The Government UFO Thread

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If people interested wish, they can place all of their reports related to UFOs and the government file release here. I plan to use it to relate how some of my personal experiences mirror some of the released photos and observations.

To begin, here is a link to the archive where all the released files are stored, unfortunately, like all government websites, it is not very easy to use.


Then to begin, reading through several articles covering the topic by CBS, MSN, and a few others, who had already combed some of the files and included several photos and stories, there were TWO which particularly caught my eye.

STORY #1:

In December of 1972, while on the Moon during Apollo 17, astronauts took this photo. Upon closer study back on Earth, it was noted that the image captured a triangle of three small lights near the horizon. Actually, astronauts have released several UFOs spotted while walking on the Moon, and in every case, while the object was not always noticed at the time by the astronaut, when later detected, in every case I've seen, the UFO was always near the horizon, almost like it was hovering low so to remain inconspicuous. Why am I interested in Photo #1? I have slightly enhanced it a bit to further bring out the contrast and sharpness. Here it is:

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Why does this photo strike me? Because, best as I can recall now, my first UFO sighting as I have recounted here several times, was in the late 60s, through a little toy telescope, I want to say maybe around 1968 maybe, and this is pretty much what I saw too, effectively seen just four years (approx.) before this lunar shot, it was three dots of light high up, traveling along in a triangle against the starry backdrop, none of the usual markings of flashing red and green lights to identify an aircraft by orientation, just three white dots, and I could not tell if they were self-luminous or were merely reflecting sunlight off their surface (it was after dark in the summer), but miles up as these were, they were still probably in the sunlight).

Following them for several minutes, one jumped ahead then made a 90° turn, then the other two caught up, made the same turn and they resumed their triangle formation. In each case, the jump in speed and the turn were both effectively instantaneous, impossible by any science we know. How curious that within a few years of my experience that Apollo astronauts should see so similar an observation. No vehicle by any known science can change speed and direction instantly, so by this one experience alone I know that whatever the case is with the thousands of other sightings, that at least some UFO sightings are real and cannot be explained as seeing Venus, a trick of the light, or a weather balloon.

STORY #2:

The other most credible UFO observation I had which is hard to explain as a weather balloon or some event dirigible, that I usually assign as having seen it AFTER the first experience but now I cannot be sure, I was very young, it was daylight, probably summer, it was nice out, I was playing in the street and looking up between the houses, behind my house was an apple tree and another home. Beyond that was a large field, part of a monastery, Generally vacant and unused this field, it went down into a valley with woods beyond. I want to say it was probably mid to later 60s, maybe 1965-1968, so might have been before or after the first story, I cannot be sure, I saw a partiality obscured long silvery gray "balloon," like a big cigar, like a big balloon that got away, but it had no markings, no writing, no attachments, just a big, long, gray sort of cigar, quietly, silently tumbling in the air, probably 100-200 feet off the ground?

It was only partly visible, partly obscured by the apple tree, it made one revolution tumble, end over end about once every 4-5 seconds I would guess, and as I began to lose sight of it, I began running up the street to get a better view. There was no one else around. As I ran up the street to keep a view of it between the next houses and the next, it seemed to be moving farther away from me and I was losing sight of it, and without running into their yard and climbing a hill at the back of their property to get higher, I could no longer follow it and gave up trying to see it.

Thing is: it could not have been from some sort of event--- there was a shopping mall near by where the balloon might have come from, maybe from some event they were having, but I do not recall anything going on that day, worse, the balloon would have had advertising, writing or something pictured on it. This thing was smooth, long, maybe 100-200 feet long, featureless and gray. Stranger still, I saw no means to cause it to tumble, it maintained speed slowly pinwheeling over end to end, noiseless, and was moving toward the West, so despite it being a calm day, had there been any breeze, it would have been moving INTO the wind. Further, how could it have developed this slow tumbling motion end over end immediate having left the ground? Its motion did not follow anything you might expect of a large dirigible no matter how you explained it getting loose, the wind, etc.

PICTURE TWO: What interested me here was an account released in the files of eyewitnesses seeing a long orb, similar in size and shape, described as being bronzish whereas what I saw looked more metallic silver gray. Here is their account and an artist's sketch.

