to die. Despite Jerry Lembcke's debunking book from 1998, Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the...

slate.com

Lembcke writes:

If spitting on veterans had occurred all that frequently, surely some veteran or soldier would have called it to the attention of the press at the time. … Indeed, we would imagine that news reporters would have been camping in the lobby of the San Francisco airport, cameras in hand, just waiting for a chance to record the real thing—if, that is, they had any reason to believe that such incidents might occur.

In researching the book, Lembcke found no news accounts or even claims from the late 1960s or early 1970s of vets getting spat at. He did, however, uncover ample news stories about anti-war protesters receiving the saliva shower from anti-anti-war types.

Then, starting around 1980, members of the Vietnam War generation began sharing the tales, which Lembcke calls “urban myths.” As with most urban myths, the details of the spat-upon vets vary slightly from telling to telling, while the basic story remains the same. The protester almost always ambushes the soldier in an airport (not uncommonly the San Francisco airport), after he’s just flown back to the states from Asia. The soiled soldier either slinks away or does nothing.

One of the early vet-spit stories appears in First Blood, the 1982 film that was the first of the Rambo stories. John Rambo, played by Sylvester Stallone, claims to have been spat upon by protesters at the airport when he returned from Vietnam. “Protesting me. Spitting. Calling me baby killer,” Rambo says. “Who are they to protest me?”

A total lie and hardcore Leftist/Communist propaganda. I was there. I saw and experienced the spitting and much worse. The left simply would like to rewrite history in an attempt to look a little less like the anti-American pro-communist traitors many of them were at this time. I was an American soldier; not some kind of war monger. I served because my Country called on me to do so. I believed it to be my duty as an American citizen to serve if called. Still do. The many sniveling cowards who ran off to become Canadians were just like those who order big expensive meals but vanish when it's time to pay the check. All take; no give. And those traitors like Jane Fonda and John Kerry who actively worked for the enemy during time of war should have faced a firing squad and continue to deserve to.

Trump actually eats the big meal and laughs about how he didn't have to be in Nam..

Him and Joe "5 deferments" Biden

 

[Moonglow]

Protestors spitting on soldiers is an overblown myth started by those who feared the hippies were getting too much mainstream support for ending the dirtiest war America ever fought. For the most part the antiwar protestors saved their rage for the generals and politicians who perpetuated the war. Those people deserved way worse than spit.

Actually, it wasn't even that. The myth really didn't start appearing until the 1980's.

Newsweek repeats the myth of the gobbed-upon Vietnam vet.

The myth of the spat-upon Vietnam veteran refuses to die. Despite Jerry Lembcke's debunking book from 1998, Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the...

slate.com

Lembcke writes:

If spitting on veterans had occurred all that frequently, surely some veteran or soldier would have called it to the attention of the press at the time. … Indeed, we would imagine that news reporters would have been camping in the lobby of the San Francisco airport, cameras in hand, just waiting for a chance to record the real thing—if, that is, they had any reason to believe that such incidents might occur.

In researching the book, Lembcke found no news accounts or even claims from the late 1960s or early 1970s of vets getting spat at. He did, however, uncover ample news stories about anti-war protesters receiving the saliva shower from anti-anti-war types.

Then, starting around 1980, members of the Vietnam War generation began sharing the tales, which Lembcke calls “urban myths.” As with most urban myths, the details of the spat-upon vets vary slightly from telling to telling, while the basic story remains the same. The protester almost always ambushes the soldier in an airport (not uncommonly the San Francisco airport), after he’s just flown back to the states from Asia. The soiled soldier either slinks away or does nothing.

One of the early vet-spit stories appears in First Blood, the 1982 film that was the first of the Rambo stories. John Rambo, played by Sylvester Stallone, claims to have been spat upon by protesters at the airport when he returned from Vietnam. “Protesting me. Spitting. Calling me baby killer,” Rambo says. “Who are they to protest me?”

