The Left - “The death penalty is wrong”

[protectionist]

I don't need to know the total number to know that we should not be executing people. It's proven that innocent people have been executed, and fairly recently. One is too many, especially when the alternative of keeping them locked up forever is so much cheaper and easier.

Of course it is not cheaper to keep them locked up for decades, rather than execute within 3 years. What an absurd notion.

Some think tank or university tosses some data concoction around, and liberals walk around hypnotized to it. Mass insanity.

 

[BULLDOG]

Of course it is not cheaper to keep them locked up for decades, rather than execute within 3 years. What an absurd notion.

Some think tank or university tosses some data concoction around, and liberals walk around hypnotized to it. Mass insanity.

The constitutional protections given generally don't allow execution in 3 years. Change the constitution and then get back with me. The price of food and a bed are extremely tiny compared to the price of an execution.

 

[protectionist]

The constitutional protections given generally don't allow execution in 3 years. Change the constitution and then get back with me. The price of food and a be are extremely tiny compared to the price of an execution.

Is that so ? 1. Where in the constitution does it say that executions must wait longer than 3 years ?

2. Plenty of people will perform an execution with a gun & do it for $2. That is more than feeding, clothing, & housing for 60 years ? + medical & dental care. Are you nuts ?
Perfect example of how brain warped liberals are. Sheeeeh!!

 

[BULLDOG]

Is that so ? 1. Where in the constitution does it say that executions must wait longer than 3 years ?

2. Plenty of people will perform an execution with a gun & do it for $2. That is more than feeding, clothing, & housing for 60 years ? + medical & dental care. Are you nuts ?
Perfect example of how brain warped liberals are. Sheeeeh!!

The constitution gives congress the authority to make laws and the court to interpret what those laws mean. Our protections are the result of that. Your other remark might sound funny among your friends, but we both know it is absurd in light of court procedure.

 

[protectionist]

The constitution gives congress the authority to make laws and the court to interpret what those laws mean. Our protections are the result of that. Your other remark might sound funny among your friends, but we both know it is absurd in light of court procedure.

1. IOW, nowhere in the constitution does it say that executions must wait longer than 3 years. So executions allowed within 3 years ? Of course they are. They could be allowed within 3 months, although I think that would be rushing it.

2. There is nothing absurd about the death penalty by gunfire, and some states in the US have this execution method right now (examples > South Carolina, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Utah)

 

[BULLDOG]

1. IOW, nowhere in the constitution does it say that executions must wait longer than 3 years. So executions allowed within 3 years ? Of course they are. They could be allowed within 3 months, although I think that would be rushing it.

2. There is nothing absurd about the death penalty by gunfire, and some states in the US have this execution method right now (examples > South Carolina, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and Utah)

They could occur the day of the ruling if all the protections provided by law are met. It takes time to meet those requirements. There is no time requirement for those protections to be accomplished.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, your opinion is, the people who have committed crimes of an extremely heinous and violent nature, should be granted the ability to live. The families of these crimes have to know that the criminal will be allowed to live, while their child is dead or scarred for life.

Got it ...

Not really.

My opinion is... stop the crimes from happening in the first place, so people aren't scarred for life.

Child Sexual Abuse Statistics – The National Center for Victims of Crime

victimsofcrime.org

"1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse;"

"A Bureau of Justice Statistics report shows 1.6 % (sixteen out of one thousand) of children between the ages of 12-17 were victims of rape/sexual assault (page 18)."

"Children who do not live with both parents as well as children living in homes marked by parental discord, divorce, or domestic violence, have a higher risk of being sexually abused."

How do you change this? Education, having people learn how to be parents properly, learn what is takes to have a long term relationship. Try and stop the cycle of single parent families, especially in black communities, but not just in black communities...

But we know it's not going to happen, the US doesn't care. People will just blame other people for the problems and then carry on with their destructive attitudes.

But yeah, you come at me with your poor analysis of what I said.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Not really.

My opinion is... stop the crimes from happening in the first place, so people aren't scarred for life.

Child Sexual Abuse Statistics – The National Center for Victims of Crime

victimsofcrime.org

"1 in 5 girls and 1 in 20 boys is a victim of child sexual abuse;"

"A Bureau of Justice Statistics report shows 1.6 % (sixteen out of one thousand) of children between the ages of 12-17 were victims of rape/sexual assault (page 18)."

"Children who do not live with both parents as well as children living in homes marked by parental discord, divorce, or domestic violence, have a higher risk of being sexually abused."

How do you change this? Education, having people learn how to be parents properly, learn what is takes to have a long term relationship. Try and stop the cycle of single parent families, especially in black communities, but not just in black communities...

But we know it's not going to happen, the US doesn't care. People will just blame other people for the problems and then carry on with their destructive attitudes.

But yeah, you come at me with your poor analysis of what I said.

It would be great if we could stop all crime, and education is a great idea. Unfortunately we still live in a society where people do unimaginable things. People who destroy the lives of other people and leave them devastated for a lifetime.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It would be great if we could stop all crime, and education is a great idea. Unfortunately we still live in a society where people do unimaginable things. People who destroy the lives of other people and leave them devastated for a lifetime.

Yeah, in reality people do commit crimes. So we have punishment and deterrent for them.

The problem is the US uses the death penalty as a deterrent and the US has more murder than any other first world country, and most of those don't use the death penalty.

