Zone1 The Great Difficulty Of Being Religious.....

[Donald H]

And then you make a religion out of it and preach it on this forum.

Nope, no religion in atheism. You can ignore it or you can carefully consider it and learn!

We're friendly and we won't try to get under your bed and bite off your toes!

 

[Donald H]

Here we get into God's Perfect/Sovereign will and God's permissive will. The first deals with God's plan of salvation and end plans. The second, God permits free will, natural events, things of that nature.

The great difficulty for people like you of above average intelligence, is that you're compelled to argue for 'creation' when you know that evolution is the true story and creation is a basket full of lies. Very silly lies!

Ding found his way around that problem temporarily, by turning to claims that it was mostly allegory, but he couldn't keep it together with his conscience for more than a couple of days.

 

[Meriweather]

you're compelled to argue for 'creation' when you know that evolution is the true story and creation is a basket full of lies.

The difference is not seeing element of creation in evolution. I see similarities in art. Any watercolor I attempt does not appear on paper in its completed form. It evolves brush stroke by brush stroke. Yet it is still a creation.

 

[Woodznutz]

Both Catholic and Judaism encourage personal study based on scholarly study. Where many Protestant churches differ is that each individual can decide for him/herself what a scripture verse means. They often say this is between each individual and the Holy Spirit and there is no need to study the original language(s), Biblical history and culture, or the words/writings of early Church Fathers.

The KJV has a direct link to the original languages through Strong's Concordance. Many Protestant churches prefer the KJV for this reason although modern versions are also used. Verse by verse comparisons of many versions are also available on online study sites.

 

[Woodznutz]

The great difficulty for people like you of above average intelligence, is that you're compelled to argue for 'creation' when you know that evolution is the true story and creation is a basket full of lies. Very silly lies!

Evolution sounds plausible until you look at the evidence. That's why evolutionists always direct you to their writings rather than to anatomy studies. Anatomy studies, whether of man or animals renders evolution to "very silly lies". Two phrases that never belong together: the theory of evolution, and critical thinking.

 

[Woodznutz]

Nope, no religion in atheism. You can ignore it or you can carefully consider it and learn!

We're friendly and we won't try to get under your bed and bite off your toes!

Christians have a Biblical obligation to share the gospel message. Where do atheists get their mandate?

 

[Meriweather]

The KJV has a direct link to the original languages through Strong's Concordance. Many Protestant churches prefer the KJV for this reason although modern versions are also used. Verse by verse comparisons of many versions are also available on online study sites.

Now that the Internet also provides great sources, I tend to use the primary sources of the Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek languages.

 

[ding]

Nope, no religion in atheism.

Your attacking rival religions says otherwise. You're one of the top five religious nutjobs on this board.

 

[DGS49]

FAITH, like a lot of other things, is a matter of choice, and not some wonderful "thing" that one gets from a higher power. You CHOOSE to either live in a world where life has meaning or in one where it does not. You choose to live in a universe where a virtuous life is rewarded after death and an evil life is punished after death (or extinguished), because it is clear that life on earth is patently unfair. And once you choose to live a life of meaning, you choose the idiom that suits your personalty and resonates for you. I was raised in Roman Catholicism and am glad of it. While it has suffered from problems in the past and is not perfect now, it is - to coin a phrase - the worst possible religion, except for all the others. Most religions are provable bunkum, a fact which their adherents simply refuse to accept. My favorites for debunking are Islam and LDS - just my choice.

Socialism is clearly called out by Christ for his followers, sharing their stuff not only within the community, but also with outsiders. The point is that socialism only works when it is voluntary, e.g., in a monastery or convent, but never when it is compulsory. When imposed by the state it invariably leads to corruption, use of excessive force, sloth, and moral decay. Look at the Soviet Union and how its "graduates" continue to live their lives.

Both Evolution and Atheism can be characterized as sorts of religion. They believe things that cannot be proven; they have their own collection of "sins"' they attack "heretics" and skeptics, and usually their proponents refuse to, or cannot, support them with facts and logic. Neither one can explain the existence of life on earth. It just "happened," is their explanation. Not very scientific, if you ask me.

 

[Donald H]

Your attacking rival religions says otherwise. You're one of the top five religious nutjobs on this board.

The religious being all nutjobs is a bit over the top I think.

Rather, they were indoctrinated as innocent children into the faith.

 

[Donald H]

Christians have a Biblical obligation to share the gospel message. Where do atheists get their mandate?

I've already told you that atheists have only one thing in common.

My personal mandate is compassion for innocent children and for adults being pranked out of their money.

 

[Donald H]

Evolution sounds plausible until you look at the evidence. That's why evolutionists always direct you to their writings rather than to anatomy studies. Anatomy studies, whether of man or animals renders evolution to "very silly lies". Two phrases that never belong together: the theory of evolution, and critical thinking.

