The "I Stand With Israel" thread

[BooGeymaN]

If we are talking about civilised societies then sure Israel is western like society with organisation, human rights and everything else (though human rights go bye bye when it comes to their attitude tpwards Palestinians)....on the other hand the muslim Palestinianss are not that much better than the rest of the Arabic world.
But here we dont have a discussion about the more advanced and civilised community but about who is the true owner and who is the tyrant on the lands of Judea/Palestaine. In this case the rightfull owners are the Palestinians and not the Jews that gathered there after WW2 and exiled/kicked out the rightfull inhabitants.

Now Israelis have problem because the people who are still in exile, confined like animals in spesific areas and opressed, try to revolt and attack them, every time they can?
Is like if the thief is crying and protest because the owner of the house tries to escape from the basement and attack him.... Ironic eh?

 

[MikeK]

Any American who values having any friends in the world would support Israel.

Any American who values having friends in the world will dump Israel like a hot rock. Our tolerance of Israeli actions is responsible for our loss of support world wide, and particularly in the Muslim world. We don't need billions of enemies.

We never had 'support' from the Muslim world. And if we follow our 'error' of having supported the creation of Israel with dissolving the alliance for your 'reasons' - that will lose the US any remaining support we might have had, especially from Canada (and hence the rest of the Commonwealth nations).

We are not interested in deriving support from the Muslim world but rather peaceful co-existence with it and nothing more. We would like the religious crazies of that world to go on wiping each other out as they have done throughout history and to stay in their own back yard. In return we will stay in ours. And I believe the Muslim world will be very content with that arrangement. So we need to put an end to the Crusades.

Re: Canada: Canada is a cocker spaniel who lives next door to a massive pit bull who happens to like it. And don't lose sight of the fact that Canada depends on that pit bull for its very survival.

Nor would it gain any 'support' from the Muslim world - for they would see us as weak and open to be under their control (as so many of their leaders think would be proper: they've said so!)..... and they'd simply ramp up the pressure to re-shape the UN to suit global Islamic goals.

You are talking about a very tiny percentage of fanatical screwballs most of whom have never been able to afford more than two pairs of sneakers and a used AK-47. As for the majority of rational Muslims, they are not at all interested in having fifteen hydrogen bombs for breakfast. So whether they will "see us as weak," if you really believe that I won't try to pop the bubble. Go on believing it.

 

[Daniyel]

In the war between civilization and the savage, always choose civilization.

At least the Israeli's include the Disabled

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngICmpC5SNA]BBC News - Israeli strike on disability shelter in Gaza's Beit Lahiya - YouTube[/ame]

What do you expect? Look up for Hamas - Enemy of Humanity thread I posted it shows clearly the Hamas using of Human Shields.

 

[Hossfly]

If we are talking about civilised societies then sure Israel is western like society with organisation, human rights and everything else (though human rights go bye bye when it comes to their attitude tpwards Palestinians)....on the other hand the muslim Palestinianss are not that much better than the rest of the Arabic world.
But here we dont have a discussion about the more advanced and civilised community but about who is the true owner and who is the tyrant on the lands of Judea/Palestaine. In this case the rightfull owners are the Palestinians and not the Jews that gathered there after WW2 and exiled/kicked out the rightfull inhabitants.

Now Israelis have problem because the people who are still in exile, confined like animals in spesific areas and opressed, try to revolt and attack them, every time they can?
Is like if the thief is crying and protest because the owner of the house tries to escape from the basement and attack him.... Ironic eh?

....on the other hand the muslim Palestinianss are not that much better than the rest of the Arabic world.....


Wow! That's a kick in the ass to the rest of the Arabic world.

 

[Ibentoken]

Here's an old muslim who wants to wear a suicide belt and blow himself up along with some Jews in Tel Aviv. This is not a civilizated culture ready for statehood. Support civilization, not barbaric savages.
Video Shows Israeli Pilot About to Bomb a Terror Target Until Something He Saw Stopped Him Cold | Video | TheBlaze.com

 

[Picaro]

Any loyal American who understands that supporting Israel is detrimental to the best interests of their Nation.

Anyone who does not understand this should go here Who Is Bin Laden? - Interview With Osama Bin Laden (in May 1998) | Hunting Bin Laden | FRONTLINE | PBS and learn.

Any American who values having any friends in the world would support Israel.

Any American who values having friends in the world will dump Israel like a hot rock. Our tolerance of Israeli actions is responsible for our loss of support world wide, and particularly in the Muslim world. We don't need billions of enemies.

So, whose 'support' have we lost, exactly? North Korea's? Anybody who matters? Or do you mean among some animals who never 'supported' us in the first place? What was this 'support' we support' we have allegedly 'lost'? Were they baking us free cookies or something? I recall we lost the 'support' of the Philippine govt. recently, but then they came crying and sniveling about the Red Chinese and suddenly want us back now, but that's about it. It's not like our 'supporters' aren't being paid or getting something for it in return, and then drop it the instant they can get a better advantage elsewhere.