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I did not see any light, and my object did not appear and disappear, but the size and shape similarity is curious at best. These were my two most credible UFO experiences, both events defy all efforts to rationalize or dismiss them as commonplace objects. That around the same time, others were seeing very similar objects is no small coincidence. I have seen other objects and been told stories, the one story came from a very credible source, another came from a man who knew he was dying, but the other two objects I witnessed, though strange (I even got pictures of one of them), though unidentified, could be dismissed as probably some sort of weather packages, so I only mention them with an asterisk.

And while the gray tumbling cigar was very strange, it remains unexplained, but there just is no other possible explanation for the three dots I saw jotting about the sky at night as anything other than genuine flying saucers. Therefore, UFOs MUST be real, at least SOME of them.
 
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And while the gray tumbling cigar was very strange, it remains unexplained, but there just is no other possible explanation for the three dots I saw jotting about the sky at night as anything other than genuine flying saucers. Therefore, UFOs MUST be real, at least SOME of them.
UFOs are very real, I've seen two in my life. Neither were spaceships with little green men, just unexplained objects in the sky. (Happy to give details if anyone cares.) The military has plenty of what at one time were UFOs but most have now been explained and proved to be pretty mundane.

IMHO, we may well have aliens walking among us but they are so tiny and technically advanced that we can't perceive them. (Happy to expand on that too if anyone cares.) The chances that they are beings like us is infinitesimally small.
 
UFO people are an intriguing bunch. Not as intriguing as the crypto zoological types but intriguing.

What does that mean "UFO people?" Do you think I'm lying? Want to go back years to see my account of the same stories multiple times? What would you do if you saw something other-worldly that defied all explanation?

Then YOU TOO would be a 'UFO person'.
 
(Happy to give details if anyone cares.)
Do please.

IMHO, we may well have aliens walking among us
That is actually a very possible likelihood.

(Happy to expand on that too if anyone cares.)
As the Ferengi say, I'm all ears.

All I know is that I'm a trained/skilled observer with a lifetime of experience out studying the sky both day and night (weather, astronomical phenomena), and am science-oriented, so no fool. I know what I see, what is real, and what is possible.

I've seen things with my own eyes that I know isn't just advanced, far beyond our science (then and now), but literally impossible, violating the known physical laws of the universe by which all our understanding of the universe is based.

But yet I saw them happen, I know no one in the CIA or NSA has such secret technology (it is impossible!), yet /someone/ is doing it (I SAW it), so realize there is someone/something out there as far advanced over us as we are above baboons.

It is very likely we are being studied as a curiosity, much the same way Jane Goodall studied apes and gorillas, or one might study an interesting specimen of insect or fungus.

Maybe we are just being studied, maybe we are being protected, or maybe we are being invaded.
 
Do please.
I saw two very different UFOs on two successive nights in Brooklyn. I used to go up on my roof with a friend for some solitude, not much of that in Brooklyn.

On the first night it was just a few minutes after sunset. From out of the west appeared something that looked like a deflated balloon or a giant sponge. Though I was in darkness the sun illuminated the object as it rolled slowly on it's long axis that was parallel to it's travel. It had no lights of it's own. We watched it for several minutes as it slowly receded into the distance. It must have been large, about the apparent size of the full moon, since it was high enough to be illuminated by the sun and disappeared into the distance, not over a neighbors roof. Planes were common and this was nothing like that.

The following night was overcast with a low cloud cover and also about twilight. Through the cloud layer came a large flaming object falling to the ground. I broke into several pieces and disappeared behind a neighbor's tree. I checked the newspapers but there was no mention of any such object. Hard to believed no one in a city of several million noticed it.

That is actually a very possible likelihood.

As the Ferengi say, I'm all ears.
Any society able to travel between stars would be far advanced from ours. Since, without new physics, speed is dependent on mass, I assume our aliens would be very, very small. Since we are beginning to be proficient at nano-engineering scales, I'd guess aliens would be at least as good and maybe even at atomic or subatomic scales. At that size they could easily be all around us (or even in us) and we'd never know.

