The Good Narrative Sure Has Shifted in the Last Three Days

[Lesh]

^^^ See? This is another way leftists delude themselves. They try to convince themselves that the people who disagree with their radical-left agenda, which includes prioritizing the interests of illegals over those of honest Americans, are “on the fringe.”

Trump WON largely because of the invasion of illegal aliens and his promise to stop the swarm and deport the ones here.

He won because eggs were expensive

 

[M14 Shooter]

Example
You support Trump’s war
Only 27% of America does
You’re on the fringe

Yeah?
Tell us what you think of requiring all voters to show government-issued photo identification to vote.

 

[M14 Shooter]

He won because eggs were expensive

He won because 6 million racist, sexist, misogynist Democrats refused to vote for a colored woman.

 

[IM2]

He won because 6 million racist, sexist, misogynist Democrats refused to vote for a colored woman.

No, he won because 57 percent of whites who chose to vote, picked him.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Sure, but is it too much to ask for some degree of proportionality?

Is it too much to ask that people stop interfering with law enforcement officers while they do their jobs?

I think it was her intention to annoy. Given other cars were freely passing through the other lane, one could hardly say that ICE was prevented from carrying on with their day.

Irrelevant. What she did was unlawful whether it prevented anyone from getting down the street or not.

There's a reason that street is a two-lane one way - to accommodate the volume of traffic that normally passes through there. By the same token, there's a reason she blocked one of those lanes.

Again, traffic was freely flowing in the left lane. We saw cars passing by.

So why did she specifically choose to block a lane?

You act as though ICE’s actions were mandatory. There were many options they had to prevent the kind of escalation that occurred.

There were many options she had to prevent the kind of escalation that occurred.

You said the encounter was "was wholly by choice." That's true. But their intention in encountering her was only to ask her to leave or get out of the vehicle. That's it. Their choice to confront her is not what escalated the situation. Her refusal to comply with their commands and then panicking and trying to flee is what escalated the situation.

Sure. Her choices contributed to the outcome. So did the choices of ICE agents.

Sure, after she hit one of them with her vehicle.

If both sides have blame, only one side had consequences.

If the shooting was justified, is that the officer's fault?

Good did not deserve to die over this but her actions were stupid and reckless and that's what got her killed.

 

[Marener]

Is it too much to ask that people stop interfering with law enforcement officers while they do their jobs?

Answering a question with a question. Yet again, saying it’s interference is a stretch. The amount of actual interference was negligible. A proportional response would be to ignore it.

Irrelevant. What she did was unlawful whether it prevented anyone from getting down the street or not.

Quite relevant. Escalating the situation was unnecessary and unhelpful.

There's a reason that street is a two-lane one way - to accommodate the volume of traffic that normally passes through there. By the same token, there's a reason she blocked one of those lanes.

It’s an old part of town. The streets are wide because it used to be lined by mansions and was a major thoroughfare 80 years ago prior to the interstate system.

As you can see from the video, there is very little to no traffic.

So why did she specifically choose to block a lane?

I can only speculate, and as I stated earlier, to be annoying.

There were many options she had to prevent the kind of escalation that occurred.

Fair.

You said the encounter was "was wholly by choice." That's true. But their intention in encountering her was only to ask her to leave or get out of the vehicle. That's it. Their choice to confront her is not what escalated the situation. Her refusal to comply with their commands and then panicking and trying to flee is what escalated the situation.

Yet again, you act as though ICE had no agency and the only person making choices was Good.

That’s just not true.

Sure, after she hit one of them with her vehicle.

If the shooting was justified, is that the officer's fault?

The shooting may be legally justified but the fact remains is that it was pointless and unnecessary.

Good did not deserve to die over this but her actions were stupid and reckless and that's what got her killed.

Yes. She was reckless and stupid.

ICE was reckless and stupid and they continue to act in a reckless and stupid manner and people continue to get hurt.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Answering a question with a question. Yet again, saying it’s interference is a stretch. The amount of actual interference was negligible.

Irrelevant. I never said how much or to what extent her actions impeded traffic, I only said she did. And doing so was unlawful.

A proportional response would be to ignore it.