Muslims are the best enemies to have; what kind of psychos and savages would want them for 'friends'? I mean besides neo-Nazis and other sociopaths and murderers.

 

[Daniyel]

Any American who values having any friends in the world would support Israel.

Any American who values having friends in the world will dump Israel like a hot rock. Our tolerance of Israeli actions is responsible for our loss of support world wide, and particularly in the Muslim world. We don't need billions of enemies.

So, whose 'support' have we lost, exactly? North Korea's? Anybody who matters? Or do you mean among some animals who never 'supported' us in the first place? What was this 'support' we support' we have allegedly 'lost'? Were they baking us free cookies or something? I recall we lost the 'support' of the Philippine govt. recently, but then they came crying and sniveling about the Red Chinese and suddenly want us back now, but that's about it. It's not like our 'supporters' aren't being paid or getting something for it in return, and then drop it the instant they can get a better advantage elsewhere.

Muslims are the best enemies to have; what kind of psychos and savages would want them for 'friends'? I mean besides neo-Nazis and other sociopaths and murderers.

By the way I'm American.

 

[sealybobo]

Long time ago, I sent a audio clip from "X-Men" to israelnationalradio.com being an avid reader/listener containing the bit between Wolverine and Storm of:

"...There is a war coming. You sure you're on the right side?"

"At least I've chosen a side."

So with that in mind,

The war has come. You sure you're on the right side?


I STAND WITH ISRAEL!

I stand with the Palastinians.

1. Stop moving into their neighborhoods. You guys are probably running out of space so you keep expanding into their territory. Stop it.

2. Stop treating them like second class citizens. We've all seen how you guys treat them and we do not approve. But you can't talk to jewish people about anything. Either you agree with them or you are anti semetic.

3. Give them their own country with plenty of space. Don't give them a 4 block radius and then pick on them with check points and blockaids. Separate yourselves from them.

 

[Ibentoken]

I'm 100% sure i am on the right side.

I stand for PEACE in a secular democratic state for all inhabitants of Palestine/Israel.

I agree. In the war between barbaric savages and civilization, I support civilization. Israel.

 

[Ibentoken]

Long time ago, I sent a audio clip from "X-Men" to israelnationalradio.com being an avid reader/listener containing the bit between Wolverine and Storm of:

"...There is a war coming. You sure you're on the right side?"

"At least I've chosen a side."

So with that in mind,

The war has come. You sure you're on the right side?


I STAND WITH ISRAEL!

I stand with the Palastinians.

1. Stop moving into their neighborhoods. You guys are probably running out of space so you keep expanding into their territory. Stop it.

2. Stop treating them like second class citizens. We've all seen how you guys treat them and we do not approve. But you can't talk to jewish people about anything. Either you agree with them or you are anti semetic.

3. Give them their own country with plenty of space. Don't give them a 4 block radius and then pick on them with check points and blockaids. Separate yourselves from them.

They were offered their own country in 1948 and refused it and have done so repeatedly since then. Wise up.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I stand with Israel!

 

[amity1844]

Any American who values having any friends in the world would support Israel.

Any American who values having friends in the world will dump Israel like a hot rock. Our tolerance of Israeli actions is responsible for our loss of support world wide, and particularly in the Muslim world. We don't need billions of enemies.

We never had 'support' from the Muslim world. And if we follow our 'error' of having supported the creation of Israel with dissolving the alliance for your 'reasons' - that will lose the US any remaining support we might have had, especially from Canada (and hence the rest of the Commonwealth nations).

Nor would it gain any 'support' from the Muslim world - for they would see us as weak and open to be under their control (as so many of their leaders think would be proper: they've said so!)..... and they'd simply ramp up the pressure to re-shape the UN to suit global Islamic goals.

We never had any support from the Muslim world because we have been supporting Israel since before they even had their independence.

Canada isn't going to want to be associated with what is going on in Israel, any more than the US is.

No one is remotely concerned with "weak" or "strong", that is archaic foreign policy thinking. The Soviet Union is gone now, after all.

Also, WTF are "global Islamic goals?" Really?

 

[amity1844]

They were offered their own country in 1948 and refused it and have done so repeatedly since then. Wise up.

I generally try to leave international law to Tinmore, coz he the man in that regard, but I can't help but ask, WHO exactly refused the partition plan in behalf of the Palestinians? and what was the source of that person's or group's legitimacy?

 

[TemplarKormac]

While -4 points doesn't hurt when I have 19,900,000 amity; I respond with a neg to anyone who negs me. You are in red bars as a result. You were warned. I suggest garnering more reputation before you start doling out negs. Even still, you hate the fact that I stand with Israel. Calling me an 'idiot' in your neg tells me why.

 

[amity1844]

Any American who values having friends in the world will dump Israel like a hot rock. Our tolerance of Israeli actions is responsible for our loss of support world wide, and particularly in the Muslim world. We don't need billions of enemies.

We never had 'support' from the Muslim world. And if we follow our 'error' of having supported the creation of Israel with dissolving the alliance for your 'reasons' - that will lose the US any remaining support we might have had, especially from Canada (and hence the rest of the Commonwealth nations).