A total lie and hardcore Leftist/Communist propaganda. I was there. I saw and experienced the spitting and much worse. The left simply would like to rewrite history in an attempt to look a little less like the anti-American pro-communist traitors many of them were at this time. I was an American soldier; not some kind of war monger. I served because my Country called on me to do so. I believed it to be my duty as an American citizen to serve if called. Still do. The many sniveling cowards who ran off to become Canadians were just like those who order big expensive meals but vanish when it's time to pay the check. All take; no give. And those traitors like Jane Fonda and John Kerry who actively worked for the enemy during time of war should have faced a firing squad and continue to deserve to.

Trump actually eats the big meal and laughs about how he didn't have to be in Nam..

So? I would have happily missed the experience also.

Then you wouldn't be the man you are today...

 

[Moonglow]

Protestors spitting on soldiers is an overblown myth started by those who feared the hippies were getting too much mainstream support for ending the dirtiest war America ever fought. For the most part the antiwar protestors saved their rage for the generals and politicians who perpetuated the war. Those people deserved way worse than spit.

Actually, it wasn't even that. The myth really didn't start appearing until the 1980's.

Newsweek repeats the myth of the gobbed-upon Vietnam vet.

The myth of the spat-upon Vietnam veteran refuses to die. Despite Jerry Lembcke's debunking book from 1998, Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the...

slate.com

Lembcke writes:

If spitting on veterans had occurred all that frequently, surely some veteran or soldier would have called it to the attention of the press at the time. … Indeed, we would imagine that news reporters would have been camping in the lobby of the San Francisco airport, cameras in hand, just waiting for a chance to record the real thing—if, that is, they had any reason to believe that such incidents might occur.

In researching the book, Lembcke found no news accounts or even claims from the late 1960s or early 1970s of vets getting spat at. He did, however, uncover ample news stories about anti-war protesters receiving the saliva shower from anti-anti-war types.

Then, starting around 1980, members of the Vietnam War generation began sharing the tales, which Lembcke calls “urban myths.” As with most urban myths, the details of the spat-upon vets vary slightly from telling to telling, while the basic story remains the same. The protester almost always ambushes the soldier in an airport (not uncommonly the San Francisco airport), after he’s just flown back to the states from Asia. The soiled soldier either slinks away or does nothing.

One of the early vet-spit stories appears in First Blood, the 1982 film that was the first of the Rambo stories. John Rambo, played by Sylvester Stallone, claims to have been spat upon by protesters at the airport when he returned from Vietnam. “Protesting me. Spitting. Calling me baby killer,” Rambo says. “Who are they to protest me?”

A total lie and hardcore Leftist/Communist propaganda. I was there. I saw and experienced the spitting and much worse. The left simply would like to rewrite history in an attempt to look a little less like the anti-American pro-communist traitors many of them were at this time. I was an American soldier; not some kind of war monger. I served because my Country called on me to do so. I believed it to be my duty as an American citizen to serve if called. Still do. The many sniveling cowards who ran off to become Canadians were just like those who order big expensive meals but vanish when it's time to pay the check. All take; no give. And those traitors like Jane Fonda and John Kerry who actively worked for the enemy during time of war should have faced a firing squad and continue to deserve to.

Trump actually eats the big meal and laughs about how he didn't have to be in Nam..

Him and Joe "5 deferments" Biden

Cowards and traitors to the cause. My old man loved the army..

 

[Crepitus]

I was listening to Dennis Prager today

Well there, as they say, is your problem.

 

[Votto]

I was a sailor and got spit on and called baby killer inside LAX wearing Dress Blues by a group of hippies. I was alone and of course that started a spitting contest and I bared my fists. A Marine Officer came running running wanting to kick all their I said no sir I'm going home on leave.

Sure you were, buddy. Sure you were.

So when did this happen? Was there documentation. Because at that time, people didn't go through the airports in uniform. They returned to bases and then were dispatched in civilian clothing.

The left is too busy trying to rewrite history.

Why not go tear down another statue or something rather than dishonor people who put their lives on the line for history changing dolts like yourself?

 

[Votto]

I was listening to Dennis Prager today

Well there, as they say, is your problem.

What is funny is, Dennis is routinely called, "racist, xenophobe, bigot, misogynist, and anti-Semite" by the Left.

Most of them probably have no idea he is a practicing Jew.

That is the vacuous hate filled left for you.