All I know is that I'm a trained/skilled observer with a lifetime of experience out studying the sky both day and night (weather, astronomical phenomena), and am science-oriented, so no fool. I know what I see, what is real, and what is possible.

I've seen things with my own eyes that I know isn't just advanced, far beyond our science (then and now), but literally impossible, violating the known physical laws of the universe by which all our understanding of the universe is based.

But yet I saw them happen, I know no one in the CIA or NSA has such secret technology (it is impossible!), yet /someone/ is doing it (I SAW it), so realize there is someone/something out there as far advanced over us as we are above baboons.

It is very likely we are being studied as a curiosity, much the same way Jane Goodall studied apes and gorillas, or one might study an interesting specimen of insect or fungus.

Maybe we are just being studied, maybe we are being protected, or maybe we are being invaded.
There have been numerous UFO reports by pilots, both civilian and military, and the vast majority turn out to be optical illusions, generally Motion Parallax
 
On the first night it was just a few minutes after sunset. From out of the west appeared something that looked like a deflated balloon or a giant sponge. Though I was in darkness the sun illuminated the object as it rolled slowly on it's long axis that was parallel to it's travel. It had no lights of it's own. We watched it for several minutes as it slowly receded into the distance. It must have been large, about the apparent size of the full moon, since it was high enough to be illuminated by the sun and disappeared into the distance, not over a neighbors roof. Planes were common and this was nothing like that.
Interesting. I cannot explain what that was. Doesn't sound like anything I've heard of, but also doesn't sound like any weather balloon or such thing I can imagine.

The following night was overcast with a low cloud cover and also about twilight. Through the cloud layer came a large flaming object falling to the ground. I broke into several pieces and disappeared behind a neighbor's tree. I checked the newspapers but there was no mention of any such object. Hard to believed no one in a city of several million noticed it.
Not sure how far away this neighbor's tree was, but offhand, it sounds maybe like a bolide. A few years back I was out with a telescope and had a small stand under the edge of my patio roof holding eyepieces and I turned away from the telescope for a few seconds to swap eyepiece and in the same second, I saw a bright flash light up the yard casting shadows on the ground, spun around and that fast, it was gone again. It was a bolide. I rather bright, large, rogue meteor.

Any society able to travel between stars would be far advanced from ours. Since, without new physics, speed is dependent on mass, I assume our aliens would be very, very small. Since we are beginning to be proficient at nano-engineering scales, I'd guess aliens would be at least as good and maybe even at atomic or subatomic scales. At that size they could easily be all around us (or even in us) and we'd never know.
An interesting conjecture. My feeling is that to travel the stars, they must be able to side-step things like mass and inertia via some sort of dimensional warp.

There have been numerous UFO reports by pilots, both civilian and military, and the vast majority turn out to be optical illusions, generally Motion Parallax
The vast majority? I find most cops, pilots, astronauts, etc., to be pretty credible witnesses, and know when something is just unidentified and when something really is odd, but I agree, many of the videos and photos CAN be explained as something in the window of the rocket, or maybe a few specs of space debris floating about reflecting sunlight being blow about by thruster jets or something.
 
Back in 2004, I was settiung up a telescope at dusk and the sky was a bright blue though the sun had set. I spotted a bright point of light high in the southern sky that I knew could not be Venus. Many years earlier, I saw a similar object in a similar region of the sky under similar circumstances. That evening, I had a 60mm TASCO refractor out and looked at it.

More than anything else, it appeared like a translucent globe with two headlights on it toward the lower half. It was hard to tell if these were shining under their own light or were some sort of reflections of the sun.

On top was a short antenna with a pair of red lights on it. I was maybe 15 and my father came out and looked at it. While we were watching it, it blew up and became a bunch of burning cinders falling to the ground.

But in 2004, I had a bigger and better telescope, and this time when I saw what became my last UFO sighting, I ran and grabbed a digital camera and snapped a bunch of pictures afocally by just holding the camera up to a given eyepiece which works well for such things.

The object seen this time changed shape like it might if it were pyramid shaped with a flat bottom and maybe 3-4 sides which all came to a point. I call it a UFO but it could have been a weather package. I think I once saw a documentary on something, and they lofted something which might have looked similar.