We are not interested in deriving support from the Muslim world but rather peaceful co-existence with it and nothing more. We would like the religious crazies of that world to go on wiping each other out as they have done throughout history and to stay in their own back yard. In return we will stay in ours. And I believe the Muslim world will be very content with that arrangement. So we need to put an end to the Crusades.

Re: Canada: Canada is a cocker spaniel who lives next door to a massive pit bull who happens to like it. And don't lose sight of the fact that Canada depends on that pit bull for its very survival.

Nor would it gain any 'support' from the Muslim world - for they would see us as weak and open to be under their control (as so many of their leaders think would be proper: they've said so!)..... and they'd simply ramp up the pressure to re-shape the UN to suit global Islamic goals.

You are talking about a very tiny percentage of fanatical screwballs most of whom have never been able to afford more than two pairs of sneakers and a used AK-47. As for the majority of rational Muslims, they are not at all interested in having fifteen hydrogen bombs for breakfast. So whether they will "see us as weak," if you really believe that I won't try to pop the bubble. Go on believing it.

I agree with practically everything. When I said "support" I truly meant non-opposition, plus of course TRADING opportunities. We want them capitalist, to be sure. But otherwise mere friendly relations will do. The situation we have at this point is worsening to the point that Muslim societies will almost knee-jerk oppose U.S. interests, and that is not good. Its an enmity that doesn't need to be. We just need to cut Israel loose and give honest criticism of its more lunatic enterprises.

 

[TemplarKormac]

They were offered their own country in 1948 and refused it and have done so repeatedly since then. Wise up.

I generally try to leave international law to Tinmore, coz he the man in that regard, but I can't help but ask, WHO exactly refused the partition plan in behalf of the Palestinians? and what was the source of that person's or group's legitimacy?

The Palestinians. Read history much? Haj Amin Al Husseini rejected both the 1937 and 1947 UN Partition plans on behalf of the Palestinians. Israel accepted them both. You see, back then the leadership in Palestine was basically a ruling family, consisting of mainly Grand Mufti Husseini's relatives. So to answer your question, the same man who slaughtered Jews for the fun of it decided to reject the partition plan on behalf of Palestine.

As for his legitimacy, he was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

 

[Hossfly]

Any American who values having friends in the world will dump Israel like a hot rock. Our tolerance of Israeli actions is responsible for our loss of support world wide, and particularly in the Muslim world. We don't need billions of enemies.

We never had 'support' from the Muslim world. And if we follow our 'error' of having supported the creation of Israel with dissolving the alliance for your 'reasons' - that will lose the US any remaining support we might have had, especially from Canada (and hence the rest of the Commonwealth nations).

Nor would it gain any 'support' from the Muslim world - for they would see us as weak and open to be under their control (as so many of their leaders think would be proper: they've said so!)..... and they'd simply ramp up the pressure to re-shape the UN to suit global Islamic goals.

We never had any support from the Muslim world because we have been supporting Israel since before they even had their independence.

Canada isn't going to want to be associated with what is going on in Israel, any more than the US is.

No one is remotely concerned with "weak" or "strong", that is archaic foreign policy thinking. The Soviet Union is gone now, after all.

Also, WTF are "global Islamic goals?" Really?

"global Islamic goals" = World Caliphate. Or do you read the Quran? Or listen to the nutcase Ayatollah?

 

[Billo_Really]

So whatever the Palestinians do is ok and the Israelites in turn can do nothing right. I may as well put you on ignore then.

You might as well put yourself there to, since you're so willing to put words in my mouth.

 

[Billo_Really]

Billo_Really, Slyhunter, et al,

This is not exactly true.

not.
Palestinians throwing rocks at tanks are not innocent.

Throwing rocks at tanks is not a capitol crime, it's legal resistance to a belligerent occupation.

(COMMENT)

It is covered in Article 68 of the Geneva Convention IV. It is not legal, any more than throwing rocks at police or military is legal in the US. Throwing rock is NOT legal resistance to a belligerent occupation.

ARTICLE 68:

Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed.

SOURCE: Section III. Occupied territories

Most Respectfully,
R

Okay, RockyRacoon, I'll put it to you this way...

Is shooting a kid to death, proportionate to the offence committed?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is pretty straight forward.

Billo_Really, Slyhunter, et al,

This is not exactly true.


(COMMENT)

It is covered in Article 68 of the Geneva Convention IV. It is not legal, any more than throwing rocks at police or military is legal in the US. Throwing rock is NOT legal resistance to a belligerent occupation.



Most Respectfully,
R

You are cherry picking the occupation laws. Why don't you give us the rest of the story?

(COMMENT)

The inferred question was: Is throwing rocks at the Occupation Force legal?

The answer is: NO!

What is the rest of the story?

Most Respectfully,
R

An occupying power is authorized to enforce little local laws of the occupied territory and can make up some of its own. So far I have not seen anyone quote such a law.

For the most part Israel operates outside of the law of occupation so I am not sure that they even apply.