 

[Auld Phart]

I was a sailor and got spit on and called baby killer inside LAX wearing Dress Blues by a group of hippies. I was alone and of course that started a spitting contest and I bared my fists. A Marine Officer came running running wanting to kick all their I said no sir I'm going home on leave.

Sure you were, buddy. Sure you were.

So when did this happen? Was there documentation. Because at that time, people didn't go through the airports in uniform. They returned to bases and then were dispatched in civilian clothing.

Because at that time, people didn't go through the airports in uniform.

Bullshit.

I enlisted in '69, and the only time I wore civvies was while I was home on leave.

Any travel, any time off, was spent in uniform.

(unless involved in athletic events)

 

[9thIDdoc]

Protestors spitting on soldiers is an overblown myth started by those who feared the hippies were getting too much mainstream support for ending the dirtiest war America ever fought. For the most part the antiwar protestors saved their rage for the generals and politicians who perpetuated the war. Those people deserved way worse than spit.

Actually, it wasn't even that. The myth really didn't start appearing until the 1980's.

Newsweek repeats the myth of the gobbed-upon Vietnam vet.

The myth of the spat-upon Vietnam veteran refuses to die. Despite Jerry Lembcke's debunking book from 1998, Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the...

slate.com

Lembcke writes:

If spitting on veterans had occurred all that frequently, surely some veteran or soldier would have called it to the attention of the press at the time. … Indeed, we would imagine that news reporters would have been camping in the lobby of the San Francisco airport, cameras in hand, just waiting for a chance to record the real thing—if, that is, they had any reason to believe that such incidents might occur.

In researching the book, Lembcke found no news accounts or even claims from the late 1960s or early 1970s of vets getting spat at. He did, however, uncover ample news stories about anti-war protesters receiving the saliva shower from anti-anti-war types.

Then, starting around 1980, members of the Vietnam War generation began sharing the tales, which Lembcke calls “urban myths.” As with most urban myths, the details of the spat-upon vets vary slightly from telling to telling, while the basic story remains the same. The protester almost always ambushes the soldier in an airport (not uncommonly the San Francisco airport), after he’s just flown back to the states from Asia. The soiled soldier either slinks away or does nothing.

One of the early vet-spit stories appears in First Blood, the 1982 film that was the first of the Rambo stories. John Rambo, played by Sylvester Stallone, claims to have been spat upon by protesters at the airport when he returned from Vietnam. “Protesting me. Spitting. Calling me baby killer,” Rambo says. “Who are they to protest me?”

A total lie and hardcore Leftist/Communist propaganda. I was there. I saw and experienced the spitting and much worse. The left simply would like to rewrite history in an attempt to look a little less like the anti-American pro-communist traitors many of them were at this time. I was an American soldier; not some kind of war monger. I served because my Country called on me to do so. I believed it to be my duty as an American citizen to serve if called. Still do. The many sniveling cowards who ran off to become Canadians were just like those who order big expensive meals but vanish when it's time to pay the check. All take; no give. And those traitors like Jane Fonda and John Kerry who actively worked for the enemy during time of war should have faced a firing squad and continue to deserve to.

Trump actually eats the big meal and laughs about how he didn't have to be in Nam..

So? I would have happily missed the experience also.

Then you wouldn't be the man you are today...

Disabled with a piss-poor attitude? Not exactly what I aspired to be.

 

[xband]

I was a sailor and got spit on and called baby killer inside LAX wearing Dress Blues by a group of hippies. I was alone and of course that started a spitting contest and I bared my fists. A Marine Officer came running running wanting to kick all their I said no sir I'm going home on leave.

Sure you were, buddy. Sure you were.

So when did this happen? Was there documentation. Because at that time, people didn't go through the airports in uniform. They returned to bases and then were dispatched in civilian clothing.

1974, asshole. I went to Westpac, twice and Commander 7th Fleet came to see me, once.

Did you drop something and he was returning it?

Word got out that I had a pet Owl caught on the Quaviet River during Typhoon Maria.. Also called Cuaviet, cua means canal in French. 17th parallel

 

[Moonglow]

I was a sailor and got spit on and called baby killer inside LAX wearing Dress Blues by a group of hippies. I was alone and of course that started a spitting contest and I bared my fists. A Marine Officer came running running wanting to kick all their I said no sir I'm going home on leave.

