The Good Narrative Sure Has Shifted in the Last Three Days

[struth]

So “leave” becomes “escape”?

Even were she trying to “escape” the appropriate response is not to shoot her in the head

Yes, being asked to leave becomes escape when the command changes form leave, to get out of your car...since you didn't leave when given the chance

This really isn't a hard concept to grasp, unless of course you want to intentionally ignore reality

 

[toobfreak]

I'd like to see the autopsy. I bet the third shot from behind killed her.

Not sure why you are still mulling this old issue but:

1. Officers are trained to shoot to kill a target, so once firing, they keep shooting until they are sure they got a kill.
2. Muscle memory is often a factor where in a crisis, instrinct takes over and the finger keeps squeezing the trigger. So I have no problem with her still getting hit after beside the officer as her vehicle was still moving.

Car was going 3-4 miles per hour as he stepped out of the way safely.

Her tire spun out on the ice and she drove into him, hit him and lifted him almost throwing him back. He was taken to the hospital for some sort of internal injury. A car is a MASSIVE object: apparently you don't understand that work equals mass times speed, meaning that if you increase mass, you can accomplish the same work going slower, so a car hitting you at 4 mph might still do serious damage.

I think what helped him was he was able to jump back partly out of the way to alleviate some of the impact.

Lastly, the guy was just hit and dragged 150 feet by a car a few months earlier.

Hope that clears up your problem.

 

[task0778]

First, she was an innocent mother who had just dropped her child off to school and got confused in the melee.

She wasn't innocent or confused. Stupid, yes.


She was actually following them and purposely blocked the street, but she was peacefully letting people pass.

Yeah, but she was also trying to impede the ICE operations by making it take longer and more difficult.


She was dancing in her car and openly mocking and antagonizing the agents.

Didn't look like that to me. Mocking and antagonizing? Her partner had that covered.


Then she attempted to do a "K turn" and nobody was ever in front of her vehicle before she was fired upon.

Somebody was in front of her before she was fired on. Whether he was or not when the shooting took place seems to be hard to prove. Looked to me like he coulda moved outta the way though and didn't have to open fire.


Someone was in front of her car and she accelerated, but she NEVER hit him.

Some question about that. Mighta been kinda a glancing impact. I'm not sure she was looking at where she was going when she hit the gas, wasn't she talking to the ICE guy and looking at him as she left?


Oh, wait, she did hit him?

Sorta maybe. I don't think he was in any danger but he mighta thought so. And that right there is the cruz of the thing.


He shouldn't have been there!! It's his fault!!

This wasn't like a dangerous desperado leaving a violent crime scene. IMHO, he was wrong not to get outta the way and she was wrong to try to block traffic in the 1st place and impede an ICE operation in the 2nd place, and then to refuse to comply the agent's order to get outta the car and then to try to leave the scene. I think she just got scared and didn't want to get arrested. Her ***** partner didn't help matters any either.

Too bad the MPD wasn't there, the whole thing might've gone down differently and Renee Good might still be alive today. I think the dipshit Minny mayor owns some blame what happened too.

 

[jc456]

She never hit anyone. Her wheels were turned away from the thug. If he doesn’t shoot her car passes him and no one gets hurt.

she hit the agent. Period.

 

[jc456]

First, she was an innocent mother who had just dropped her child off to school and got confused in the melee.

pure lie. She wasn't even in her own state. people lie like they breath sometimes. wow. when facts won't align, make up a story huh?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

It's incredible how much the narrative has shifted over the last three days. First, she was an innocent mother who had just dropped her child off to school and got confused in the melee. Oh, wait, no she wasn't. She was actually following them and purposely blocked the street, but she was peacefully letting people pass. Oh, wait, that's not really true. She was dancing in her car and openly mocking and antagonizing the agents. Then she attempted to do a "K turn" and nobody was ever in front of her vehicle before she was fired upon. Oh, wait, that's not true either. Someone was in front of her car and she accelerated, but she NEVER hit him. Oh, wait, she did hit him? Well, you know what?? He shouldn't have been there!! It's his fault!!

She made a poor decision and paid the ultimate for it

 

[jc456]

She made a poor decision and paid the ultimate for it

getting involved in someone else's personal matters, got her unalived. She was interfering and obstructing a removal of an illegal.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

getting involved in someone else's personal matters, got her unalived. She was interfering and obstructing a removal of an illegal.

Exactly

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Shooting her outright is a bridge too far even for these guys. They have to wait for any plausible excuse to justify escalating violence to the point of lethal force.

This is just your opinion. While this opinion may or may not have merit it is irrelevant because the fact remains that Good's actions were unlawful and the agent's actions after the fact does not change this.

Although we have seen instances where their justification for using lethal force has been fabricated.

The idea was obstructing them is a reach. What exactly were they prevented from doing?