Proportional to what, the law? What she did was against the law and any city cop, deputy or trooper would have told her the same goddamn thing: move your ass and your vehicle and stop blocking traffic. If she had not complied then they would have arrested her.

Right up until she hit the gas to run, the ICE officers did not do anything that any other cop wouldn't have done. They would have asked her to move on and if she didn't comply they would have asked her to exit the vehicle. You know this and I know you know it.

So stop dancing around the issue and blowing smoke because we both know you only have a problem with it because it was ICE.

Quite relevant. Escalating the situation was unnecessary and unhelpful.

Yes, it was. Therefore, she should have left when they told her to.

It’s an old part of town. The streets are wide because it used to be lined by mansions and was a major thoroughfare 80 years ago prior to the interstate system.

And apparently it still is. What's your point?

As you can see from the video, there is very little to no traffic.

The traffic was stopped because of her or the ICE vehicles or both. Either way, you can clearly see vehicles massing and collecting down where the ICE vehicles were. The traffic was there, it just wasn't moving. And once again, this is irrelevant because you are not allowed to do that and any officer from any agency would have done the same.

I can only speculate, and as I stated earlier, to be annoying.

Exactly. And why is it annoying? BECAUSE SHE'S BLOCKING TRAFFIC.

Fair.

Yet again, you act as though ICE had no agency and the only person making choices was Good.

I suggested no such thing. Of course they made choices, but their choices were in response to her choices. She initiated the encounter because it was exactly what she wanted to do.

That's what you keep forgetting as you try to downplay the blocking of traffic. She meant to be a pain in their asses and she meant to piss them off and is precisely why she blocked a lane of traffic. You have yet to figure this out for some reason that escapes me or you're just being obtuse.

That’s just not true.

The shooting may be legally justified but the fact remains is that it was pointless and unnecessary.

Yes, it was pointless and unnecessary. We both agree on that. Where we part ways is where you deviate from her accountability for her choices.

Yes. She was reckless and stupid.

ICE was reckless and stupid and they continue to act in a reckless and stupid manner and people continue to get hurt.

To begin with, the only people getting hurt are the ones f***ing with them and interfering with them. Stop doing that and it all stops. Secondly, as I said, right up until she punched the gas, the officers did nothing illegal or outside of procedure. That is a fact and you know it is.

 

[JoeB131]

True, but one was in this country illegally, with a long criminal record and walking around free as a bird because the liberals made Fairfax a sanctuary county.

Except he served time for the crimes he committed.

Or do you think that criminals should serve longer sentences because they aren't white lack documentation?

ICE had six years to pick this guy up and didn't even bother looking for him. They just thought Fairfax County would foot the bill for holding him.

 

[JoeB131]

No, he won because 57 percent of whites who chose to vote, picked him.

Okay, but that was the same percentage of white people who voted for him in 2020. In fact, he got 58% of the white vote.

What really put him over the top was that he improved his standing with Asians and Hispanics, and because minorities of all stripes didn't turn out like they did in 2020.

Oh, yeah, and the Democrats foisted an awful candidate instead of holding primaries or any kind of a contest.

 

[JoeB131]

The point is not whether justice is done or not, the point is that the murderer should not have been in the country at all. Especially after thirty prior arrests and especially after ICE's request that he be detained after those prior arrests.

This murder may very well have been preventable if the border was made more secure, the vetting process more stringent and if certain states and cities would accede to ICE requests that certain criminal aliens are detained.

Except ICE had six years to pick this clown up and didn't.

ICE expects local counties to hold suspects indefinitely while they hash out returns with their countries of origins, who usually don't want them back, either.

 

[JoeB131]

And what we want is for you mixed-up leftists to stop obstructing federal law officers who are attempting to protect us from criminal illegal scum, like the one who killed an INNOCENT woman standing at a bus stop.

So, um, they were protecting us from an undocumented criminal in VA (who they knew about for six years and never bothered to pick up) by shooting a soccer mom in MN?

Okay, so the first thing we need to do is teach these ICE Nazis some Geography.

 

[JoeB131]

An entire lie was made up over that. ^^^

And nice attempt at deflection. I point out that some illegal savage with a criminal record, allowed to roam the streets, killed an innocent woman, and you show me a photo of an illegals alien kid? What does that prove? That SOME of the illegals aren’t harmful?