Do you have proof of the god in your anatomy studies?

 

[Donald H]

The difference is not seeing element of creation in evolution.

seeing an element?

I understand. You;re accepting evolution and substituting artistic creation for the mythical creation. I hope it brings you peace of mind.

But once bitten with the truths of evolution ................................

 

[Meriweather]

I understand.

No. You don't understand. And I'm not sure it is possible for you to understand considering the circle you are orbiting.

 

[Donald H]

No. You don't understand. And I'm not sure it is possible for you to understand considering the circle you are orbiting.

Alright then, maybe I don't understand your personal feelings, but there's no way of mistaking that you've accepted evolution.

We both see evolution but you see an element of 'creation' in evolution, while I don't.

You, Ding, and I cleared the evolution bar in our discussions months ago.. It's alright! It's exactly what is intended by the Catholic church.

It's directly from the Catechisms.

 

[Donald H]

No. You don't understand. And I'm not sure it is possible for you to understand considering the circle you are orbiting.

Contrary to Popular Belief: The Catholic Church Has No Quarrel With Evolution and Never Condemned It

Stephen Barr on scientific theory.

churchlifejournal.nd.edu

It's o.k.

It's o.k.

 

[Meriweather]

Alright then, maybe I don't understand your personal feelings, but there's no way of mistaking that you've accepted evolution.

We both see evolution but you see an element of 'creation' in evolution, while I don't.

You, Ding, and I cleared the evolution bar in our discussions months ago.. It's alright! It's exactly what is intended by the Catholic church.

It's directly from the Catechisms.

What you cannot seem to understand is that science has little--even nothing--to do with religion. Religion is a philosophy that centers around choosing personal behaviors for living the best possible life and creating the best possible version of oneself.

In philosophy, it matters not a whit if the earth revolves around the sun, or the sun revolves around the earth. It matters not a whit if the humans of today were created six thousand years ago in the blink of an eye or if the humans of today evolved over billions of years. Figuring that out is not our primary purpose, though it is an interesting side bar for some just like climbing Mt. Everest is an interesting sidebar for others.

For me, evolution holds much less interest for me than caring for chinchillas. On the other hand, caring for chinchillas come in a far distant second to me--a spiritual being--building and creating the best possible earthly life and personal version of myself.

Until you understand that evolution is of little interest to me or has ever been to the Catholic faith/philosophy, there is nothing for the two of us to discuss. You will travel on to science forums about evolution and I'll continue to browse philosophical forums and sites.

 

[Woodznutz]

I've already told you that atheists have only one thing in common.

My personal mandate is compassion for innocent children and for adults being pranked out of their money.

So, your 'ministry' is to cause those who are weak in the faith to stumble.

I won't stand near you during a thunderstorm.

 

[Donald H]

What you cannot seem to understand is that science has little--even nothing--to do with religion. Religion is a philosophy that centers around choosing personal behaviors for living the best possible life and creating the best possible version of oneself.

I really do understand my friend. The Catechism in question was created and adopted by the C.C for that expressed reason. But I don't even have to understand. They do! Your words prove that you do too.

In philosophy, it matters not a whit if the earth revolves around the sun, or the sun revolves around the earth. It matters not a whit if the humans of today were created six thousand years ago in the blink of an eye or if the humans of today evolved over billions of years. Figuring that out is not our primary purpose, though it is an interesting side bar for some just like climbing Mt. Everest is an interesting sidebar for others.

Then keep the two beliefs, allegory and literal truth separate. When challenged with no acceptance of the bible being not literally true, don't turn to allegorical excuses to excuse it.

For me, evolution holds much less interest for me than caring for chinchillas.

I don't doubt that you would say that. In my opinion, your feigned rejection of evolution has become your mission on this board.

On the other hand, caring for chinchillas come in a far distant second to me--a spiritual being--building and creating the best possible earthly life and personal version of myself.

The more you say about Chinchillas, the more is revealed about your mission. The attraction you offer me is that you don't fear discussion most of the time

Until you understand that evolution is of little interest to me or has ever been to the Catholic faith/philosophy, there is nothing for the two of us to discuss. You will travel on to science forums about evolution and I'll continue to browse philosophical forums and sites.

I'll find something for us to discuss and you won't ignore it.

You will continue to browse 'religion' forums and your interest in Chinchillas will remain in the background. Or continue to not even exist!

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Fwiw, my opinion is that the Catholic church is deeply concerned about evolution's gain to being accepted as an answer to the obvious creation myths. We have the evidence.

 

[Donald H]

So, your 'ministry' is to cause those who are weak in the faith to stumble.

I won't stand near you during a thunderstorm.

Your subconscious mind still wants to believe that the god bring fire and brimstone to non-believers.

But your conscious mind understands very well that it's bullsh-t!