So... clearly the US needs to do something else.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yeah, in reality people do commit crimes. So we have punishment and deterrent for them.

The problem is the US uses the death penalty as a deterrent and the US has more murder than any other first world country, and most of those don't use the death penalty.

So... clearly the US needs to do something else.

The problem is the US uses the death penalty as a deterrent and the US has more murder than any other first world country, and most of those don't use the death penalty.

You have to use a deterrent for it to deter.

So... clearly the US needs to do something else.

Taking fewer than 30 years to execute someone might be a start.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Yeah, in reality people do commit crimes. So we have punishment and deterrent for them.

The problem is the US uses the death penalty as a deterrent and the US has more murder than any other first world country, and most of those don't use the death penalty.

So... clearly the US needs to do something else.

It's not just a deterrent, it's a form of punishment for people who have committed crimes so bad that they don't deserve to live.

That's fine, you do you. You appear to believe there is no crime someone could commit that is worthy of the death penalty. So, these terrorists who killed thousands of Americans apparently deserve to live at taxpayers expense, where they will live with a room, 3 meals a day, access to their daily religious routines, special halal foods, and next time the US wants to make a prisoner swap, we'll just hand them back to the enemy.

And those aren't even the worst crimes one could commit.

But, let's let them live out their lives...a d give a big ole finger to Americans who had family die in those towers that day.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's not just a deterrent, it's a form of punishment for people who have committed crimes so bad that they don't deserve to live.

That's fine, you do you. You appear to believe there is no crime someone could commit that is worthy of the death penalty. So, these terrorists who killed thousands of Americans apparently deserve to live at taxpayers expense, where they will live with a room, 3 meals a day, access to their daily religious routines, special halal foods, and next time the US wants to make a prisoner swap, we'll just hand them back to the enemy.

And those aren't even the worst crimes one could commit.

But, let's let them live out their lives...a d give a big ole finger to Americans who had family die in those towers that day.

Well, looks like there's no conversation with you.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Well, looks like there's no conversation with you.

There is, but I think we've exhausted it. You think there is no crime worthy of the death penalty, I think some people should be brought to justice in a way that befits the crime they commit.

 

[frigidweirdo]

There is, but I think we've exhausted it. You think there is no crime worthy of the death penalty, I think some people should be brought to justice in a way that befits the crime they commit.

Well, you come at this from an emotive point of view. It's not about facts, statistics, issues, it's about how you feel and that's all.

 

[Scoutster]

It's not just a deterrent, it's a form of punishment for people who have committed crimes so bad that they don't deserve to live.

That's fine, you do you. You appear to believe there is no crime someone could commit that is worthy of the death penalty. So, these terrorists who killed thousands of Americans apparently deserve to live at taxpayers expense, where they will live with a room, 3 meals a day, access to their daily religious routines, special halal foods, and next time the US wants to make a prisoner swap, we'll just hand them back to the enemy.

And those aren't even the worst crimes one could commit.

But, let's let them live out their lives...a d give a big ole finger to Americans who had family die in those towers that day.

There are some people in this world that deserve to be put down, they will serve the world better as fertilizer than they ever did in life. That is the cold hard reality, you and I agree.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Well, you come at this from an emotive point of view. It's not about facts, statistics, issues, it's about how you feel and that's all.

No lol, I have no emotions whatsoever on this. But I think someone who rapes a small child, or a terrorist who kills 3000 Americans, should not be allowed to continue living at taxpayers expense.

If anything, it is you who is coming at this from emotions, apparently feeling death is too inhumane a punishment for someone who commits the worst of crimes.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No lol, I have no emotions whatsoever on this. But I think someone who rapes a small child, or a terrorist who kills 3000 Americans, should not be allowed to continue living at taxpayers expense.

If anything, it is you who is coming at this from emotions, apparently feeling death is too inhumane a punishment for someone who commits the worst of crimes.

You have no emotion, then you go and make an emotional argument. Perhaps you don't understand the difference between logic and emotion.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You have no emotion, then you go and make an emotional argument. Perhaps you don't understand the difference between logic and emotion.

No...I just think the punishment fits the crime in some instances.

However, even if it was an emotional argument, that wouldn't be a bad thing, as seeing the damage some of these people could do would invoke an emotional response.

 

[frigidweirdo]

No...I just think the punishment fits the crime in some instances.

However, even if it was an emotional argument, that wouldn't be a bad thing, as seeing the damage some of these people could do would invoke an emotional response.

"I just think".... and you think it's not emotive?

Sigh.

I'm done.

 

[BULLDOG]

It's not just a deterrent, it's a form of punishment for people who have committed crimes so bad that they don't deserve to live.

That's fine, you do you. You appear to believe there is no crime someone could commit that is worthy of the death penalty. So, these terrorists who killed thousands of Americans apparently deserve to live at taxpayers expense, where they will live with a room, 3 meals a day, access to their daily religious routines, special halal foods, and next time the US wants to make a prisoner swap, we'll just hand them back to the enemy.

And those aren't even the worst crimes one could commit.

But, let's let them live out their lives...a d give a big ole finger to Americans who had family die in those towers that day.

Of course, there are crimes that deserve death. A slow painful death. It's not about what they deserve. It's about us, and if we are OK with occasionally killing an innocent person.