Zone1 The Great Difficulty Of Being Religious.....

[Meriweather]

The second absurdity is that if Jehovah could tell them it was evil to eat the fruit, He could tell them everything else that was good or evil. So Eve, if she had been a believable character instead of a cartoon, would have told Satan. "Why would I want to eat it? I already know which is good or evil, because this voice in my head I call "God" always tells me what's good and what isn't."

Are you saying you can write a better version of the Adam and Eve story?

I go back to the etymology. In Hebrew, Adam can be the name of a man, or it can describe all of humanity. In Hebrew, the woman, Eve, is described as one who brings life to the world. All of this is stated before the Fall.

Hebrew etymology for Eden is a place of pleasure and delicacies. Another word for a place of this description is Paradise I haven't been able to research much about it, but the flaming sword of the Cherubim that guarded the Tree after the Fall, can suggest illusion.

The story is written so simply a child can understand the story, but also has so much depth that adult understanding reaches a higher level.

Can your revision improve on this?

 

[Woodznutz]

Logos Has No Logic

Refuted by the fact that A&E couldn't have known that they would be doing an evil thing if they ate from that tree, because before they did, they had no knowledge of what is good and what is evil.

Exactly. Just as Lucifer didn't know he (it) was committing a sin until God deemed it a sin. Eve's sin was a reenactment of Lucifer's sin. What Lucifer's sin did to first Eden Eve's sin did to the second.

 

[Woodznutz]

We're Descended from a Bimbo and a Horndog

The second absurdity is that if Jehovah could tell them it was evil to eat the fruit, He could tell them everything else that was good or evil. So Eve, if she had been a believable character instead of a cartoon, would have told Satan. "Why would I want to eat it? I already know which is good or evil, because this voice in my head I call "God" always tells me what's good and what isn't."

Eve had no concept of good and evil until she ate the fruit. Only then were her eyes opened. God said not to eat the fruit, but she saw no reason not to. She had no moral code within her at the time.

My brother told me about an incident with his 4-year-old son. They had found duck's next with eggs. My brother told his son that he cannot disturb the nest and led him away. As soon as his back was turned his son raced back to the nest and would have picked up the eggs if his father hadn't stopped him. Eve was just as childlike. She couldn't conceive of denying herself that which attracted her regardless of God's instruction.

 

[fncceo]

And then believing your fairy tales are more believable than others.

I have CCTV of those damn elves making the shoes.

 

[rightwinger]

Evolution sounds plausible until you look at the evidence. That's why evolutionists always direct you to their writings rather than to anatomy studies. Anatomy studies, whether of man or animals renders evolution to "very silly lies". Two phrases that never belong together: the theory of evolution, and critical thinking.

 

[BreezeWood]

FAITH, like a lot of other things, is a matter of choice, and not some wonderful "thing" that one gets from a higher power. You CHOOSE to either live in a world where life has meaning or in one where it does not.

no, you then proceed to a declarative statement that is the opposite for your initial claim that in fact is not a matter of choice.

- faith is the unknown brought to fruition by perseverance ...

columbus had faith in land across the void - their faith brought them to the discovery they found.

faith without fruition then becomes a delusion - the present self made delusions of the desert dwellers of any heavenly personifications they claim is in fact all they ever have had and will never be verified as anything but fantasy, all three of their desert bibles.

 

[BreezeWood]

Are you saying you can write a better version of the Adam and Eve story?

all is no less or better than the lies of moses ... called the truth - than followers of the serpent.

 

[Trickster]

Are you saying you can write a better version of the Adam and Eve story?

I mean... Let's be real, it is kind of lame. Not to mention the moral teachings of it are awful -- knowledge is bad, sex is bad and because Eve was curious on knowledge and her and Adam got a little horny, all of humanity has to suffer for all eternity.

The story is anti-life and anti-man.

 

[Trickster]

all is no less or better than the lies of moses ... called the truth - than followers of the serpent.

I am going to be honest here and say Joseph Smith managed to wrlte a better version.

