The Height of Hypocrisy

There is no such a thing as a "conviction came from Zero evidence". Our laws and our Constitution do not allow anyone to be convicted without evidence.

As such, prove your statement. Words are free to say.


So you personally pick and choose what decisions by the SCOTUS to believe. If that is the case, then do not use it to make a point. It is your opinion and not a fact.


If that is the case, then this SCOTUS took away a woman's rights. That is wrong. No one has the right to take rights away from anyone.


Speculation given that Biden did not pack the courts with judges that lean to the left. Trump did pack the courts with judges that lean to the right. Bottom like, SCOTUS should NOT be political. It should be about the law and about human rights, not about personal opinions on what is right or wrong.

There is no such a thing as a "conviction came from Zero evidence". Our laws and our Constitution do not allow anyone to be convicted without evidence.

As such, prove your statement. Words are free to say.

Well, if you look at this case, they did just that. You asked me to prove my statement, all I have to do is point to the case and say, show me the evidence she presented. That’s all the proof indeed. There was zero evidence. Trump was convicted on preponderance of evidence which is one of the lowest bars for conviction, and it literally states that the jury just has to decide which sides story is more likely to be true or not. In other words, it’s left to the feelings of the jurors. Not based off evidence, just on “did they think it was possible”. That’s what that case boils down to.

So you personally pick and choose what decisions by the SCOTUS to believe. If that is the case, then do not use it to make a point. It is your opinion and not a fact.

no, that’s not it at all. The scotus job is to interpret law based on the constitution. If they make a decision that is in line with cotus, then they are doing their job, if they don’t, then they are not.

If that is the case, then this SCOTUS took away a woman's rights. That is wrong. No one has the right to take rights away from anyone.

Roe should have never made abortion legal because the courts don’t make law, and the federal government does not have the power to make abortion legal. It’s not a power delegated to them in the cotus. Again, 10th ammendment.

Speculation given that Biden did not pack the courts with judges that lean to the left.

I’ll give you that…he didn’t, and I’m surprised, but then he really couldn’t because he doesn’t have a filibuster proof majority. However, his term isn’t over yet, he could pull a last minute surprise. He did campaign on restoring roe, and since he’s not running again, he could pull a last minute move.

Trump did pack the courts with judges that lean to the right.

He filled vacancies with right leaning judges, the same as democrats would have done. How can you fault him for that.

Bottom like, SCOTUS should NOT be political. It should be about the law and about human rights, not about personal opinions on what is right or wrong.
I agree 1000%. The courts (any court) should not be political. I think if you have aspirations of being on the Supreme Court, your political leanings should be kept private. BOTH sides pick their scotus nominees based on their political leanings and what they think those nominees will do for the presidents agenda. I think this is wrong. The law should be interpreted based on the text and intent of the law, not based on personal political leanings. I’m not even really a fan of “precedent” because if they get it wrong once, they get it wrong all the way down the line. Roe is a perfect example of this. They got it wrong back then, and people interpreted it as abortion is a constitutional right. That was incorrect, it should have always been a state issue.

The scotus was not being political in that decision, they were correcting a 50 year old mistake. Also, if the goal was to make abortion illegal, they could have very well did that, but they didn’t, they said the states should decide.
 
Well, if you look at this case, they did just that. You asked me to prove my statement, all I have to do is point to the case and say, show me the evidence she presented. That’s all the proof indeed. There was zero evidence. Trump was convicted on preponderance of evidence which is one of the lowest bars for conviction, and it literally states that the jury just has to decide which sides story is more likely to be true or not. In other words, it’s left to the feelings of the jurors. Not based off evidence, just on “did they think it was possible”. That’s what that case boils down to.



no, that’s not it at all. The scotus job is to interpret law based on the constitution. If they make a decision that is in line with cotus, then they are doing their job, if they don’t, then they are not.



Roe should have never made abortion legal because the courts don’t make law, and the federal government does not have the power to make abortion legal. It’s not a power delegated to them in the cotus. Again, 10th ammendment.



I’ll give you that…he didn’t, and I’m surprised, but then he really couldn’t because he doesn’t have a filibuster proof majority. However, his term isn’t over yet, he could pull a last minute surprise. He did campaign on restoring roe, and since he’s not running again, he could pull a last minute move.