We need to get every last one of these scofflaws the hell out of our country. The ones who aren’t outright murdering and raping innocent Americans are ruining the school system, lower property values, driving up rents, and suppressing wages.

Um, what is shows is that their priorities are wrong.

The Guy in VA was someone they knew about. They've known about him for six years. They never sent an officer to do pick him up.

But they did spend time picking up this five-year-old and his dad.

 

[JoeB131]

He’s still more irate that someone defying law enforcement and interfering with their operations, and then presenting herself as a lethal threat in possession of a 2000-pound weapon, was killed in self-defense than the innocent, peaceful, law-abiding woman killed by a repeat offender, violent illegal alien while she was waiting for a bus.

Except she wasn't a threat, and if that ICE Jackboot Nazi was in "danger" at all, it was because of his own recklessness.

ICE's own training states you NEVER APPROACH A VEHICLE from the front.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Except ICE had six years to pick this clown up and didn't.

First of all, ICE does not hold, detain or deport illegal immigrants, they round them up and arrest them and turn them over to CBP for processing to deport.

Secondly, ICE issued a detainer in 2020 to local authorities when the guy was arrested not to release him after his time was served. But guess what? They released him.

A detainer is a request to detain the suspect but they didn't. This is why ICE never picked him up.

ICE expects local counties to hold suspects indefinitely while they hash out returns with their countries of origins, who usually don't want them back, either.

CBP handles the deportations, not ICE.

 

[JoeB131]

First of all, ICE does not hold, detain or deport illegal immigrants, they round them up and arrest them and turn them over to CBP for processing to deport.

Secondly, ICE issued a detainer in 2020 to local authorities when the guy was arrested not to release him after his time was served. But guess what? They released him.

A detainer is a request to detain the suspect but they didn't. This is why ICE never picked him up.

Wow, more dishonest argument. "It wasn't the Gestapo that picked up the Jews, it was the Totenkopf Core."

Distinction without a difference.

Hey, here's a crazy idea. If you know he's going to be released on a certain day, you send someone OUT TO PICK HIM UP.

YOu get off your lazy ass and get an arrest warrent for him.

This is a large part of the problem, ICE and CBP expect local jurisdictions to foot the bill for holding undocumented immigrants indefinitely, while they try go get host countries to take them.

Well, back on ignore you go, Stalker-boi.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

Wow, more dishonest argument.

You gotta be ******* me. After all the lies you've told over the years?

I'll pit my integrity against yours any day and twice on Sunday.

"It wasn't the Gestapo that picked up the Jews, it was the Totenkopf Core."

Distinction without a difference.

You said ICE never picked him up but they didn't pick him up because he wasn't detained.

Hey, here's a crazy idea. If you know he's going to be released on a certain day, you send someone OUT TO PICK HIM UP.

First of all, why would ICE know when he's going to be released? Secondly, they were supposed to DETAIN him.

YOu get off your lazy ass and get an arrest warrent for him.

This is a large part of the problem, ICE and CBP expect local jurisdictions to foot the bill for holding undocumented immigrants indefinitely, while they try go get host countries to take them.

I don't give a shit how much the bill is as long as a criminal is off the streets. And if the guy has been arrested thirty times and let go and he stabs a woman to death, the city needs to foot the bill to pay for their **** up.

Well, back on ignore you go, Stalker-boi.

You responded to me you ******* idiot.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't give a shit how much the bill is as long as a criminal is off the streets. And if the guy has been arrested thirty times and let go and he stabs a woman to death, the city needs to foot the bill to pay for their ,,,,,.

Well, I do give a shit.

I give a shit if I have to pay higher taxes in Cook County because they are holding hundreds of undocumented people they can't (and shouldn't) deport because ICE doesn't have any intent to deport them in the next week.

I give a shit if the Cook County Sheriff has to release a dangerous citizen gang-banger to hold onto an undocumented immigrant for ICE.

He didn't stab 30 people. He maybe stabbed two people, for which he went to jail. It was up to ICE/CBP to make sure they picked him up after he was released, or better yet, do the legal stuff to have him deported while he was in jail.