 

[Meriweather]

I mean... Let's be real, it is kind of lame. Not to mention the moral teachings of it are awful -- knowledge is bad, sex is bad and because Eve was curious on knowledge and her and Adam got a little horny, all of humanity has to suffer for all eternity.

The story is anti-life and anti-man.

Genesis Chapter 1 gives the instructions for mankind to be fertile and multiply. Chapter 3 does not reverse this teaching, and mankind continued with being fertile and multiplying--or, as you say it, continued to be horny.

Going back to Hebrew etymology: This story can be read two ways. For children, a story about a man and a woman. For adults, the story of mankind where Adam was the first tribe. After the Fall the tribe grew to the point that two new tribes emerged from the first--that of Cain and that of Abel. The children's story: Cain killed Abel. For the adults it called to mind the first war between mankind over land, where Cain (the farmers) slaughtered Abel (the shepherds)--most likely because the sheep were eating crops cultivated by the other tribe.

There is another little detail that emerges from Biblical man. Knowledge was not bad, and that because the tree of knowledge of good and evil, it was meant to (eventually) be consumed by mankind. A tradition had arisen for all fruit trees, that fruit from the first year was discarded. It was said this is because the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil was not yet ready to be eaten. Eve and Adam had jumped the gun (so-to-speak).

Sex, in and of itself, was not bad, it was good. However what was bad for the community (and it was pointed to in weakened, failing nations) was undisciplined sexual activity.

Consider this: Genesis was the story of mankind, written for mankind. Today, would we eschew the knowledge of good and evil? We would not. Today, do we want the kind of sex we want, whenever we want it? Yes, we do. Today, do we still want land to be used the way we find most profitable for us to use it? Yes, we do--and we fight wars over it.

Our ancestors wrote a story because like all parents, they wanted their children to learn from their mistakes. A final thought: how many pre-teens and teens play around with their knowledge of what is not good (evil) before they are truly ready to understand the repercussions?

What say you: Is the account truly lame, or did our forefathers have a wisdom to relay to their descendants?

 

[Trickster]

Genesis Chapter 1 gives the instructions for mankind to be fertile and multiply. Chapter 3 does not reverse this teaching, and mankind continued with being fertile and multiplying--or, as you say it, continued to be horny.

Going back to Hebrew etymology: This story can be read two ways. For children, a story about a man and a woman. For adults, the story of mankind where Adam was the first tribe. After the Fall the tribe grew to the point that two new tribes emerged from the first--that of Cain and that of Abel. The children's story: Cain killed Abel. For the adults it called to mind the first war between mankind over land, where Cain (the farmers) slaughtered Abel (the shepherds)--most likely because the sheep were eating crops cultivated by the other tribe.

There is another little detail that emerges from Biblical man. Knowledge was not bad, and that because the tree of knowledge of good and evil, it was meant to (eventually) be consumed by mankind. A tradition had arisen for all fruit trees, that fruit from the first year was discarded. It was said this is because the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil was not yet ready to be eaten. Eve and Adam had jumped the gun (so-to-speak).

Sex, in and of itself, was not bad, it was good. However what was bad for the community (and it was pointed to in weakened, failing nations) was undisciplined sexual activity.

Consider this: Genesis was the story of mankind, written for mankind. Today, would we eschew the knowledge of good and evil? We would not. Today, do we want the kind of sex we want, whenever we want it? Yes, we do. Today, do we still want land to be used the way we find most profitable for us to use it? Yes, we do--and we fight wars over it.

Our ancestors wrote a story because like all parents, they wanted their children to learn from their mistakes. A final thought: how many pre-teens and teens play around with their knowledge of what is not good (evil) before they are truly ready to understand the repercussions?

What say you: Is the account truly lame, or did our forefathers have a wisdom to relay to their descendants?

I have to say it is still very lame. With these tryhard explanations it even turns cringe making it all even lamer.

Definitely the silliest of all Biblical stories.