He filled vacancies with right leaning judges, the same as democrats would have done. How can you fault him for that.


I agree 1000%. The courts (any court) should not be political. I think if you have aspirations of being on the Supreme Court, your political leanings should be kept private. BOTH sides pick their scotus nominees based on their political leanings and what they think those nominees will do for the presidents agenda. I think this is wrong. The law should be interpreted based on the text and intent of the law, not based on personal political leanings. I’m not even really a fan of “precedent” because if they get it wrong once, they get it wrong all the way down the line. Roe is a perfect example of this. They got it wrong back then, and people interpreted it as abortion is a constitutional right. That was incorrect, it should have always been a state issue.

The scotus was not being political in that decision, they were correcting a 50 year old mistake. Also, if the goal was to make abortion illegal, they could have very well did that, but they didn’t, they said the states should decide.
Well, the reality is that neither of us have enough knowledge of the law to say what is and what is not legal. Bottom line though, is that without right leaning judges, the SCOTUS decision from 52 years ago had never been overturned. It took Right Leaning judges to do that. In addition, none of the other judges (other than the right leaning ones) voted to repeal that previous decision.

As far as your statement about zero evidence, you need to provide links to legal scholars that have stated that as a fact. Your opinion on this is worthless.

The Fact is that everything in the cases against Trump followed legal standards and it was also judged by 12 peers, any of which had they agreed with you, Trump would not have been found guilty.

You and everyone that has so far felt as you do are known to be biased. Show me legal proof to your contentions and I will review it. Your words mean nothing.
 
Well, the reality is that neither of us have enough knowledge of the law to say what is and what is not legal. Bottom line though, is that without right leaning judges, the SCOTUS decision from 52 years ago had never been overturned. It took Right Leaning judges to do that. In addition, none of the other judges (other than the right leaning ones) voted to repeal that previous decision.

As far as your statement about zero evidence, you need to provide links to legal scholars that have stated that as a fact. Your opinion on this is worthless.

The Fact is that everything in the cases against Trump followed legal standards and it was also judged by 12 peers, any of which had they agreed with you, Trump would not have been found guilty.

You and everyone that has so far felt as you do are known to be biased. Show me legal proof to your contentions and I will review it. Your words mean nothing.

It took Right Leaning judges to do that. In addition, none of the other judges (other than the right leaning ones) voted to repeal that previous decision.
This should really tell you something. All of the democrat justices dissented in Dobbs. This makes me question if they were really thinking about the case through the lens of the constitution, or political views. The 10th amendment is very clear and should have been one of the main focuses of the Dobbs decision.

As far as your statement about zero evidence, you need to provide links to legal scholars that have stated that as a fact. Your opinion on this is worthless.

Why do I need to post links to legal scholars? Just look at the case. Did she provide any evidence? We don’t need legal scholars to show us what isn’t there.

She had no video evidence, no dna, no eye witness. Couldn’t remember details of the event, claimed she still had a dress from when the event happened only to find out that dress hadn’t even been made til a couple years later. No police report, no hospital records, changed her story a couple of times, the story she told was the plot of an episode of her favorite tv show, made a Twitter post after it had happened asking people if they would have sex with trump for money, and the only evidence she had is that she said she told a friend after it happened.

Then she goes on the Rachael Maddow show and does this bizarre interview where she basically brags about what she’s going to do with the money and asks Maddow what she could buy her.

I mean, none of that sounds strange?

He was basically convicted off of the access Hollywood tape, that’s what it was. The jury listened to that tape and determined that, if trump says he grabbed women by the *****, then it’s likely that he abused e Jean Carrol. That’s the case in a nutshell. They took a statement, used one of the lowest bars for conviction and made a conviction out of that. There was never any evidence that he ever had any such encounter with Carroll.

The Fact is that everything in the cases against Trump followed legal standards and it was also judged by 12 peers, any of which had they agreed with you, Trump would not have been found guilty.

You’re right, it did follow legal standard, but read the above. The case was never decided on evidence because there wasn’t any. The case was decided on “do you think it’s possible”

You and everyone that has so far felt as you do are known to be biased. Show me legal proof to your contentions and I will review it. Your words mean nothing.

How can I be biased? I have no dog in this fight. I couldn’t care less about trump, all I care about is, from the moment Trump came down that escalator, dems vowed to get trump, and everything that has happened since then has been just an extension of that long chain of partisanship going back over 9 years.

