The Horror in Buffalo, New York Shows the Madness of the Supreme Court’s Looming Gun Decision

[pknopp]

Mob or voters?

Sadly today, I do not see much distinction.

 

[fncceo]

Sadly today, I do not see much distinction.

Yes, legislation according to the will of the people is a terrible thing when it interferes with your agenda ...

 

[pknopp]

Yes, legislation according to the will of the people is a terrible thing when it interferes with your agenda ...

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It can be, can't it? Is that not the complaint of the OP?

 

[Blues Man]

The problem with the Moon Bats is that they don't understand Biology any more than they understand Economics, History, Climate Science, Ethics or the Constitution.

Two different humans. I shit you not. Go look it up.

The Moon Bats think that a male can get pregeant and have an abortion so it is understandable that they are confused about things like this.

For one I am not a democrat never was and 2 I never denied that a fetus at any stage was human.

Human is a biological definition. Person is a legal and moral definition.

The Constitution is pretty clear that born persons are the ones with protected legal rights not unborn persons

 

[Blues Man]

Well, that is the system we have in this country.

If that upsets you, I know a place where you might be a lot more comfortable ... and abortions are provided by the state ...

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No we have a republic.

Which is one of the reasons we don't let popular opinion decide the rights of people.

But no matter how you slice it our representatives never actually represent the interests of ALL the people

 

[martybegan]

I don’t get how the Supreme Court can overturn a woman’s fundamental right to choose but not a mass shooter’s murderous right to have such easy access to guns that the back to back massacres in Buffalo, NY and now Laguna Woods, CA will become a new normal weekend

The Horror in New York Shows the Madness of the Supreme Court’s Looming Gun Decision

Fueled by a potent cocktail of gun rights mythology and an invented vision of the past, this radical ideology has no roots in text, history, or tradition.

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The guy in Buffalo used a rifle, the NY case is about localities denying concealed carry permits "just because they feel like it".


1-2 more concealed carry permit holders in that supermarket and the shooter may have been taken down quicker.

 

[fncceo]

Which is one of the reasons we don't let popular opinion decide the rights of people.

In fact, we do ... all rights not originally, of by subsequent amendment to The Constitution, are created by elected legislators.

Any sufficiently unpopular legislation can be reversed if the voters replace the legislators, as is their duty.

 

[Blues Man]

In fact, we do ... all rights not originally, of by subsequent amendment to The Constitution, are created by elected legislators.

Any sufficiently unpopular legislation can be reversed if the voters replace the legislators, as is their duty.

Our entire governmental philosophy is based on the idea that the government does not grant rights to people but rather those rights are inherent in each individual.

 

[martybegan]

In fact, we do ... all rights not originally, of by subsequent amendment to The Constitution, are created by elected legislators.

Any sufficiently unpopular legislation can be reversed if the voters replace the legislators, as is their duty.

And those amendments were all approved by the people or their representatives as well, just with supermajorities instead of straight up majorities.

 

[fncceo]

Our entire governmental philosophy is based on the idea that the government does not grant rights to people but rather those rights are inherent in each individual.

No one can claim a right that is against existing legislation.

You might, for example, believe you have a god-given right to use heroin, or commit suicide, drive at any speed you feel is necessary ... but, where these "rights" are forbidden by legislation, your belief in that right has no basis in reality.

While we like to believe we can grant ourselves rights ... in fact, our legal system specifically says we can't.

 

[pknopp]

No one can claim a right that is against existing legislation.

You might, for example, believe you have a god-given right to use heroin, or commit suicide, drive at any speed you feel is necessary ... but, where these "rights" are forbidden by legislation, your belief in that right has no basis in reality.

While we like to believe we can grant ourselves rights ... in fact, our legal system specifically says we can't.

One day many years ago a group of young men believed they had the right to eat at the same lunch counter as other men. Laws said they could not. They did not believe these laws valid so they ignored them. After some upset feelings it was determined they were right.

 

[Blues Man]

No one can claim a right that is against existing legislation.

You might, for example, believe you have a god-given right to use heroin, or commit suicide, drive at any speed you feel is necessary ... but, where these "rights" are forbidden by legislation, your belief in that right has no basis in reality.

While we like to believe we can grant ourselves rights ... in fact, our legal system specifically says we can't.

YEah all those laws don't stop people from using heroin.

 

[fncceo]

One day many years ago a group of young men believed they had the right to eat at the same lunch counter as other men. Laws said they could not. They did not believe these laws valid so they ignored them. After some upset feelings it was determined they were right.

Yes, once the legislation that allowed prohibition was overturned by other legislation.

Until then, the state had the legal, not the moral, right to enforce segregation.

The right ultimately didn't become real until realized by legislation.

 

[fncceo]

YEah all those laws don't stop people from using heroin.

Yes, you can use heroin, you can commit suicide, you can commit homicide, you can do pretty much anything you want ... you just don't have the legal right to do so.

There is a huge difference between doing something and having the legal right to do so.

 

[martybegan]

No one can claim a right that is against existing legislation.

You might, for example, believe you have a god-given right to use heroin, or commit suicide, drive at any speed you feel is necessary ... but, where these "rights" are forbidden by legislation, your belief in that right has no basis in reality.

While we like to believe we can grant ourselves rights ... in fact, our legal system specifically says we can't.

Just ask one of those "sovereign citizen" types about that one.

 

[fncceo]

Just ask one of those "sovereign citizen" types about that one.

I love sovereign citizens. They are by far the most fun to arrest.

They actually believe that the nonsense they scream will prevent them from being charged with any offenses they commit.

 

[Blues Man]

Yes, you can use heroin, you can commit suicide, you can commit homicide, you can do pretty much anything you want ... you just don't have the legal right to do so.

There is a huge difference between doing something and having the legal right to do so.

If a person used heroin a week ago and tests positive on a drug test he will not be arrested for his past use of heroin.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

If it were up to the men, women would be never left the bed and would be having sex to no end.

No, that's just what the liberal rag media has fed you to believe.

 

[fncceo]

If it were up to the men, women would be never left the bed and would be having sex to no end.

Ridiculous!

Breakfast isn't going to make itself!

 

[LordBrownTrout]

If a person used heroin a week ago and tests positive on a drug test he will not be arrested for his past use of heroin.

Why would he be arrested? As long as he's harming himself and no one else...............who cares, right?