The "I Stand With Israel" thread

[Phoenall]

So whatever the Palestinians do is ok and the Israelites in turn can do nothing right. I may as well put you on ignore then.

You might as well put yourself there to, since you're so willing to put words in my mouth.

Does not take much doing does it, just remind you of your past posts and there they are.

 

[Phoenall]

Billo_Really, Slyhunter, et al,

This is not exactly true.

Throwing rocks at tanks is not a capitol crime, it's legal resistance to a belligerent occupation.

(COMMENT)

It is covered in Article 68 of the Geneva Convention IV. It is not legal, any more than throwing rocks at police or military is legal in the US. Throwing rock is NOT legal resistance to a belligerent occupation.

ARTICLE 68:

Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed.

SOURCE: Section III. Occupied territories

Most Respectfully,
R

Okay, RockyRacoon, I'll put it to you this way...

Is shooting a kid to death, proportionate to the offence committed?

Ask your own police that same question, and see what answer you get. But see this for an example of what thrown rocks can do

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is pretty straight forward.

You are cherry picking the occupation laws. Why don't you give us the rest of the story?

(COMMENT)

The inferred question was: Is throwing rocks at the Occupation Force legal?

The answer is: NO!

What is the rest of the story?

Most Respectfully,
R

An occupying power is authorized to enforce little local laws of the occupied territory and can make up some of its own. So far I have not seen anyone quote such a law.

For the most part Israel operates outside of the law of occupation so I am not sure that they even apply.

The law has been quoted hundreds of times and it is the Geneva conventions that spell it all out. The major part is "for military purposes"

 

[Phoenall]

At least the Israeli's include the Disabled

BBC News - Israeli strike on disability shelter in Gaza's Beit Lahiya - YouTube

What do you expect? Look up for Hamas - Enemy of Humanity thread I posted it shows clearly the Hamas using of Human Shields.

That sure blows a hole in Israel's human shield bullshit.

Israel does not care if there are civilians there. Civilians shield nothing.

Under the Geneva conventions they cease to be civilians once they become willing human shields

 

[Phoenall]

Any American who values having friends in the world will dump Israel like a hot rock. Our tolerance of Israeli actions is responsible for our loss of support world wide, and particularly in the Muslim world. We don't need billions of enemies.

So, whose 'support' have we lost, exactly? North Korea's? Anybody who matters? Or do you mean among some animals who never 'supported' us in the first place? What was this 'support' we support' we have allegedly 'lost'? Were they baking us free cookies or something? I recall we lost the 'support' of the Philippine govt. recently, but then they came crying and sniveling about the Red Chinese and suddenly want us back now, but that's about it. It's not like our 'supporters' aren't being paid or getting something for it in return, and then drop it the instant they can get a better advantage elsewhere.

Muslims are the best enemies to have; what kind of psychos and savages would want them for 'friends'? I mean besides neo-Nazis and other sociopaths and murderers.

Have you been hiding under a rock? Virtually the entire world condemns Israel now. And what is going on at this moment is NOT going to help.

How about producing the evidence of this from a reputable source. The fact is the rest of the world does not condemn Israel, just some extremists in the countries around the world. The British have just signed papers with Israel and agree that they are doing the best they can against hamas. The State Funeral showed how many nations stand behind Israel, and the rocket attacks from hamas showed them what the Palestinians are like. This is why the west has stopped subsidising the Palestinians and have cut of all funding. Only the US and UN to go and Palestine is destitute and bankrupt

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is not anywhere close to reality.

An occupying power is authorized to enforce little local laws of the occupied territory and can make up some of its own. So far I have not seen anyone quote such a law.

For the most part Israel operates outside of the law of occupation so I am not sure that they even apply.

(COMMENT)

For the most part, Israel does comply to occupation law.

The problem is that Palestinians believe that they have some sort of special dispensation to violate the law. The fact is, that they don't.

Second, the situation in the Occupied Territories is complex. There are the two models are applied simultaneously. The law enforcement should be the default model. But the IDF often faces a threat that clearly originates in the armed struggle mode of the occupied territory from affiliated armed militant groups. The conduct-of-hostilities model becomes the applicable standard.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is a mixed bag of occupying, colonizing, and invading.

As far as occupation is concerned there is a list of obligations and restrictions.