She was obstructing something. Whether it was ICE operations or just traffic, she was obstructing. Illegally.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Video evidence from the day would indicate that she was not intentionally trying to hit the ICE agent.

As a matter of fact, I don't think she was. But you and I and everyone else have the advantage of hindsight. In that moment, the officers did not.

Monday morning quarterbacking is a fool's game.

Shooting her was deliberate, pointless, reckless and wrong.

Although it may be legal, that doesn’t make it right.

Maybe, maybe not. But she is solely responsible for instigating and escalating the situation.

For me, this is not so much about whether the shooting was justified or not, it's about actions having consequences. In her righteous arrogance she chose to play a dangerous game and she lost.

 

[Marener]

This is just your opinion. While this opinion may or may not have merit it is irrelevant because the fact remains that Good's actions were unlawful and the agent's actions after the fact does not change this.

My opinion is based on the facts and history of other ICE agents. There are several instances of ICE lying about the justification of the use of deadly force.

She was obstructing something. Whether it was ICE operations or just traffic, she was obstructing. Illegally.

There were cars driving in the opposite lane. Saying she was “obstructing” is a stretch. There was nothing preventing ICE from continuing on their mission. This encounter was wholly by choice.

 

[Marener]

As a matter of fact, I don't think she was. But you and I and everyone else have the advantage of hindsight. In that moment, the officers did not.

Monday morning quarterbacking is a fool's game.

Maybe, maybe not. But she is solely responsible for instigating and escalating the situation.

For me, this is not so much about whether the shooting was justified or not, it's about actions having consequences. In her righteous arrogance she chose to play a dangerous game and she lost.

There appears to be two standards.

Actions have consequences for us average citizens.

But law enforcement don’t. After all, we can’t Monday morning quarterback them.

 

[citygator]

Not sure why you are still mulling this old issue but:

1. Officers are trained to shoot to kill a target, so once firing, they keep shooting until they are sure they got a kill.

He was trained not to shoot in that situation. His first shot was against policy and illegal. The third shot was evil as hell since there was no doubt he was safe and it was clear that she wasnt trying to run over him at that point because, he wasnt run over. Then he called her a ******* *****.

1. Muscle memory is often a factor where in a crisis, instrinct takes over and the finger keeps squeezing the trigger. So I have no problem with her still getting hit after beside the officer as her vehicle was still moving.

Who cares what you have a problem with? Triaining and the law say differently but Trump gives zero shits.

Her tire spun out on the ice and she drove into him, hit him and lifted him almost throwing him back.

Not true. Youre blinded by hate. He easily side stepped the slow moving car.

He was taken to the hospital for some sort of internal injury.

He skipped away uninjured. Any report of an injury if a straight up lie.

A car is a MASSIVE object: apparently you don't understand that work equals mass times speed, meaning that if you increase mass, you can accomplish the same work going slower, so a car hitting you at 4 mph might still do serious damage.

I think what helped him was he was able to jump back partly out of the way to alleviate some of the impact.

Lastly, the guy was just hit and dragged 150 feet by a car a few months earlier.

Nope. A 4 mph car can not hurt you as evident by the fact it didnt hurt him and he side stepped the car as per policy then shot the occupant against policy. He should go to jail forever.

 

[Lisa558]

The idea that she was intentionally trying to harm the officer is betrayed by the video, showing her attempting to drive around by first going in reverse and turning to avoid him.

So stop with the lies. DHS loves to lie to suit their agenda. Don’t be a useful idiot.

Second, ICE was not prevented from doing anything. The thugs hide behind “obstruction” to justify their violence against Americans when it untrue. All we want is accountability.

And what we want is for you mixed-up leftists to stop obstructing federal law officers who are attempting to protect us from criminal illegal scum, like the one who killed an INNOCENT woman standing at a bus stop.

 

[Marener]

And what we want is for you mixed-up leftists to stop obstructing federal law officers who are attempting to protect us from criminal illegal scum, like the one who killed an INNOCENT woman standing at a bus stop.

 

[Dragonlady]

Many more need to expire. Your warranty ran out a long time ago. There is a patience that Deplorables do not get.

A true MAGA. Wishing death on everyone who isn't as stupid as you. How are things in Russia these days?

 

[Lesh]

When you lie about basic facts , your entire narrative is bullshit

Then stop doing it

 

[Lesh]

Does it imply that her striking him was malicious?

We could entertain possible implications all day but at the end of the day, her actions were unlawful, deliberate and reckless. She went there purposely to agitate the officers and that is exactly what happened.

So you excuse their actions because they were “agitated”?

I guess that’s why he called her a “******* *****” after blowing her brains out

 

[M14 Shooter]

Then stop doing it

See? All you do is lie.

 

[Lesh]

See? All you do is lie.

All you do is CLAIM others lie