I’m not one to support a person, I support the party and the ideology, you could replace Trump with any other candidate and I’d still feel the same.
 
This should really tell you something. All of the democrat justices dissented in Dobbs. This makes me question if they were really thinking about the case through the lens of the constitution, or political views. The 10th amendment is very clear and should have been one of the main focuses of the Dobbs decision.

What a load of BS. You yourself stated that SCOTUS should be non-partisan and now YOU are accusing the people that did vote to overturn Roe vs Wade leftists. Could it be the did not agree with the decision because they considered it legally wrong?
Why do I need to post links to legal scholars? Just look at the case. Did she provide any evidence? We don’t need legal scholars to show us what isn’t there.

More BS from you. It is deflecting because you CAN'T provide those facts
She had no video evidence, no dna, no eye witness. Couldn’t remember details of the event, claimed she still had a dress from when the event happened only to find out that dress hadn’t even been made til a couple years later. No police report, no hospital records, changed her story a couple of times, the story she told was the plot of an episode of her favorite tv show, made a Twitter post after it had happened asking people if they would have sex with trump for money, and the only evidence she had is that she said she told a friend after it happened.

Then she goes on the Rachael Maddow show and does this bizarre interview where she basically brags about what she’s going to do with the money and asks Maddow what she could buy her.

I am not going to continue to argue with you on this. You need to PROVE your point, not just opine on it.
I mean, none of that sounds strange?

Strange is not a legal defense.
He was basically convicted off of the access Hollywood tape, that’s what it was. The jury listened to that tape and determined that, if trump says he grabbed women by the *****, then it’s likely that he abused e Jean Carrol. That’s the case in a nutshell. They took a statement, used one of the lowest bars for conviction and made a conviction out of that. There was never any evidence that he ever had any such encounter with Carroll.

Again, show proof of what you say. All you ever provide is words (meaning opinion).
You’re right, it did follow legal standard, but read the above. The case was never decided on evidence because there wasn’t any. The case was decided on “do you think it’s possible”

You were not one of the judges. You don't know what was proven legally in the court.
How can I be biased? I have no dog in this fight. I couldn’t care less about trump, all I care about is, from the moment Trump came down that escalator, dems vowed to get trump, and everything that has happened since then has been just an extension of that long chain of partisanship going back over 9 years.

You are biased because you are defending Trump WITHOUT providing legal proof of your statements.
I’m not one to support a person, I support the party and the ideology, you could replace Trump with any other candidate and I’d still feel the same.

then it should be EASY to come up with legal facts that support your view.
 
What a load of BS. You yourself stated that SCOTUS should be non-partisan and now YOU are accusing the people that did vote to overturn Roe vs Wade leftists. Could it be the did not agree with the decision because they considered it legally wrong?


More BS from you. It is deflecting because you CAN'T provide those facts


I am not going to continue to argue with you on this. You need to PROVE your point, not just opine on it.


Strange is not a legal defense.


Again, show proof of what you say. All you ever provide is words (meaning opinion).


You were not one of the judges. You don't know what was proven legally in the court.


You are biased because you are defending Trump WITHOUT providing legal proof of your statements.


then it should be EASY to come up with legal facts that support your view.

What a load of BS. You yourself stated that SCOTUS should be non-partisan and now YOU are accusing the people that did vote to overturn Roe vs Wade leftists. Could it be the did not agree with the decision because they considered it legally wrong?

You’re the one who said the ones who voted against it were the democrats….i merely said that, that being the case, did they follow the cotus or not?

We know Dobbs was legally right because of the 10th amendment.

More BS from you. It is deflecting because you CAN'T provide those facts

lol, I have already defended it by telling you to look at the case, and show me what what evidence she presented. I cant give you the answer because you can’t prove a negative. All I can reiterate is, if you think there was evidence, then let us know. I’ve already given you the information, no dna, no witness, no hospital repost, no police report etc. if you have evidence she did these things, then show us. Otherwise, I don’t know what you’re asking for because I can’t prove what didn’t happen….

I am not going to continue to argue with you on this. You need to PROVE your point, not just opine on it.