Israel disregards virtually all of them.

Name them and produce the evidence from a reputable unbiased source ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is pretty straight forward.


(COMMENT)

The inferred question was: Is throwing rocks at the Occupation Force legal?

The answer is: NO!

What is the rest of the story?

Most Respectfully,
R

An occupying power is authorized to enforce little local laws of the occupied territory and can make up some of its own. So far I have not seen anyone quote such a law.

For the most part Israel operates outside of the law of occupation so I am not sure that they even apply.

The law has been quoted hundreds of times and it is the Geneva conventions that spell it all out. The major part is "for military purposes"

The IDF (Israeli Dumb *****) goes into Palestine to steal land.

The Palestinians throw rocks at them.

They shoot the Palestinians in "self defense."

 

[Picaro]

Any American who values having friends in the world will dump Israel like a hot rock. Our tolerance of Israeli actions is responsible for our loss of support world wide, and particularly in the Muslim world. We don't need billions of enemies.

So, whose 'support' have we lost, exactly? North Korea's? Anybody who matters? Or do you mean among some animals who never 'supported' us in the first place? What was this 'support' we support' we have allegedly 'lost'? Were they baking us free cookies or something? I recall we lost the 'support' of the Philippine govt. recently, but then they came crying and sniveling about the Red Chinese and suddenly want us back now, but that's about it. It's not like our 'supporters' aren't being paid or getting something for it in return, and then drop it the instant they can get a better advantage elsewhere.

Muslims are the best enemies to have; what kind of psychos and savages would want them for 'friends'? I mean besides neo-Nazis and other sociopaths and murderers.

Have you been hiding under a rock? Virtually the entire world condemns Israel now. And what is going on at this moment is NOT going to help.

The 'entire world'? You mean some antisemites, politicians, and neurotics who are obsessed with the U.S.'s ability to ignore their prattling nonsense and just can't shake enough money out of our taxpayers, and hope playing the U.S. bashing game will shake the bushes and bring a shower of bucks raining down on them? Kerry laid some $900 mil on your savages, and they think they can get more by committing some atrocities, which is likely the reason your savages started this current **** Fest to begin with; they're just extortionists and gangsters, and they count on other countries and the UN to feed, clothe, and feed them bucks. They consider it a Dhimmi tax, and aren't the least bit appreciative of being the best fed 'refugees' on the planet for decades. They stop their murders and threats of genociding Jews and their lucrative loot stream dries up; ditto if they got their own state and suddenly had to behave like a country. No way they're going to accept any 'peace'. You know all this, but insist on lying and posting propaganda in support of these shakedowns and killings.

 

[Daniyel]

An occupying power is authorized to enforce little local laws of the occupied territory and can make up some of its own. So far I have not seen anyone quote such a law.

For the most part Israel operates outside of the law of occupation so I am not sure that they even apply.

The law has been quoted hundreds of times and it is the Geneva conventions that spell it all out. The major part is "for military purposes"

The IDF (Israeli Dumb *****) goes into Palestine to steal land.

The Palestinians throw rocks at them.

They shoot the Palestinians in "self defense."

In result the Palestinians die, very wise, a Toast to you as well.

 

[Crystalclear]

I stand with Israel. I hope Israel will defeat Hamas and end the terror acts against Israel and the Palestinian citizens.
Hamas doesn't care about Palestina and the Palestinian people, otherwise they wouldn't use human shields.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I stand with Israel. I hope Israel will defeat Hamas and end the terror acts against Israel and the Palestinian citizens.
Hamas doesn't care about Palestina and the Palestinian people, otherwise they wouldn't use human shields.

Who was Israel's boogyman before there was Hamas?

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I stand with Israel. I hope Israel will defeat Hamas and end the terror acts against Israel and the Palestinian citizens.
Hamas doesn't care about Palestina and the Palestinian people, otherwise they wouldn't use human shields.

Are you European? You used the name "Palestina". It's good to know that some Europeans are standing with us against evil.

 

[Crystalclear]

I stand with Israel. I hope Israel will defeat Hamas and end the terror acts against Israel and the Palestinian citizens.

Hamas doesn't care about Palestina and the Palestinian people, otherwise they wouldn't use human shields.

Are you European? You used the name "Palestina". It's good to know that some Europeans are standing with us against evil.

