Zone1 The Great Difficulty Of Being Religious.....

[Meriweather]

Each mention of the tree needs to contain information on it being not a literal tree, but the accepted meaning is allegorical.

Eating the tree's fruit can't possibly mean anything explaining the difference between good and evil.

Allegorical references maybe can to only the above average in intelligence.

The point being mankind chose to have the knowledge of both good and evil after being warned against favoring that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Jesus taught obedience was by discerning the will of God and following it. Again, this goes back to Genesis where the will of God was for mankind not to eat the fruit on the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

I'm not seeing an answer here.

Thank you for your time.

 

[Meriweather]

I'm not seeing an answer here.

What answer are you seeking? Jesus pointed to the Commandments and discerning the will of God and following it. What more do you feel is needed?

 

[PoliticalChic]

What answer are you seeking? Jesus pointed to the Commandments and discerning the will of God and following it. What more do you feel is needed?

Look, I have been in discussions where someone who didn't accept Jesus as Messiah pointed out, as I did, the Isaiah quote, specifying what the Jews expect when the Messiah comes, and that clearly it has not happened.

And Matthew quote Jesus as saying He will fulfill Isaiah, the prophets.

I had no answer, nor has anyone I've discussed it with.

See the problem?

 

[Meriweather]

Look, I have been in discussions where someone who didn't accept Jesus as Messiah pointed out, as I did, the Isaiah quote, specifying what the Jews expect when the Messiah comes, and that clearly it has not happened.

And Matthew quote Jesus as saying He will fulfill Isaiah, the prophets.

I had no answer, nor has anyone I've discussed it with.

See the problem?

I think so. You are one who sees The Law including such things as a tailor unwittingly wearing a piece of clothing with a stray needle in it on the Sabbath, breaking the Law (in Jesus' time, the Oral Law). It wasn't written down until a couple of hundreds years later. What else could The Law mean in Jesus' time? Usually, the Ten Commandments, but that could be expanded to include the first five books of the Bible, or sometimes the entire Torah. We've already gone over what Jesus meant (The Ten Commandments and obedience to the will of God.) It seems in your thought, it also included not only the entire Old Testament, but the Oral Law of Jesus' time. Jesus, however, didn't think much of Oral Law (washing hands, healing on the Sabbath, harvesting grains of wheat on the Sabbath when hungry to name a few).

One of the early Church Fathers put Jesus fulfilling all Law this way: Love God and do what you want. Loving God takes one straight back to God's will and the Ten Commandments. It dismisses things like walking around with a needle in your clothes on the Sabbath.

As far as the Jewish Messiah...interesting points on that. If a prophecy is not fulfilled within a few generations, it is usually considered an error or a false prophecy. Herod's Temple, at one time, had been counted as the Third Temple because of all the renovation and rebuilding taking place, which was the source of the great anticipation for the prophesied Messiah as that Messiah was prophesied to come at the time of the third Temple. Then, when Herod's Temple was torn down, there was a bit of back-pedaling occurring. It was pointed out that Temple sacrifice and rites had occurred during all this rebuilding and renovations and Jewish leaders insisted this technically meant Herod's Temple was still the Second Temple since there had been little or no interruption of sacrifices and services.

Hebrew and Aramaic etymology can be tricky. So, you're right, I cannot help you if it is your belief that Jesus meant more than the Commandments and obedience to the will of God when he referenced The Law.

 

[BreezeWood]

What answer are you seeking? Jesus pointed to the Commandments and discerning the will of God and following it. What more do you feel is needed?

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The Great Difficulty Of Being Religious.....​

religion in of itself is the lack of governance, commandments - is its true meaning.

that is the heart for the forgeries and fallacies of the 4th century christian bible - jesus repudiated judaism false commandments claimed by moses that never existed the hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid made by abraham et al -

and taught liberation theology, self determination as the goal granted a&e for their decision for their own determination than servitude, commandments the crucifiers use in all three desert religions for their own purposes than the heavens.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I think so. You are one who sees The Law including such things as a tailor unwittingly wearing a piece of clothing with a stray needle in it on the Sabbath, breaking the Law (in Jesus' time, the Oral Law). It wasn't written down until a couple of hundreds years later. What else could The Law mean in Jesus' time? Usually, the Ten Commandments, but that could be expanded to include the first five books of the Bible, or sometimes the entire Torah. We've already gone over what Jesus meant (The Ten Commandments and obedience to the will of God.) It seems in your thought, it also included not only the entire Old Testament, but the Oral Law of Jesus' time. Jesus, however, didn't think much of Oral Law (washing hands, healing on the Sabbath, harvesting grains of wheat on the Sabbath when hungry to name a few).

