Seymour Flops
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I know there have been threads about this. But USMB advised me to start a new one:
I haven't seen either movie in full, so maybe I'm not qualified to judge them. On the other hand, very few people have seen it according to the box office results, so I am qualified to comment on the group of "did not see them."
It was not just the gay characters. It was the wokeness of publicizing that there were gay characters, and same-sex romance.
They could have sold it as a good movie about explorers, taking place in some distant future, but whose characters' lives follow some of the conventions of historical dramas. By that I mean the wagon-like vehicles, the farming, etc. Much like Star Wars which takes place in a high tech time, but the characters are required to sword fight. "Lightyear" should have sold itself, it was the most recent in a very popular series. Don't advertise the same-sex married characters and the movie would have drawn an audience.
Watching the "gay scenes" of Strange World and they seem to be the same "aw shucks, I'm so shy, my dad's so dorky," attempted cuteness that nearly all Disney romances have. It's kind of OK that they are repetitive, because they are each for a young audience that may not have seen the earlier version so that they would call out its lack of originality.
It wasn't gay porn. Public schools are noted for featuring far more explicit gay material. I would say that the message of "Lightyear," with its build up to the same-ex kiss was "it's ok to be gay." The message of "Strange World" was "it's so OK to be gay, that this movie is not even noticing that the characters are gay."
I agree that it is OK to be gay. Or more to the point, I agree that it isn't for me to say whether it's OK to be gay. No one gay or thinking about being gay needs my permission or approval. But, rightly or wrongly, plenty of Americans do not accept that it is OK to be gay, especially not for their kids. They know that kids often go through a phase of confusion about sex and sexuality, and they like the idea that their kids will be restrained from experimenting with same-sex by disapproval of gayness.
Do I agree that it's OK to parent that way? Here again, it isn't up to me to agre or disagree. No parent needs my permission or approval to raise their kids that way.
Disney's losses were entirely predictible. I get that they might be surprised that they are losing so badly and so expensively in their fight against DeSantis. He is excoriated in the media, they must have felt that he would crumble under pressure and loss of support. Now, he will almost certainly win the WH in 2024 or 2028, during which time they may go through several CEO's trying to get them back on track.
I haven't seen either movie in full, so maybe I'm not qualified to judge them. On the other hand, very few people have seen it according to the box office results, so I am qualified to comment on the group of "did not see them."
It was not just the gay characters. It was the wokeness of publicizing that there were gay characters, and same-sex romance.
They could have sold it as a good movie about explorers, taking place in some distant future, but whose characters' lives follow some of the conventions of historical dramas. By that I mean the wagon-like vehicles, the farming, etc. Much like Star Wars which takes place in a high tech time, but the characters are required to sword fight. "Lightyear" should have sold itself, it was the most recent in a very popular series. Don't advertise the same-sex married characters and the movie would have drawn an audience.
Watching the "gay scenes" of Strange World and they seem to be the same "aw shucks, I'm so shy, my dad's so dorky," attempted cuteness that nearly all Disney romances have. It's kind of OK that they are repetitive, because they are each for a young audience that may not have seen the earlier version so that they would call out its lack of originality.
It wasn't gay porn. Public schools are noted for featuring far more explicit gay material. I would say that the message of "Lightyear," with its build up to the same-ex kiss was "it's ok to be gay." The message of "Strange World" was "it's so OK to be gay, that this movie is not even noticing that the characters are gay."
I agree that it is OK to be gay. Or more to the point, I agree that it isn't for me to say whether it's OK to be gay. No one gay or thinking about being gay needs my permission or approval. But, rightly or wrongly, plenty of Americans do not accept that it is OK to be gay, especially not for their kids. They know that kids often go through a phase of confusion about sex and sexuality, and they like the idea that their kids will be restrained from experimenting with same-sex by disapproval of gayness.
Do I agree that it's OK to parent that way? Here again, it isn't up to me to agre or disagree. No parent needs my permission or approval to raise their kids that way.
Disney's losses were entirely predictible. I get that they might be surprised that they are losing so badly and so expensively in their fight against DeSantis. He is excoriated in the media, they must have felt that he would crumble under pressure and loss of support. Now, he will almost certainly win the WH in 2024 or 2028, during which time they may go through several CEO's trying to get them back on track.