Sure you were, buddy. Sure you were.

So when did this happen? Was there documentation. Because at that time, people didn't go through the airports in uniform. They returned to bases and then were dispatched in civilian clothing.

1974, asshole. I went to Westpac, twice and Commander 7th Fleet came to see me, once.

Did you drop something and he was returning it?

Word got out that I had a pet Owl caught on the Quaviet River during Typhoon Maria..

My sergeant was always telling me my locker was so dirty I could raise veggies in it, so I ask him what he preferred I grow.

 

[Votto]

I was a sailor and got spit on and called baby killer inside LAX wearing Dress Blues by a group of hippies. I was alone and of course that started a spitting contest and I bared my fists. A Marine Officer came running running wanting to kick all their I said no sir I'm going home on leave.

Sure you were, buddy. Sure you were.

So when did this happen? Was there documentation. Because at that time, people didn't go through the airports in uniform. They returned to bases and then were dispatched in civilian clothing.

Because at that time, people didn't go through the airports in uniform.

Bullshit.

I enlisted in '69, and the only time I wore civvies was while I was home on leave.

Any travel, any time off, was spent in uniform.

(unless involved in athletic events)

What is sad is, the Left dishonored Vets coming home from the war by mistreating them, and now they are doing it today by calling Vets liars for saying they were mistreated. I reckon Vets can't die fast enough to cover the history of it for them.

Disrespect for Vietnam vets is fact, not fiction - StarTribune.com

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I am a combat-disabled Army veteran who served in Vietnam in 1968-69. I was infantry, in the field, fighting the most misunderstood and unpopular war in American history. I've studied the history, and I've lived it.
And David Sirota is wrong about the history and policies of that war and about the treatment of returning military men and women ("The myth of the spat-upon war veteran," June 8).
Contrary to protesters' claims, then and now, the Vietnam War did not begin without good reasons. It was a direct result of the 1945 Yalta Conference, where Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill agreed to abandon the Vietnamese (who had helped defeat the Japanese in World War II) and give all of Indo-China back to the French. Despite U.S. economic support and military advisers, the French lost the ensuing Vietnamese independence struggle and withdrew from all of Indo-China. Vietnam ended up divided.
In the era when the North Vietnamese invaded the South, the world was facing Russian colonialism, the spread of communism, nuclear arms, the Cuban missile crisis and other threats to world peace. We fought to "contain" communist aggression and adopted the "domino theory," believing that if one country in a region fell, the rest would. Although the history of the past 50 years is complex, it's fair to observe that the spread of communism has been contained.
We need to remember that it was the South Vietnamese government that lost their war, not the much-maligned American soldier. American service members did not suffer defeat, even though most of us felt defeated. Policy and politics out of Washington had failed, not the military.
Vietnam vets were raised in a society that honored veterans. Despite Sirota's contentions, Vietnam vets were a bit crushed coming home. We were not honored, but were treated as the face of an unpopular war.
I am not aware of many Vietnam vets who were not subjected to some disrespect, either personal or from the culture that called us "baby killers." We were shamed and embarrassed. My car (with a military base sticker) was "egged." I bought a wig to hide my military haircut.
The spitting on veterans was just a small part of the overall feeling of lost honor, but it was real, contrary to Sirota's article, which appears to borrow heavily from a review of a book written by socialist and war protester Jerry Lembcke.
In his purported study, Lembcke's sampling was not random, it was statistically insignificant, and he stated that stories of spitting first surfaced in the 1980s. And he espouses that post-traumatic stress disorder was an invention of the government to garner support for the war.
But Lembcke is refuted by many other sources, including Jim Lindgren, a Northwestern University law professor who cited news accounts that documented many spitting incidents. One example: A 1967 Bucks County Courier Times article reporting that two sailors were spat on outside a high school football game by a gang of about 10 young men. One of the sailors was stabbed.
Others:
• In October 1967, Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter James Reston's front page article in the New York Times described his eyewitness account of protest behavior so vulgar that spitting was the least of the transgressions.
• Even Medal of Honor recipients were abused and "spat upon as 'monsters'," according to the head of the Congressional Medal of Honor Society, WWII medalist Thomas J. Kelly. Kelly recounted how about 200 anti-war protesters showed up one year to harass the Medal of Honor recipients at their annual dinner. WWII Medalist James Conners was unable to avoid a particularly obnoxious man yelling, "Killer, killer, killer." Conners decked him.
• Other spitting incidents were reported by Pulitzer Prize winners Max Frankel in the New York Times (November 1969) and Carl Bernstein in the Washington Post (May 1970).
Lembcke is an avowed socialist and has tried to use incomplete or dishonest research to lend credence to his government-as-pro-war conspiracy theories, to use the 9-million-plus Vietnam-era veterans as anti-war pawns.
Let's all stop listening to those who refuse to consider the facts. Our Vietnam experience ended more than 40 years past, and it deserves to be judged by history.
I do not wish to have my record of service dishonored again.

