The Immigrant Experience

[Correll]

u think they hang here...where english is spoken? And why do you think they would even be here? They dont give a damn for Our Country. And do you mean legal or illegal? The illegal doesnt have to answer, just get the **** out.
You are so, so, out of touch.

lol,,its their land.They have a right to be there,its the other party that are the invaders.

It is not their land.

You are a revanchist.

How many wars do you want to start?

 

[gt1085]

u think they hang here...where english is spoken? And why do you think they would even be here? They dont give a damn for Our Country. And do you mean legal or illegal? The illegal doesnt have to answer, just get the **** out.
You are so, so, out of touch.

lol,,its their land.They have a right to be there,its the other party that are the invaders.

It is not their land.

You are a revanchist.

How many wars do you want to start?

Europe?Well who`s rightful land is it?

 

[georgephillip]

Who here has lived it? For the purposes of discussion, let's stipulate "immigration" as moving to a country other than the one of your birth for at least a year. It might be interesting to see who has personal experience to inform some of their attitudes and/or assumptions here.

I haven't personally lived the life of an immigrant; however, for the last 21 years I've live in one of the largest immigrant communities in California.

My personal experience has been most of my neighbors contribute more productively to the US economy than I have, and recently I found some unexpected support for my belief:

"Great libertarian thinkers such as Milton Friedman and Ludwig von Mises believed that the free movement of people (labor) across borders is desirable in the same way that the free trade of goods and capital is desirable.

"Both labor and capital should not be hindered from relocating to areas in which they can be most productively used. As Mises wrote in his influential book Liberalism, 'There cannot be the slightest doubt that migration barriers diminish the productivity of human labor.'

"To illustrate this point, consider the differences in productivity between the United States and Mexico.

"The United States is much more productive than Mexico and, consequently, has five times more income per person.

"It's not just that the United States has better educated or more skilled workers, although it does. Rather, the capital, institutions, and infrastructure makes the same workers much more productive simply by being in a different place.
How Free Immigration Could Double the Economy | Corey Iacono

And yet our Lower and Middle classes, who are mostly in competition with immigrants, have had flat wage growth for decades during this time of high immigration.


Strange.

My knee-jerk explanation for why wage growth has remained flat lately has to do with how the profits from productivity gains have gone largely to one percent of "workers."

Despite large increases over the last couple of decades in both size of the economy and productivity, wages for the lower and middle class have remained flat.

The point of economic policy is not to grow the economy or to increase productivity.


Growing the economy or increasing productivity are MEANS TO AN END.

The END is the Serving the Interests of the American Citizens.

IF this growth and increases have NOT resulted in an improved standard of living for the majority of the American Citizens, then the policy is a failure and needs to be changed.

Would you not agree?

While there has been real growth in GDP per capita it's a little like Bill Gates walking into a room full of factory workers and suddenly the average income in the room explodes. Factory workers have not shared in the productivity gains of the last 40 years and that makes me ask "what is the purpose of an economy?"

A hundred years ago, a British engineer named CH Douglas thought there were three possibilities?

"1. The first of these is that it is a disguised Government, of which the primary, though admittedly not the only, object is to impose upon the world a system of thought and action.

"2. The second alternative has a certain similarity to the first, but is simpler. It assumes that the primary objective of the industrial system is the provision of employment.

"3. And the third, which is essentially simpler still, in fact, so simple that it appears entirely unintelligible to the majority, is that the object of the industrial system is merely to provide goods and services."

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[Unkotare]

Who here has lived it? For the purposes of discussion, let's stipulate "immigration" as moving to a country other than the one of your birth for at least a year. It might be interesting to see who has personal experience to inform some of their attitudes and/or assumptions here.

So far........nobody.....



Figures...

 

[Unkotare]

Who here has lived it? For the purposes of discussion, let's stipulate "immigration" as moving to a country other than the one of your birth for at least a year. It might be interesting to see who has personal experience to inform some of their attitudes and/or assumptions here.

.

 

[GLASNOST]

Who here has lived it? For the purposes of discussion, let's stipulate "immigration" as moving to a country other than the one of your birth for at least a year. It might be interesting to see who has personal experience to inform some of their attitudes and/or assumptions here.

Let's start with 'who's lived it' and we'll see if you really want me to inform you of my attitude.
I have been to almost 100 countries in the world and I have lived in Norway, Germany, France, Rhodesia, Vietnam, Australia, and the US, in addition to my own country, of course.

 

[Unkotare]

.... I have lived in Norway, Germany, France, Rhodesia, Vietnam, Australia, and the US,.........

Each for at least a year?

 

[GLASNOST]

.... I have lived in Norway, Germany, France, Rhodesia, Vietnam, Australia, and the US,.........

Each for at least a year?

Each at least a year. There are a few other counties where I've lived in less than a year too.

 

[Unkotare]

So, with that in mind, what is your POV toward immigrants and immigration?

 

[Abishai100]

Debit System

I'm an immigrant from India, but I'm a U.S. citizen now. While I do think that the media needs to provide more global coverage of immigration-related crimes connected to multi-culturalism crimes in America (e.g., Chinatown gangs), I also think that from personal experience, I want to vouch for America's overall impressive track record for controlling the domestic population.

America's biggest problem continues to be international relations, and this is a time when profitable bridges with Mexicao (an immigration-relevant bordering nation) should be sought.



Social Problems in Chinatown (Wikipedia)

Chinatown Gang Crime Story

 

[GLASNOST]

So, with that in mind, what is your POV toward immigrants and immigration?

With regards what sort of immigrants? Arabs, Mexicans, Koreans, Russians, Polacks, Chinese, Africans, Gypsies, Eskimos?

 

[Unkotare]

So, with that in mind, what is your POV toward immigrants and immigration?

With regards what sort of immigrants? Arabs, Mexicans, Koreans, Russians, Polacks, Chinese, Africans, Gypsies, Eskimos?

In general.

 

[GLASNOST]

In general.

Impossible.

 

[Unkotare]

In general.

Impossible.

Your non-contribution is appreciated.

 

[GLASNOST]

Your non-contribution is appreciated.

Your ungrateful stupidity has been noted.

 

[GLASNOST]

I know hundreds of immigrants here less than three years who know English, History, and Political Science better than windshit ever will.

And you, regularly, make postings that are inherently impossible to prove...and its horse shit...

Now I understand what you mean. He also asks questions that are impossible to answer and gets his panties in a bunch if you tell him.

 

[Unkotare]

Your non-contribution is appreciated.

Your ungrateful stupidity has been noted.

???

What exactly were you expecting gratefulness for? Not answering a pretty simple, direct question?

Maybe you're just having a bad day.

 

[Unkotare]

..... He also asks questions that are impossible to answer ........

What did you find "impossible to answer"?

 

[Unkotare]

..and its horse shit...

If you could be more specific, maybe I can help you understand.

 

[Unkotare]

u think they hang here...where english is spoken? And why do you think they would even be here? They dont give a damn for Our Country. And do you mean legal or illegal? The illegal doesnt have to answer, just get the **** out.
You are so, so, out of touch.

lol,,its their land.They have a right to be there,its the other party that are the invaders.

???

What is whose land? And what "invaders" are you referring to?