Now he'll probably never be deported, because he'll spend a lifetime in prison. But don't worry, ICE can go after some college students or preschoolers. And racists like you will get your rocks off when they do

 

[berg80]

Right up until she hit the gas to run, the ICE officers did not do anything that any other cop wouldn't have done.

Not only is that a ludicrous assertion, ICE agents didn't have the authority to do what they did.

Why was ICE interacting with Good in the first place?

The question isn’t rhetorical. Video footage shows that she was clearly—at least for a few moments, if not longer—blocking traffic by positioning her car in the middle of the road; furthermore, she was doing so while in the presence of law enforcement vehicles with lights and sirens activated. Such behavior would appear to be a prima facie violation of Minnesota Statute 169.20 §5, a misdemeanor punishable by a $300 fine, and perhaps diversion to a remedial driving school. If a peace officer with the appropriate authority ordered her to move, and she chose not to comply, she also may have been violating Minnesota Statute 169.34 §1(11).

But much of the analysis actually hinges on the phrase “peace officer.” Not all law enforcement agencies are authorized to enforce all statutes; generally speaking, state and local departments enforce state and local laws, while federal officers and agents enforce federal laws and constitutional violations. States can provide exceptions to this general rule by enacting an enabling law granting federal officials the authority to enforce state laws, which confers peace officer status.

Minnesota defines a peace officer as “an employee of a political subdivision [i.e. a local municipality] or state law enforcement agency,” and only grants their federal counterparts arrest authorities for the purposes of state and local violations when a number of conditions are met. The most important of these prerequisites requires that the federal officer be on duty, acting at the request of a local or state officer, and operating pursuant to the supervision of that local or state officer. At this point, neither ICE management nor any executive branch officials have argued that these conditions were met; indeed, the tenor and tone of statements by the Minneapolis mayor and Minnesota governor would certainly suggest otherwise. The proper remedy, then, for Good’s obstruction of traffic would have simply been for the ICE officers to request that local police join in the response and facilitate the movement of her vehicle.

Before and After the Trigger Press That Killed Renee Good

Regardless of whether deadly force was legally justified, Renee Nicole Good’s death was preventable.

www.lawfaremedia.org

 

[j-mac]

No, he won because 57 percent of whites who chose to vote, picked him.

All about skin color…Oh woe is you…

 

[j-mac]

Not only is that a ludicrous assertion, ICE agents didn't have the authority to do what they did.

Why was ICE interacting with Good in the first place?

The question isn’t rhetorical. Video footage shows that she was clearly—at least for a few moments, if not longer—blocking traffic by positioning her car in the middle of the road; furthermore, she was doing so while in the presence of law enforcement vehicles with lights and sirens activated. Such behavior would appear to be a prima facie violation of Minnesota Statute 169.20 §5, a misdemeanor punishable by a $300 fine, and perhaps diversion to a remedial driving school. If a peace officer with the appropriate authority ordered her to move, and she chose not to comply, she also may have been violating Minnesota Statute 169.34 §1(11).

But much of the analysis actually hinges on the phrase “peace officer.” Not all law enforcement agencies are authorized to enforce all statutes; generally speaking, state and local departments enforce state and local laws, while federal officers and agents enforce federal laws and constitutional violations. States can provide exceptions to this general rule by enacting an enabling law granting federal officials the authority to enforce state laws, which confers peace officer status.

Minnesota defines a peace officer as “an employee of a political subdivision [i.e. a local municipality] or state law enforcement agency,” and only grants their federal counterparts arrest authorities for the purposes of state and local violations when a number of conditions are met. The most important of these prerequisites requires that the federal officer be on duty, acting at the request of a local or state officer, and operating pursuant to the supervision of that local or state officer. At this point, neither ICE management nor any executive branch officials have argued that these conditions were met; indeed, the tenor and tone of statements by the Minneapolis mayor and Minnesota governor would certainly suggest otherwise. The proper remedy, then, for Good’s obstruction of traffic would have simply been for the ICE officers to request that local police join in the response and facilitate the movement of her vehicle.

Before and After the Trigger Press That Killed Renee Good

Regardless of whether deadly force was legally justified, Renee Nicole Good’s death was preventable.

www.lawfaremedia.org

Never heard of the supremacy clause I see…