No dna, no witness, no police report, no hospital report:


The fact that I never went to the police is not surprising for somebody my age,



Trump's lawyer, Joe Tacopina, tried to draw out flaws, that E. Jean Carroll didn't go to the police, didn't go to a doctor, didn't document the attack in her diary, couldn't remember exactly when it occurred

She claimed she had a dress at that time that wasn’t even made yet:


She changed her story:

See above story. She had to changed the date to match the story of wearing the dress which wasn’t made at that time.

Her story was the plot of her favorite tv show:


Her social media post about having sex with trump for money:


She was also asked about a 2012 post in which she asked people whether they would have sex with Trump for $17,000 and could keep their eyes closed during it.
Her appearance on Rachael Maddow asking what she could buy her:




At the 5 minute mark is where she starts talking about going on shopping sprees and asks maddow if she wants a penthouse.

So, there’s your proof, satisfied?

Strange is not a legal defense

Never said it was, I asked if YOU thought it strange that she came to this case with no evidence and all those things I listed.


Access Hollywood tape was used as evidence in the trial:


Evidence included testimony from two friends Carroll spoke to after the incident, a photograph of Carroll with Trump in 1987,[a]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll_v._Donald_J._Trump#cite_note-5testimony from two women who had separately accused Trump of sexual assault, footage from the Trump Access Hollywood tape and his October 2022 deposition.


So that is the “evidence” they had. An access Hollywood tape, and testimony from two friend of Carroll, a photograph and two women to accused Trump of sexual assault. So, accusations and a tape. But no evidence that Trump was ever even at the Bergdorf Goodman that day.

Preponderance of evidence:


Preponderance refers to the evidentiary standard necessary for a victory in a civil case. Proving a proposition by the preponderance of the evidencerequires demonstrating that the proposition is more likely true than not true.

The clear and convincing evidence standard is more rigorous than the preponderance of the evidence standard, and the beyond a reasonable doubtstandard is more rigorous than the clear and convincing evidence standard.

The standard they used was “is it more likely than not to be true”. That is totally a subjective thing based on one’s personal opinion, not factual evidence.

Here’s another example:

preponderance of the evidence
n. the greater weight of the evidence required in a civil (non-criminal) lawsuit for the trier of fact (jury or judge without a jury) to decide in favor of one side or the other. This preponderance is based on the more convincing evidence and its probable truth or accuracy, and not on the amount of evidence. Thus, one clearly knowledgeable witness may provide a preponderance of evidence over a dozen witnesses with hazy testimony, or a signed agreement with definite terms may outweigh opinions or speculation about what the parties intended.

Based on weighting evidence and its PROBABLE truth. Meaning, doesn’t have to be proven fact, just if its likely to have occurred.

In this case, there was no hard evidence, just some statements by some women, a tape and a photograph and they determined that it was MORE LIKLEY they were telling the truth than Trump was.


So again..are you satisfied?
 
You’re the one who said the ones who voted against it were the democrats….i merely said that, that being the case, did they follow the cotus or not?

We know Dobbs was legally right because of the 10th amendment.



lol, I have already defended it by telling you to look at the case, and show me what what evidence she presented. I cant give you the answer because you can’t prove a negative. All I can reiterate is, if you think there was evidence, then let us know. I’ve already given you the information, no dna, no witness, no hospital repost, no police report etc. if you have evidence she did these things, then show us. Otherwise, I don’t know what you’re asking for because I can’t prove what didn’t happen….



No dna, no witness, no police report, no hospital report:








She claimed she had a dress at that time that wasn’t even made yet:


She changed her story:

See above story. She had to changed the date to match the story of wearing the dress which wasn’t made at that time.

Her story was the plot of her favorite tv show:


Her social media post about having sex with trump for money:



Her appearance on Rachael Maddow asking what she could buy her:




At the 5 minute mark is where she starts talking about going on shopping sprees and asks maddow if she wants a penthouse.

So, there’s your proof, satisfied?



Never said it was, I asked if YOU thought it strange that she came to this case with no evidence and all those things I listed.


Access Hollywood tape was used as evidence in the trial:




So that is the “evidence” they had. An access Hollywood tape, and testimony from two friend of Carroll, a photograph and two women to accused Trump of sexual assault. So, accusations and a tape. But no evidence that Trump was ever even at the Bergdorf Goodman that day.