One of the early Church Fathers put Jesus fulfilling all Law this way: Love God and do what you want. Loving God takes one straight back to God's will and the Ten Commandments. It dismisses things like walking around with a needle in your clothes on the Sabbath.

As far as the Jewish Messiah...interesting points on that. If a prophecy is not fulfilled within a few generations, it is usually considered an error or a false prophecy. Herod's Temple, at one time, had been counted as the Third Temple because of all the renovation and rebuilding taking place, which was the source of the great anticipation for the prophesied Messiah as that Messiah was prophesied to come at the time of the third Temple. Then, when Herod's Temple was torn down, there was a bit of back-pedaling occurring. It was pointed out that Temple sacrifice and rites had occurred during all this rebuilding and renovations and Jewish leaders insisted this technically meant Herod's Temple was still the Second Temple since there had been little or no interruption of sacrifices and services.

Hebrew and Aramaic etymology can be tricky. So, you're right, I cannot help you if it is your belief that Jesus meant more than the Commandments and obedience to the will of God when he referenced The Law.

Are you afraid to confront the paradox?

Isaiah clearls states requirements for the return of the Messiah.

Jesus Himself agrees that that is his mission.

And no one can argue that that mission has been fulfilled.


Now, if you are saying "just wait,"....OK.....but that is the Jewish answer as well.

 

[PoliticalChic]

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The Great Difficulty Of Being Religious.....​

religion in of itself is the lack of governance, commandments - is its true meaning.

that is the heart for the forgeries and fallacies of the 4th century christian bible - jesus repudiated judaism false commandments claimed by moses that never existed the hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid made by abraham et al -

and taught liberation theology, self determination as the goal granted a&e for their decision for their own determination than servitude, commandments the crucifiers use in all three desert religions for their own purposes than the heavens.

Remember the last time you were right about anything?

Me neither.

In Matthew 5:17, Jesus states, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them".

Here's a breakdown of the verse:

• "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets":
  Jesus is clarifying that his purpose is not to undermine or destroy the teachings of the Old Testament (the Law and the Prophets).
  
  
• "I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them":

 

[Meriweather]

Are you afraid to confront the paradox?

Isaiah clearls states requirements for the return of the Messiah.

Jesus Himself agrees that that is his mission.

And no one can argue that that mission has been fulfilled.


Now, if you are saying "just wait,"....OK.....but that is the Jewish answer as well.

No, that is not what I am saying, for I see no paradox. Let's try this: What is your understanding of Matthew 11:12-13 and/or Luke 16:16-17? Do these relate to what you are speaking of?

The Law and the prophets lasted until John; but from then on the Kingdom of God is proclaimed, and everyone who enters (the kingdom of God) does so with violence. (Luke 16:16)

It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the smallest part of a letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17)

From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent are taking it by force (Matthew 11:12)

For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John (the Baptist). (Matthew 11:13)

 

[PoliticalChic]

No, that is not what I am saying, for I see no paradox. Let's try this: What is your understanding of Matthew 11:12-13 and/or Luke 16:16-17? Do these relate to what you are speaking of?

The Law and the prophets lasted until John; but from then on the Kingdom of God is proclaimed, and everyone who enters (the kingdom of God) does so with violence. (Luke 16:16)

It is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the smallest part of a letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17)

From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent are taking it by force (Matthew 11:12)

For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John (the Baptist). (Matthew 11:13)

" for I see no paradox"

I guess you see only what you want to see.


It is clear that the New Testament quote doesn't fit with the claim by the Prophet.


Please don't treat me like I'm stupid.

 

[Meriweather]

It is clear that the New Testament quote doesn't fit with the claim by the Prophet.

Hmm.

 

[BreezeWood]

In Matthew 5:17, Jesus states, "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them".

Here's a breakdown of the verse:

never spoken by jesus ...

the verse is a forgery written by the crucifiers to disguise the true intent as for its purpose the 1st century events - refutation of judaism their false commandments made by moses, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid claimed by abraham et al.

- as taught during that time the heavenly goal to triumph over evil by jesus through liberation theology, self determination to free their spirit to be judged for admission to the everlasting.

 

[PoliticalChic]

never spoken by jesus ...

the verse is a forgery written by the crucifiers to disguise the true intent as for its purpose the 1st century events - refutation of judaism their false commandments made by moses, hereditary idolatry, religion of apartheid claimed by abraham et al.

- as taught during that time the heavenly goal to triumph over evil by jesus through liberation theology, self determination to free their spirit to be judged for admission to the everlasting.