 

[xband]

I was a sailor and got spit on and called baby killer inside LAX wearing Dress Blues by a group of hippies. I was alone and of course that started a spitting contest and I bared my fists. A Marine Officer came running running wanting to kick all their I said no sir I'm going home on leave.

Sure you were, buddy. Sure you were.

So when did this happen? Was there documentation. Because at that time, people didn't go through the airports in uniform. They returned to bases and then were dispatched in civilian clothing.

Because at that time, people didn't go through the airports in uniform.

Bullshit.

I enlisted in '69, and the only time I wore civvies was while I was home on leave.

Any travel, any time off, was spent in uniform.

(unless involved in athletic events)

What is sad is, the Left dishonored Vets coming home from the war by mistreating them, and now they are doing it today by calling Vets liars for saying they were mistreated. I reckon Vets can't die fast enough to cover the history of it for them.

Disrespect for Vietnam vets is fact, not fiction - StarTribune.com

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I am a combat-disabled Army veteran who served in Vietnam in 1968-69. I was infantry, in the field, fighting the most misunderstood and unpopular war in American history. I've studied the history, and I've lived it.
And David Sirota is wrong about the history and policies of that war and about the treatment of returning military men and women ("The myth of the spat-upon war veteran," June 8).
Contrary to protesters' claims, then and now, the Vietnam War did not begin without good reasons. It was a direct result of the 1945 Yalta Conference, where Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill agreed to abandon the Vietnamese (who had helped defeat the Japanese in World War II) and give all of Indo-China back to the French. Despite U.S. economic support and military advisers, the French lost the ensuing Vietnamese independence struggle and withdrew from all of Indo-China. Vietnam ended up divided.
In the era when the North Vietnamese invaded the South, the world was facing Russian colonialism, the spread of communism, nuclear arms, the Cuban missile crisis and other threats to world peace. We fought to "contain" communist aggression and adopted the "domino theory," believing that if one country in a region fell, the rest would. Although the history of the past 50 years is complex, it's fair to observe that the spread of communism has been contained.
We need to remember that it was the South Vietnamese government that lost their war, not the much-maligned American soldier. American service members did not suffer defeat, even though most of us felt defeated. Policy and politics out of Washington had failed, not the military.
Vietnam vets were raised in a society that honored veterans. Despite Sirota's contentions, Vietnam vets were a bit crushed coming home. We were not honored, but were treated as the face of an unpopular war.
I am not aware of many Vietnam vets who were not subjected to some disrespect, either personal or from the culture that called us "baby killers." We were shamed and embarrassed. My car (with a military base sticker) was "egged." I bought a wig to hide my military haircut.
The spitting on veterans was just a small part of the overall feeling of lost honor, but it was real, contrary to Sirota's article, which appears to borrow heavily from a review of a book written by socialist and war protester Jerry Lembcke.
In his purported study, Lembcke's sampling was not random, it was statistically insignificant, and he stated that stories of spitting first surfaced in the 1980s. And he espouses that post-traumatic stress disorder was an invention of the government to garner support for the war.
But Lembcke is refuted by many other sources, including Jim Lindgren, a Northwestern University law professor who cited news accounts that documented many spitting incidents. One example: A 1967 Bucks County Courier Times article reporting that two sailors were spat on outside a high school football game by a gang of about 10 young men. One of the sailors was stabbed.
Others:
• In October 1967, Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter James Reston's front page article in the New York Times described his eyewitness account of protest behavior so vulgar that spitting was the least of the transgressions.
• Even Medal of Honor recipients were abused and "spat upon as 'monsters'," according to the head of the Congressional Medal of Honor Society, WWII medalist Thomas J. Kelly. Kelly recounted how about 200 anti-war protesters showed up one year to harass the Medal of Honor recipients at their annual dinner. WWII Medalist James Conners was unable to avoid a particularly obnoxious man yelling, "Killer, killer, killer." Conners decked him.
• Other spitting incidents were reported by Pulitzer Prize winners Max Frankel in the New York Times (November 1969) and Carl Bernstein in the Washington Post (May 1970).
Lembcke is an avowed socialist and has tried to use incomplete or dishonest research to lend credence to his government-as-pro-war conspiracy theories, to use the 9-million-plus Vietnam-era veterans as anti-war pawns.
Let's all stop listening to those who refuse to consider the facts. Our Vietnam experience ended more than 40 years past, and it deserves to be judged by history.
I do not wish to have my record of service dishonored again.