Yeah, from Europe
But most of the people in Europe are also not very supportive of groups like Hamas.

 

[Picaro]

I stand with Israel. I hope Israel will defeat Hamas and end the terror acts against Israel and the Palestinian citizens.
Hamas doesn't care about Palestina and the Palestinian people, otherwise they wouldn't use human shields.

Are you European? You used the name "Palestina". It's good to know that some Europeans are standing with us against evil.

There are more Europeans opposed to the terrorists than the European press ever wants to admit; France in particular has a lot of Israel supporters.

 

[Ibentoken]

An occupying power is authorized to enforce little local laws of the occupied territory and can make up some of its own. So far I have not seen anyone quote such a law.

For the most part Israel operates outside of the law of occupation so I am not sure that they even apply.

The law has been quoted hundreds of times and it is the Geneva conventions that spell it all out. The major part is "for military purposes"

The IDF (Israeli Dumb *****) goes into Palestine to steal land.

The Palestinians throw rocks at them.

They shoot the Palestinians in "self defense."

You're on Native American land. Give it back.

 

[Crystalclear]

I stand with Israel. I hope Israel will defeat Hamas and end the terror acts against Israel and the Palestinian citizens.
Hamas doesn't care about Palestina and the Palestinian people, otherwise they wouldn't use human shields.

Are you European? You used the name "Palestina". It's good to know that some Europeans are standing with us against evil.

There are more Europeans opposed to the terrorists than the European press ever wants to admit; France in particular has a lot of Israel supporters.

Indeed, most people are neutral or support Israel. Nobody except the Muslims support Hamas.

 

[RoccoR]

Picaro, ForeverYoung436, Crystalclear, et al,

It is interesting.

I stand with Israel. I hope Israel will defeat Hamas and end the terror acts against Israel and the Palestinian citizens.
Hamas doesn't care about Palestina and the Palestinian people, otherwise they wouldn't use human shields.

Are you European? You used the name "Palestina". It's good to know that some Europeans are standing with us against evil.

There are more Europeans opposed to the terrorists than the European press ever wants to admit; France in particular has a lot of Israel supporters.

(COMMENT)

I think that the Europeans are becoming ever more apprehensive of the various and nefarious elements coming out of the Middle East/Persian Gulf Region.

I've been watching with interest, the gradual approach the European Union (EU) has taken towards terrorism. Today, there policy (FACT SHEET The EU list of persons, groups and entities subject to specific measures to combat terrorism July 2013) is evolving to be ever more clear on who and what is a terrorist; in some cases more definitive than the UN (The official EU List).

To that end, the EU adopted Council Common Position 2001/931/CFSP on the application of specific measures to combat terrorism and Council Regulation (EC) No 2580/2001 on specific restrictive measures directed against certain persons and entities with a view to combating terrorism.​

I think the EU is taking a deliberate approach, yet a bit more cautious. But they certainly recognize both the - Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and the Hamas-Izz al-Din al-Qassem (terrorist wing of Hamas) for what they are. However, the EU does not have any notice out on any one individual from the oPt.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Picaro, ForeverYoung436, Crystalclear, et al,

It is interesting.

Are you European? You used the name "Palestina". It's good to know that some Europeans are standing with us against evil.

There are more Europeans opposed to the terrorists than the European press ever wants to admit; France in particular has a lot of Israel supporters.

(COMMENT)

I think that the Europeans are becoming ever more apprehensive of the various and nefarious elements coming out of the Middle East/Persian Gulf Region.

I've been watching with interest, the gradual approach the European Union (EU) has taken towards terrorism. Today, there policy (FACT SHEET The EU list of persons, groups and entities subject to specific measures to combat terrorism July 2013) is evolving to be ever more clear on who and what is a terrorist; in some cases more definitive than the UN (The official EU List).

To that end, the EU adopted Council Common Position 2001/931/CFSP on the application of specific measures to combat terrorism and Council Regulation (EC) No 2580/2001 on specific restrictive measures directed against certain persons and entities with a view to combating terrorism.​

I think the EU is taking a deliberate approach, yet a bit more cautious. But they certainly recognize both the - Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and the Hamas-Izz al-Din al-Qassem (terrorist wing of Hamas) for what they are. However, the EU does not have any notice out on any one individual from the oPt.