Preponderance of evidence:




The standard they used was “is it more likely than not to be true”. That is totally a subjective thing based on one’s personal opinion, not factual evidence.

Here’s another example:




Based on weighting evidence and its PROBABLE truth. Meaning, doesn’t have to be proven fact, just if its likely to have occurred.

In this case, there was no hard evidence, just some statements by some women, a tape and a photograph and they determined that it was MORE LIKLEY they were telling the truth than Trump was.


So again..are you satisfied?


Then why did Trump lie about not knowing her and that she was not his type?

Carroll herself was the sole source of testimony of the dirty deed, and her testimony came many, many years after the event. If Trump had simply denied this without further comment, that would likely have been the end of it, but instead he called Carroll a liar, claimed he didn’t know her and had never heard of her, and dismissed her as “not my type”, and his bluster opened the door to both a defamation claim and to evidence aimed at Trump’s credibility. Meanwhile, New York changed its laws to allow a window of opportunity to make direct claims for sexual assaults many years after the original statute of limitations might have barred the claims.

When Trump misidentified a photo of Carroll as one of his ex-wife, Marla Maples, he blew away his “not my type” defense, which made him sound creepy anyway - and juries dislike creeps.

The infamous “Access Hollywood” hot mike recording undermined Trump’s defense that he wasn’t the sort of person who would sexually assault someone.



Did Donald Trump rape E. Jean Carroll? Here's what a jury and judge said.
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Having said all of the above, the reality is that a jury of his peers found him guilty. Peers meaning that half of the jury was picked by the defense.

I am not going to continue this conversation because this is history and there is nothing you can do to change it. The reality is that no person in history has been taken to court (over 4000 times) and found guilty of something so many times as Trump (at least 150 times). That, in and of itself, shows what kind of person Trump is and that is highly likely to be guilty of something he is accused of. Simply stated, the man is a criminal.

Whether this or that verdict is wrong or not is of small importance because overall he has the MENTALITY of a criminal.

As far as the SCOTUS thing, lets leave as "We disagree". That too, is not something you or I can decide on. It is what Trump and Vance are saying about women that is important.

End of story. I will not be responding to any other posts of yours on this issue.
 
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There is NO hypocrisy here.

Faulty comparisons made between Trump, Clinton payments

CLAIM: It is a double standard that former President Donald Trump may be indicted over alleged hush money payments to a woman who accused him of sexual encounters, while former President Bill Clinton faced no criminal charges for paying a sexual harassment accuser $850,000.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Clinton and Trump’s cases have key differences, according to legal experts. Clinton’s $850,000 payment to Paula Jones in 1998 settled a civil lawsuit. The payment was public and legal, and the funds did not come from the government, nor did they amount to a campaign contribution. By comparison, the payment in Trump’s case was through a shell company and reimbursed by Trump, whose company logged the reimbursements as legal expenses in the final weeks of his 2016 presidential campaign.
 
The party that likes to **** kids says the best way to protect women is to have 55-year old male truck drivers watch a 9-year old girl pee in the bathroom at Target. Or a male volleyball player spike the ball into a girls face and paralyze her from the neck down. Or put lipstick on the 587th ranked male swimmer and then he gets to crush all the actual girls who have worked their entire life to compete with other women.

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"This is the man that has 26 women accusing him of sexually molesting them (with one attack confirmed in a court of law), was the one that was caught on tape saying "I will grab them by the *****", and was the one that took their rights-to-their-own-bodies away from them (with the repeal of Roe vs Wade)."

"That is the man that says "I will protect the women"? That is the height of Hypocrisy"

It would be difficult to imagine a short posting that is more obviously false and misleading. One wonders whether the OP is stupid, mis-informed, or merely "campaigning" for the Harris-Walz ticket in this forum.

(1). Not one woman has proven that she was "sexually molested" by Donald Trump. The absurd case of the dressing room "rape" is preposterous on its face, and will be emphatically overturned as soon as it reaches an appeals court composed of adults.

(2). Donald Trump never said what is quoted above. Why lie about it? He was, in a private conversation, explaining the privileges of fame and wealth to an admiring journalist, and as an absurd illustration, said that, in effect, a rich powerful person could grab a woman by her private parts, with impunity. It is interesting in the extreme that of all the scores of lying ***** who have accused Trump of all manner of sexual indiscretions, not a single one of them has accused him of that particular assault.