My brother in law was a US Army cannon cocker, both 105 and 155..

 

[Votto]

I was a sailor and got spit on and called baby killer inside LAX wearing Dress Blues by a group of hippies. I was alone and of course that started a spitting contest and I bared my fists. A Marine Officer came running running wanting to kick all their I said no sir I'm going home on leave.

Sure you were, buddy. Sure you were.

So when did this happen? Was there documentation. Because at that time, people didn't go through the airports in uniform. They returned to bases and then were dispatched in civilian clothing.

Because at that time, people didn't go through the airports in uniform.

Bullshit.

I enlisted in '69, and the only time I wore civvies was while I was home on leave.

Any travel, any time off, was spent in uniform.

(unless involved in athletic events)

What is sad is, the Left dishonored Vets coming home from the war by mistreating them, and now they are doing it today by calling Vets liars for saying they were mistreated. I reckon Vets can't die fast enough to cover the history of it for them.

Disrespect for Vietnam vets is fact, not fiction - StarTribune.com

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I am a combat-disabled Army veteran who served in Vietnam in 1968-69. I was infantry, in the field, fighting the most misunderstood and unpopular war in American history. I've studied the history, and I've lived it.
And David Sirota is wrong about the history and policies of that war and about the treatment of returning military men and women ("The myth of the spat-upon war veteran," June 8).
Contrary to protesters' claims, then and now, the Vietnam War did not begin without good reasons. It was a direct result of the 1945 Yalta Conference, where Roosevelt, Stalin and Churchill agreed to abandon the Vietnamese (who had helped defeat the Japanese in World War II) and give all of Indo-China back to the French. Despite U.S. economic support and military advisers, the French lost the ensuing Vietnamese independence struggle and withdrew from all of Indo-China. Vietnam ended up divided.
In the era when the North Vietnamese invaded the South, the world was facing Russian colonialism, the spread of communism, nuclear arms, the Cuban missile crisis and other threats to world peace. We fought to "contain" communist aggression and adopted the "domino theory," believing that if one country in a region fell, the rest would. Although the history of the past 50 years is complex, it's fair to observe that the spread of communism has been contained.
We need to remember that it was the South Vietnamese government that lost their war, not the much-maligned American soldier. American service members did not suffer defeat, even though most of us felt defeated. Policy and politics out of Washington had failed, not the military.
Vietnam vets were raised in a society that honored veterans. Despite Sirota's contentions, Vietnam vets were a bit crushed coming home. We were not honored, but were treated as the face of an unpopular war.
I am not aware of many Vietnam vets who were not subjected to some disrespect, either personal or from the culture that called us "baby killers." We were shamed and embarrassed. My car (with a military base sticker) was "egged." I bought a wig to hide my military haircut.
The spitting on veterans was just a small part of the overall feeling of lost honor, but it was real, contrary to Sirota's article, which appears to borrow heavily from a review of a book written by socialist and war protester Jerry Lembcke.
In his purported study, Lembcke's sampling was not random, it was statistically insignificant, and he stated that stories of spitting first surfaced in the 1980s. And he espouses that post-traumatic stress disorder was an invention of the government to garner support for the war.
But Lembcke is refuted by many other sources, including Jim Lindgren, a Northwestern University law professor who cited news accounts that documented many spitting incidents. One example: A 1967 Bucks County Courier Times article reporting that two sailors were spat on outside a high school football game by a gang of about 10 young men. One of the sailors was stabbed.
Others:
• In October 1967, Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter James Reston's front page article in the New York Times described his eyewitness account of protest behavior so vulgar that spitting was the least of the transgressions.
• Even Medal of Honor recipients were abused and "spat upon as 'monsters'," according to the head of the Congressional Medal of Honor Society, WWII medalist Thomas J. Kelly. Kelly recounted how about 200 anti-war protesters showed up one year to harass the Medal of Honor recipients at their annual dinner. WWII Medalist James Conners was unable to avoid a particularly obnoxious man yelling, "Killer, killer, killer." Conners decked him.
• Other spitting incidents were reported by Pulitzer Prize winners Max Frankel in the New York Times (November 1969) and Carl Bernstein in the Washington Post (May 1970).
Lembcke is an avowed socialist and has tried to use incomplete or dishonest research to lend credence to his government-as-pro-war conspiracy theories, to use the 9-million-plus Vietnam-era veterans as anti-war pawns.
Let's all stop listening to those who refuse to consider the facts. Our Vietnam experience ended more than 40 years past, and it deserves to be judged by history.
I do not wish to have my record of service dishonored again.

