Zone1 The issue of abortion for the Christian regarding politics

[Chuz Life]

If Conservaties value the sanctity of human life then value children who are born

Don’t punish mothers who keep their children

Embrace Welfare

What about those of us who don't oppose abortion because of some "valuation" or sanctity of "human life?"

We are not monolithic, just so you know.

The Constitution says "all persons are entitled to the equal protection of our laws." It doesn't say a ******* thing about anyone being more or less valued than another.

 

[Votto]

I’m quite familiar with Dred Scott and I’m quite aware that at conception a new genetically distinct human being has come into existence. One that has never existed before and will never exist again. Just as I am quite aware that abortion ends a human life.

I am also aware that in this country abortion has never been punished like murder.

Great. Glad to see you have a grasp of the corrupt never-ending circus known as human government.

Now what does God have to say about such things?

Really, that is the only thing I give a damn about.

How about you?

 

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Do you agree that an abortion is a homicide of a child?

Do you believe they didn’t know abortion ended a human life?

 

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Slavery was never punished either. Until it became punishable.

Which law would that have been?

 

[TNHarley]

Semantics.

You already acknowledge the biological facts.

I don't need you to agree on the semantics.

Its not semantics. Its emotion.

 

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Great. Glad to see you have a grasp of the corrupt never-ending circus known as human government.

Now what does God have to say about such things?

Really, that is the only thing I give a damn about.

How about you?

God gave us free will. It’s not virtuous if we do not choose to be virtuous.

 

[TNHarley]

That's like saying it is not an adult human being because it is a child

They are just in a different stage of development is all.

I just ate scrambled chicken for breakfast.

 

[Votto]

I just ate scrambled chicken for breakfast.

 

[Chuz Life]

Do you believe they didn’t know abortion ended a human life?

Even If they did know on some level, they didn't regard the lives of children in the womb as being worthy of equal rights than they did slaves or even women at the time. Did they?

 

[Chuz Life]

Its not semantics. Its emotion.

Would it be wiser to base laws on biological fact or emotions surrounding those biological facts?

 

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Even If they did know on some level, they didn't regard the lives of children in the womb as being worthy of equal rights than they did slaves or even women at the time. Did they?

I see it more as a compassion issue for women. While there are competing rights, it’s questionable if they are equal rights.

 

[Chuz Life]

I see it more as a compassion issue for women. While there are competing rights, it’s questionable if they are equal rights.

I hope one day you re-examine that comment through the lens of what the Constitution establishes. "Equal protections" for all.

That wording does not leave room for making compromises or discriminations based on compassions or levels of development.

 

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I hope one day you re-examine that comment through the lens of what the Constitution establishes. "Equal protections" for all.

That wording does not leave room for making compromises or discriminations based on compassions or levels of development.

And yet abortion has never been punished as murder or homicide.

 

[Chuz Life]

And yet abortion has never been punished as murder or homicide.

And slavery was legal, and women had far fewer rights. . Until we learned how ******* wrong the founders were on THOSE issues.

Correct?

 

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And slavery was legal and woman had far less rights. . Until we learned how ******* wrong the founders were on THOSE issues.

Correct?

Correct. So you’d like abortion to be punished like murder and I want it to be punished as a misdemeanor.

 

[Chuz Life]

Correct. So you’d like abortion to be punished like murder and I want it to be punished as a misdemeanor.

I want what the Constitution says. Equal protections. I expect consistency in our laws. And I also accept that punishments already vary all over the place between jurisdictions.

I still expect consistency.

 

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I want what the Constitution says. Equal protections. I expect consistency in our laws. And I also accept that punishments already vary all over the place between jurisdictions.

I still expect consistency.

And yet each state has a different way per the constitution.

 

[Chuz Life]

And yet each state has a different way per the constitution.

As long as it lies within the Constitution

 

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As long as it lies within the Constitution

The constitution doesn’t say the punishment for abortion has to be the same as the punishment for murder. So I’m not buying your as long as it lies within the constitution argument.

 

[Chuz Life]

The constitution doesn’t say the punishment for abortion has to be the same as the punishment for murder. So I’m not buying your as long as it lies within the constitution argument.

You are so fixated on what the punishment should or shouldn't be. . . and you are using that fixation to ignore, dismiss the Constitutional expectation of equal PROTECTIONS.