It's truly a gift to hear this from an eye witness.

 

[Crepitus]

The Great Difficulty Of Being Religious.....​

The hypocrisy?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The hypocrisy?

Try to stick to words you are able to define, and understand.


I realize that that would leave you mute......but that's not a bad thing.

 

[Mashmont]

The great difficulty of being religious has become the impossibility of believing the bibles are literally true, and the backslidiing of the Catholic church into accepting it as just allegorical tales.

This has resulted in the final death blow to Christianity that is the CC accepting Darwinian evolution!

All the trolling our Chicy can invent isn't going to change the minds of the CC's very wealthy pedophiles.

Nor can it save the souls of the altar boys whose lives have been sacrificed by priests.

If atheists have all the answers, why are almost all crimes committed by non-churchgoers? Why do atheists lead all belief groups in addiction, broken relationships, and suicides? Why are officially atheist governments always the most brutal in history?

 

[PoliticalChic]

If atheists have all the answers, why are almost all crimes committed by non-churchgoers? Why do atheists lead all belief groups in addiction, broken relationships, and suicides? Why are officially atheist governments always the most brutal in history?

Try to remember that you are posting to a Marxist, a Devil worshipper, whose avocation is attacking religion and believers.

 

[Donald H]

If atheists have all the answers, why are almost all crimes committed by non-churchgoers? Why do atheists lead all belief groups in addiction, broken relationships, and suicides? Why are officially atheist governments always the most brutal in history?

It turned out to be Christians committing more crimes than atheists!

I'm not asking you why, I already know why.

 

[PoliticalChic]

It turned out to be Christians committing more crimes than atheists!

I'm not asking you why, I already know why.

Caught you lying again.

"Over the past 100 years the most oppressive ideology in the world has been communism [Marxism]. While the people who lived under it were starved, tortured and murdered, its leaders lived in luxury.
The suppression of ordinary people by their communist rulers far surpasses anything capitalist employers were ever accused of doing. While condemning exploitation, communist dictators turned out to be masters at it.

a. R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the governments in the countries where they lived. Hate on the Left

Some people blame organized religion for most of history's killings. It is also sometimes claimed that more people have been killed in the name of Christ than for any other reason.



The total number of deaths estimated to lie at the feet of humanity's poor practice of Christianity is approximately 17 million. This number would include ancient wars, the Crusades, the Inquisitions, various European wars during the Middle Ages, and witchcraft trials.

Isn't religion to blame for most of history's killings?

www.provethebible.net

In your face, booooyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

 

[Donald H]

Caught you lying again.

Are Prisoners Less Likely To Be Atheists?

Dear Mona, I recently read an article that said most of the prison population is religious while there are very few atheists in prison. Please tell if this is t…

fivethirtyeight.com

Prison population:

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[th]

RELIGION​

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[th]

PRISON POP.​

[/th][th]

GENERAL POP.​

[/th]​

[/TR] [td]Protestant[/td]

[td]

28.7%​

[/td][td]

44.0%​

[/td]​

[td]Catholic[/td]

[td]

24.0​

[/td][td]

25.1​

[/td]​

[td]Muslim[/td]

[td]

8.4​

[/td][td]

0.6​

[/td]​

[td]Native American[/td]

[td]

3.1​

[/td][td]

0.1​

[/td]​

[td]Pagan[/td]

[td]

2.0​

[/td][td]

0.1​

[/td]​

[td]Jewish[/td]

[td]

1.7​

[/td][td]

1.2​

[/td]​

[td]Churches of Christ[/td]

[td]

1.5​

[/td][td]

0.8​

[/td]​

[td]Buddhist[/td]

[td]

1.0​

[/td][td]

0.5​

[/td]​

[td]Jehovah’s Witness[/td]

[td]

0.7​

[/td][td]

0.8​

[/td]​

[td]Seventh Day Adventist[/td]

[td]

0.3​

[/td][td]

0.4​

[/td]​

[td]Mormon[/td]

[td]

0.3​

[/td][td]

1.4​

[/td]​

[td]Eastern Orthodox[/td]

[td]

0.2​

[/td][td]

0.4​

[/td]​

[td]Apostolic[/td]

[td]

0.2​

[/td][td]

0.4​

[/td]​

[td]Hindu[/td]

[td]

0.1​

[/td][td]

0.3​

[/td]​

[td]Atheist[/td]

[td]

0.1​

[/td][td]

0.7​

[/td]​

[td]Pentecostal[/td]

[td]

0.1​

[/td][td]

2.4​

[/td]​

[td]Sikh[/td]