My brother in law was a US Army canon cocker, both 105 and 155..

Thank him for his service for me.

He did not deserve the treatment he got when he came home, nor did he deserve to make such a great sacrifice for a nothing criminal administration like LBJ who started the war.

But at least Vets were not hunted down like police officers are today. Police killings are up some 28%, the blood of Blue in on their hands and they want more blood.

Police officers killed surge 28% this year and some point to civil unrest and those looking to exploit it - ABC News (go.com)

 

[JoeB131]

1974, asshole. I went to Westpac twice and Commander 7th Fleet came to see me, once. The Admiral had to ride a helo and our Guided Missile Destroyer didn't have a helo deck.

So something spat on you after the Vietnam War was over.... um, yeah, okay.

Less credibility all the time.

 

[Votto]

1974, asshole. I went to Westpac twice and Commander 7th Fleet came to see me, once. The Admiral had to ride a helo and our Guided Missile Destroyer didn't have a helo deck.

So something spat on you after the Vietnam War was over.... um, yeah, okay.

Less credibility all the time.

You have less credibility than anyone here and certainly have never put your life on the line like the people you are dishonoring.

Do you even have a conscience?

The irony here is, you are the real baby killer, along with the DNC who wants me to pay for killing babies in the womb to add insult to injury.

So no, you probably don't have a conscience.

 

[JoeB131]

Thank him for his service for me.

He did not deserve the treatment he got when he came home, nor did he deserve to make such a great sacrifice for a nothing criminal administration like LBJ who started the war.

But at least Vets were not hunted down like police officers are today. Police killings are up some 28%, the blood of Blue in on their hands and they want more blood.

That's actually crap.

Here's the Copaganda site, Officer Down Memorial Page.

Cops shot by suspects in 2019 - 49
Cops shot by suspects in 2020 - 45, despite the riots and unrest. That was an 8% decline.

In fact, while the number of cops dying in the line of duty is up due to Covid 19 (AKA TRUMP PLAGUE), the number of officers who have died from all other reasons (including dubious categories like 9/11 related illness) declined from 150 in 2019 to 128 in 2020.

2020

453 law enforcement officers were killed in the line of duty in 2020.

www.odmp.org

So far in 2021, 19 officers have been shot. If it hold that way for the entire year, you might get to 57 by the end of the year. So you MIGHT get to a 28% increase if the numbers hold, but that's probably unlikely.

Again, given that we aren't going to pass sensible gun laws...