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What does that mean "UFO people?" Do you think I'm lying? Want to go back years to see my account of the same stories multiple times? What would you do if you saw something other-worldly that defied all explanation?

Then YOU TOO would be a 'UFO person'.
UFO people are people that are into UFO's. The studying of them. The theoriziation of technologies, alien species, US Gov invovement, incidents etc.
No, I don't think you're lying. You saw what you saw and up until this point you have found no logical explanation for an alternative to what you think it is.
What would I do? Check all my fingers and toes, then say, "Meh, it happened."

I'll give you an example. When I lived in Japan my apartment was haunted. Never thought about ghosts one time in my life. When theose MFers are pulling you in bed, laughin in your ear at 3:30 AM, bangin on the walls, turining on faucets and shits coming out of lamps and floating across the ceiling...you tend to think abut ghosts more than not.
BUT...
I moved out and I'm not a ghost person. I am just a guy who once had this thing happen for this priod of time.

I don't think i would be a UFO person either. Now, if I had lunch with the little green MFers, that would be something to talk about. :D
 
No, I don't think you're lying. You saw what you saw and up until this point you have found no logical explanation for an alternative to what you think it is.

Well, scientifically, there can be no logical explanation for that triangle of lights I saw. Something was up there, and nothing known to science jumps around changing direction like a flea.

But OK, I will relate two other events, stories I was told. Third party experiences that I only take to heart because the sources were unimpeachable. I've probably related these stories here before as well, but here goes.

STORY #1: An aunt of mine told me this. An aunt? Yes, she lived on a farm in Delmarva and was the salt of the Earth. Had she been kidding or not serious, she would have said so, but it just was not in her nature to make stuff up or kid around like this. They owned a 70 acre sharecropping farm with a big patch of woods way out in the back. One night, she told me she saw a saucer of sorts, a disc or something glowing orange and pulsing, giving off an irregular noise hovering just above the tree tops out back (maybe 1/4 miles from the farmhouse) like it was having trouble or something; wavering up and down, pulsing, then suddenly it grew very bright and shot straight up in the air and shot out of sight. And of course, I asked her if she was serious, and she was.

STORY #2: A best friend of mine whom we had known and been close friends for like 35 years, well, in 2010, he was dying. He had some condition working on him that had killed his father and he was dying. He knew he was dying. It was the last time I saw him alive. He had not told me that it was going on or serious. It was only about a week or two after telling me this story that he passed away. What surprised me was that in all the years I had known him, he had kept this to himself.

He was over helping me with something and suddenly he blurted out that when he was young, that UFOs or aliens or something had kidnapped him from his home. I think he meant more than once, maybe several times. He did not elaborate farther how any of this happened and I was kinda shocked and didn't ask him any questions, I just stared at him and cogitated the implications of what he was telling me. I guess I figured it was something I would have to think on and maybe get back to him some day asking more details. He was not at all a space guy or into fiction or wierd stuff. He was a real smart guy who all his life had an uncanny knack for dealing with a variety of issues and jobs in a very effective way, situations that would unnerve most people but he just kind of whistled through them like they were nothing. And the guy was not at all the type to make stuff up like that.

Anyway, it was only about a week later his girlfriend called that he had passed away. I'm certain that he knew he was dying and didn't have long to live and only revealed this to me because he wanted me to know before he died, and like my aunt, it is because of this that I take the story seriously as I consider the source unimpeachable. If anyone else had told me such a story, even my mother, I would not have taken them serious.
 
Just our masters checking the livestock only to find it's all contaminated with micro plastics, heavy metals, antidepressants and Teflon.
 
Just our masters checking the livestock only to find it's all contaminated with micro plastics, heavy metals, antidepressants and Teflon.

Unless they are the ones putting the microplastics there themselves in the first place! I caught an interview last night, I forget if he was the ex-CIA guy or just someone who had talked to an ex-CIA guy, but apparently, the source was someone "in the know," and basically, the gist of the conversation was that the average person on the street if they knew what he knew, they could not handle it. Maybe not even comprehend it.
 
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