Zone1 The issue of abortion for the Christian regarding politics

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You are so fixated on what the punishment should or shouldn't be. . . and you are using that fixation to ignore, dismiss the Constitutional expectation of equal PROTECTIONS.

Actually I’m fixated on reducing the number of abortions. Which I do not believe can be accomplished by force.

I think you are misapplying equal protection. There are different degrees of punishment for homicides. Not all homicides have the same punishment.

 

[Chuz Life]

Actually I’m fixated on reducing the number of abortions. Which I do not believe can be accomplished by force.

I think you are misapplying equal protection. There are different degrees of punishment for homicides. Not all homicides have the same punishment.

You are the first person I have ever met who can't distinguish or differentiate between protections (which involves laws, bans, education, and prevention) and punishment, which is a legal consequence for violating any of those "protections."

They are two completely different things.

 

[ding]

You are the first person I have ever met who can't distinguish or differentiate between protections (which involves laws, bans, education, and prevention) and punishment, which is a legal consequence for violating any of those "protections."

They are two completely different things.

There are different degrees of punishment for homicides.

 

[Chuz Life]

There are different degrees of punishment for homicides.

I never said otherwise.

But where are the laws that establish that an abortion is a homicide?

Where is there any effort being made towards the "equal protection" of children in the womb?

 

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I never said otherwise.

But where are the laws that establish that an abortion is a homicide?

Where is there any effort being made towards the "equal protection" of children in the womb?

Abortion seems to be its own category.

 

[Chuz Life]

Abortion seems to be its own category.

Maybe for the weak minded and for those who don't want to deal with an inconvenient truth.

 

[ding]

Maybe for the weak minded and for those who don't want to deal with an inconvenient truth.

No. For the legal system. It always has been.

 

[Chuz Life]

No. For the legal system. It always has been.

Appeal to status quo, tradition, popularity. .

 

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Appeal to status quo, tradition, popularity. .

So you don’t want to call it abortion anymore? You want it to be called murder?

 

[Chuz Life]

So you don’t want to call it abortion anymore? You just want it to be called murder?

They are homicides.

Not all homicides are murder.

Some homicides are justified. Aren't they? Self defense, for example?

 

[ding]

They are homicides.

Not all homicides are murder.

Some homicides are justified. Aren't they? Self defense, for example?

I think if you check the definitions you will find abortion matches the definition of murder more than it does homicides. So by your own logic, are you willing to say abortion isn’t its own category but is murder?

Because I believe, like society has always believed, that abortion is its own special category and is separate from homicide.

 

[Chuz Life]

I think if you check the definitions you will find abortion matches the definition of murder more than it does homicides. So by your own logic, are you willing to say abortion isn’t its own category but is murder?

Because I believe, like society has always believed, that abortion is its own special category and is separate from homicide.

Do I have to post the definitions for homicide, murder and abortions, myself?

 

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Do I have to post the definitions for homicide, murder and abortions, myself?

Sure. That would be good. I understand the difference.

 

[ding]

Do I have to post the definitions for homicide, murder and abortions, myself?

So why are you arbitrarily limiting the intentional and premeditated ending of a human life to homicide rather than murder?

 

[Woodznutz]

Since a lot of religions are kind of nutty, the best way to react is to find the Truth of the matter.

The truth of the matter involves who is guarding the 'gate'.

 

[Chuz Life]

So why are you arbitrarily limiting the intentional and premeditated ending of a human life to homicide rather than murder?

It's not that complicated, just as it is when any other human being kills another human being.

Sometimes it's a murder (different degrees for that), sometimes it's manslaughter, sometimes they are justified as self-defense. etc.

Regardless, all of them are homicides.

Note that fetal HOMICIDE laws are called "homicide laws." They are not fetal MURDER laws, Even the UVVA, has language to make clear the differences.

"(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections 1111 (MURDER), 1112 (MANSLAUGHTER), and 1113 (attemped MURDER or MANSLAUGHTER) of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.

18 U.S. Code § 1841 - Protection of unborn children

www.law.cornell.edu

The definitions are in those links.

 

[ding]

It's not that complicated, just as it is when any other human being kills another human being.

Sometimes it's a murder (different degrees for that), sometimes it's manslaughter, sometimes they are justified as self-defense. etc.

Regardless, all of them are homicides.

Note that fetal HOMICIDE laws are called "homicide laws." They are not fetal MURDER laws, Even the UVVA, has language to make clear the differences.

"(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections 1111 (MURDER), 1112 (MANSLAUGHTER), and 1113 (attemped MURDER or MANSLAUGHTER) of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being.

18 U.S. Code § 1841 - Protection of unborn children

www.law.cornell.edu

The definitions are in those links.

Which one is premeditated? Murder or homicide?

Is abortion premeditated? Or is it an accident that happens?

 

[ding]

"(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections 1111 (MURDER),

So the mother who who aborts her child has committed murder?

 

[NotYankee]

Despite what citygator thinks, you cannot be a Christian and support abortion. He compares his wife's miscarriages to abortion and said he is right to say the miscarriages are not children. However, that is GOD's choice, not theirs. Saying miscarriage is just like abortion is like saying natural death is just like murder.

It is possible for anyone in the Democrat party to be Christian? I guess so, but I would need to know if they support abortion.

Isaiah 57:4 & :5 "are you not wicked children, a fase seed?
Who seek your comfort in idols under every green tree, sacrificing children in the torrents, under the high rocks?"
In USA, most churches support mass slaughter of millions of children by fire, and even the children of their blood relatives as when they cheerfully fire bombed German cities.
USA folks have loved killing children for hundreds of years, Native American children, Children of Africa by starvation, disease, war, Vietnamese children by poison, napalm, bombs, bullets., Philippino children by starvation bullets, bayonets etc. Japanese children via fire bombs, atom bombs, starvation etc.; And the list goes on and on, including Iraq, Libya, Syria, Palestine, Cambodia, etc. etc.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Its an individuals body.

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It was that individual's "choice" to avoid getting in the situation in the first place.

All your cult proves is that they're too stupid to learn how to not get pregnant.





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