(3). The essence of the abortion debate is precisely that a fetus is not just part of a woman's body, especially after it has arguably reached the point of viability. It has its own DNA, its own gender, in very short order it has a beating heart, a functioning brain, and so on. The reason why the Left couches its "arguments" in the premise that the fetus is just part of a woman's body is because it is an ARGUMENT supporting their ridiculous biological position.

(4). As anyone with even a passing familiarity with the actual Constitution knows, the case of Roe v Wade was a Constitutional abomination that was destined to be overturned from the moment the ink dried on the published opinion. It was merely the ramblings of a deluded SC Justice who wrote what he would have put into the Constitution if he himself had written it. It took Donald Trump to appoint enough justices to right the sinking ship by sticking to the actual Constitution and not the Leftist dream of what the Constitution should have said.

(5). Donald Trump promises to again be a strong advocate for women's health, which is manifestly not the same as supporting the killing of babies in women's wombs.
 
Let those 26 bring forward proof of his crimes.

they cannot due to the statute of limitations.

The one that did go to court, well, my thoughts are clear on that, she had zero proof.

false. she had a preponderance of evidence, so much so - that a 12 person jury agreed that donny is an adjudicated rapist.


He didn’t say “I WILL grab them..” , he said “I just grab them..”. just a clarification to the words he spoke.

he vomited those words.

In regards to roe, are you or are you not in agreement with the cotus?

what's cotus?
 
Bottom line is that he was found guilty in a court of law by his peers.

Same thing



You are not in agreement with what the SCOTUS decided 52 years ago? Why would this SCOTUS change what THAT SCOTUS decided. Could it be because this SCOTUS is political and not impartial?

Oh and by the way, why is it that with Trump, excuses always have to be made for his actions?

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All of the democrat justices dissented in Dobbs. This makes me question if they were really thinking about the case through the lens of the constitution, or political views.

Just a reminder that the majority opinion in Roe v. Wade was written by a lifelong Republican​

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Roe vs. Wade was decided with a 7-2 vote, and not along partisan lines. Those who ruled in favor were as follows, with the president who nominated them and the party of that president indicated in parentheses:
  • Harry Blackmun (Nixon, R)
  • Lewis Powell (Nixon, R)
  • Warren Burger (Nixon, R)
  • William Brennan (Eisenhower, R)
  • Potter Stewart (Eisenhower, R)
  • Thurgood Marshall (LBJ, D)
  • William Douglas (FDR, D)
Those who dissented on Roe vs. Wade:
  • Byron White (Kennedy, D)
  • William Rehnquist (Nixon, R)
So five Republican-nominated justices and two Democrat-nominated justices ruled for choice, while one Republican and one Democrat-nominated justice ruled against.

A lifelong Republican justice, Harry Blackmun, wrote the majority opinion in the case, which basically stated that state laws that unduly restrict abortion were unconstitutional—not specifically because a woman had a right to choose to have an abortion, but because of a the right to privacy under the 14th amendment.
Just a reminder that the majority opinion in Roe v. Wade was written by a lifelong Republican

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Then why did Trump lie about not knowing her and that she was not his type?

Carroll herself was the sole source of testimony of the dirty deed, and her testimony came many, many years after the event. If Trump had simply denied this without further comment, that would likely have been the end of it, but instead he called Carroll a liar, claimed he didn’t know her and had never heard of her, and dismissed her as “not my type”, and his bluster opened the door to both a defamation claim and to evidence aimed at Trump’s credibility. Meanwhile, New York changed its laws to allow a window of opportunity to make direct claims for sexual assaults many years after the original statute of limitations might have barred the claims.

When Trump misidentified a photo of Carroll as one of his ex-wife, Marla Maples, he blew away his “not my type” defense, which made him sound creepy anyway - and juries dislike creeps.

The infamous “Access Hollywood” hot mike recording undermined Trump’s defense that he wasn’t the sort of person who would sexually assault someone.



Did Donald Trump rape E. Jean Carroll? Here's what a jury and judge said.
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Having said all of the above, the reality is that a jury of his peers found him guilty. Peers meaning that half of the jury was picked by the defense.