Most Respectfully,
R

From your link:

(i) seriously intimidating a population, or

(ii) unduly compelling a Government or an international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or

(iii) seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation:

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;

(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;

(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;

(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property, likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;

(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;

(f) manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;

(g) release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, explosions or floods the effect of which is to endanger human life;

(h) interfering with or disrupting the supply of water, power or any other fundamental natural resource, the effect of which is to endanger human life;

A comprehensive definition of Israel.

 

[Indeependent]

Picaro, ForeverYoung436, Crystalclear, et al,

It is interesting.

There are more Europeans opposed to the terrorists than the European press ever wants to admit; France in particular has a lot of Israel supporters.

(COMMENT)

I think that the Europeans are becoming ever more apprehensive of the various and nefarious elements coming out of the Middle East/Persian Gulf Region.

I've been watching with interest, the gradual approach the European Union (EU) has taken towards terrorism. Today, there policy (FACT SHEET The EU list of persons, groups and entities subject to specific measures to combat terrorism July 2013) is evolving to be ever more clear on who and what is a terrorist; in some cases more definitive than the UN (The official EU List).

To that end, the EU adopted Council Common Position 2001/931/CFSP on the application of specific measures to combat terrorism and Council Regulation (EC) No 2580/2001 on specific restrictive measures directed against certain persons and entities with a view to combating terrorism.​

I think the EU is taking a deliberate approach, yet a bit more cautious. But they certainly recognize both the - Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and the Hamas-Izz al-Din al-Qassem (terrorist wing of Hamas) for what they are. However, the EU does not have any notice out on any one individual from the oPt.

Most Respectfully,
R

From your link:

(i) seriously intimidating a population, or

(ii) unduly compelling a Government or an international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or

(iii) seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation:

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;

(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;

(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;

(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property, likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;

(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;

(f) manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;

(g) release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, explosions or floods the effect of which is to endanger human life;

(h) interfering with or disrupting the supply of water, power or any other fundamental natural resource, the effect of which is to endanger human life;

A comprehensive definition of Israel.

In Europe, demanding Sharia Law.
Just how stupid are Muslims?
Too stupid.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Picaro, ForeverYoung436, Crystalclear, et al,

It is interesting.


(COMMENT)

I think that the Europeans are becoming ever more apprehensive of the various and nefarious elements coming out of the Middle East/Persian Gulf Region.

I've been watching with interest, the gradual approach the European Union (EU) has taken towards terrorism. Today, there policy (FACT SHEET The EU list of persons, groups and entities subject to specific measures to combat terrorism July 2013) is evolving to be ever more clear on who and what is a terrorist; in some cases more definitive than the UN (The official EU List).

To that end, the EU adopted Council Common Position 2001/931/CFSP on the application of specific measures to combat terrorism and Council Regulation (EC) No 2580/2001 on specific restrictive measures directed against certain persons and entities with a view to combating terrorism.​

I think the EU is taking a deliberate approach, yet a bit more cautious. But they certainly recognize both the - Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and the Hamas-Izz al-Din al-Qassem (terrorist wing of Hamas) for what they are. However, the EU does not have any notice out on any one individual from the oPt.

Most Respectfully,
R

From your link:

(i) seriously intimidating a population, or

(ii) unduly compelling a Government or an international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act, or

(iii) seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation:

(a) attacks upon a person's life which may cause death;

(b) attacks upon the physical integrity of a person;

(c) kidnapping or hostage taking;

(d) causing extensive destruction to a Government or public facility, a transport system, an infrastructure facility, including an information system, a fixed platform located on the continental shelf, a public place or private property, likely to endanger human life or result in major economic loss;

(e) seizure of aircraft, ships or other means of public or goods transport;

(f) manufacture, possession, acquisition, transport, supply or use of weapons, explosives or of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, as well as research into, and development of, biological and chemical weapons;

(g) release of dangerous substances, or causing fires, explosions or floods the effect of which is to endanger human life;

(h) interfering with or disrupting the supply of water, power or any other fundamental natural resource, the effect of which is to endanger human life;

A comprehensive definition of Israel.

In Europe, demanding Sharia Law.
Just how stupid are Muslims?
Too stupid.

Agreed.

Why do some people have so little faith in their beliefs that they want them enforced be the government?