 

[Meriweather]

I have to say it is still very lame. With these tryhard explanations it even turns cringe making it all even lamer.

Definitely the silliest of all Biblical stories.

It's a simple story with the intent to inform. Again, how would you edit and present the story?

 

[rightwinger]

Genesis Chapter 1 gives the instructions for mankind to be fertile and multiply. Chapter 3 does not reverse this teaching, and mankind continued with being fertile and multiplying--or, as you say it, continued to be horny.

Going back to Hebrew etymology: This story can be read two ways. For children, a story about a man and a woman. For adults, the story of mankind where Adam was the first tribe. After the Fall the tribe grew to the point that two new tribes emerged from the first--that of Cain and that of Abel. The children's story: Cain killed Abel. For the adults it called to mind the first war between mankind over land, where Cain (the farmers) slaughtered Abel (the shepherds)--most likely because the sheep were eating crops cultivated by the other tribe.

There is another little detail that emerges from Biblical man. Knowledge was not bad, and that because the tree of knowledge of good and evil, it was meant to (eventually) be consumed by mankind. A tradition had arisen for all fruit trees, that fruit from the first year was discarded. It was said this is because the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil was not yet ready to be eaten. Eve and Adam had jumped the gun (so-to-speak).

Sex, in and of itself, was not bad, it was good. However what was bad for the community (and it was pointed to in weakened, failing nations) was undisciplined sexual activity.

Consider this: Genesis was the story of mankind, written for mankind. Today, would we eschew the knowledge of good and evil? We would not. Today, do we want the kind of sex we want, whenever we want it? Yes, we do. Today, do we still want land to be used the way we find most profitable for us to use it? Yes, we do--and we fight wars over it.

Our ancestors wrote a story because like all parents, they wanted their children to learn from their mistakes. A final thought: how many pre-teens and teens play around with their knowledge of what is not good (evil) before they are truly ready to understand the repercussions?

What say you: Is the account truly lame, or did our forefathers have a wisdom to relay to their descendants?

Kind of a silly story to expect adults to believe
Evil serpents and forbidden fruit

Sounds like Harry Potter

 

[Woodznutz]

faith without fruition then becomes a delusion

The truly faithful are rewarded for their faith, not deluded by it. That said even many Christians don't understand what James meant when he said "Faith without works (deeds) is dead." The first works of faith that have rewards are the keeping of the commandments, which basically protects one from the evils of one's own nature and of the greater sinful world.

 

[Meriweather]

Kind of a silly story to expect adults to believe
Evil serpents and forbidden fruit

Sounds like Harry Potter

More like Aesop's fables--the personification of animals in stories. Does that make the lessons presented any less valid?

 

[Woodznutz]

More like Aesop's fables--the personification of animals in stories. Does that make the lessons presented any less valid?

The 'serpent' was fabricated from the "hisslike" whisper of the deceiver. There was no literal snake in the garden. The supporting gross mistranslation of "going on its belly" followed.

 

[Trickster]

Kind of a silly story to expect adults to believe
Evil serpents and forbidden fruit

Sounds like Harry Potter

Hey now. Harry Potter is very inspiring and the author is a brilliant mind and a role model to all.

The Bible however... Not so much.

 

[Meriweather]

The 'serpent' was fabricated from the "hisslike" whisper of the deceiver. There was no literal snake in the garden. The supporting gross mistranslation of "going on its belly" followed.

Not only that, snakes and serpents were commonly known as enemies of man. Many being poisonous, they did not have our best wishes at heart.

 

[Trickster]

The 'serpent' was fabricated from the "hisslike" whisper of the deceiver. There was no literal snake in the garden. The supporting gross mistranslation of "going on its belly" followed.

Yeah and let me guess, "the deceiver", "tbe whisper" and "the garden" are not literal either.

 

[Woodznutz]

Not only that, snakes and serpents were commonly known as enemies of man. Many being poisonous, they did not have our best wishes at heart.

Even today "snake in the grass" is a metaphor for unscrupulous persons.