I am not going to continue this conversation because this is history and there is nothing you can do to change it. The reality is that no person in history has been taken to court (over 4000 times) and found guilty of something so many times as Trump (at least 150 times). That, in and of itself, shows what kind of person Trump is and that is highly likely to be guilty of something he is accused of. Simply stated, the man is a criminal.

Whether this or that verdict is wrong or not is of small importance because overall he has the MENTALITY of a criminal.

As far as the SCOTUS thing, lets leave as "We disagree". That too, is not something you or I can decide on. It is what Trump and Vance are saying about women that is important.

End of story. I will not be responding to any other posts of yours on this issue.


End of story. I will not be responding to any other posts of yours on this issue.

lol, so i provide the proof you ask for and now you’re just going to check out? Wow..

I’ll answer your questions anyway.

Then why did Trump lie about not knowing her and that she was not his type?

Maybe he met her and even spoke with her, that doesn’t mean he knows her. Also, this happened back in the 90’s. He probably didn’t remember her. That would be a testament to the fact that he doesn’t KNOW her. He’s probably met and talked to many people…but he doesn’t know them.

Carroll herself was the sole source of testimony of the dirty deed, and her testimony came many, many years after the event

Correct, and she couldn’t remember dates and details from the event.

but instead he called Carroll a liar, claimed he didn’t know her and had never heard of her, and dismissed her as “not my type”, and his bluster opened the door to both a defamation claim and to evidence aimed at Trump’s credibility.

No, Carroll brought the defamation on herself when she accused someone of rape and couldn’t prove it. Then when trump denied the claim (as any person would do), she called it defamation. As if her making the allegation was supposed to be taken as true and trump was not allowed to deny it. Even after he was convicted, he can still deny it because he says it never happened. Just because the jury found him guilty in a shallow evidentiary statute doesn’t mean he has to agree with it. He still claims his innocence. If you are convicted but you maintain you are innocent, that doesn’t mean you have to stop proclaiming your innocence. That would be silly.


Meanwhile, New York changed its laws to allow a window of opportunity to make direct claims for sexual assaults many years after the original statute of limitations might have barred the claims.

I know, that was awfully convenient of that to happen right around the time Trump was running for re election, and the time Carroll decided to come forward…..

The infamous “Access Hollywood” hot mike recording undermined Trump’s defense that he wasn’t the sort of person who would sexually assault someone.

It doesn’t prove he did sexually assault anyone either. Also, if you listen to the tape, I don’t believe he was talking about sexual assault, he said “they let you”. I think that was in reference to women being more “open” with men of wealth.

Having said all of the above, the reality is that a jury of his peers found him guilty. Peers meaning that half of the jury was picked by the defense.

Technically they found him “liable”

If it goes to the Supreme Court, it should be overturned. The amount was ridiculous anyway. She sued for $5 million and $83 million. At that time, her net worth was only 2 million…so where does she get that trump did 83 million in damages? It’s not like she would ever make that much anyway.

So, I would try and give Carroll the benefit of the doubt, after all, part of me thinks “why would she risk this if it weren’t true”, the problem with that is, is there is just too much strangeness around the case.

Also, it doesn’t help her story that she made the claim in a boom she wrote, not by going to the press, and what’s more juicy to entice people to buy your book that to make it a public spectacle.

Also, there’s the claim that this whole thing was hatched and planned…

The reality is that no person in history has been taken to court (over 4000 times) and found guilty of something so many times as Trump (at least 150 times). That, in and of itself, shows what kind of person Trump is and that is highly likely to be guilty of something he is accused of. Simply stated, the man is a crimina
Sued 4000 times? You mean his businesses have been involved in over 4000 legal cases. That’s probably typical for a business like his.

Still, none of that proves he did anything to Carroll.

Whether this or that verdict is wrong or not is of small importance because overall he has the MENTALITY of a criminal

Really? You’re saying because someone may be a criminal, the law and verdicts and justice don’t matter? Really?

It’s your opinion he’s a criminal. Remember, all these lawsuits are brought on by a vengeful liberal party bent on “getting trump”


End of story. I will not be responding to any other posts of yours on this issue.

So after all this, me providing the proof you asked for, you’re just going to eject with basically an “I’m right and I’m not going to talk to you anymore” kind of approach?

Hmm..well, okie dokie..

But if you do read this, I’ve provided the proof of why I think he might not be guilty. Let’s see your proof that he is guilty.
 
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