Uncensored2008
Libertarian Radical
Clergy will not be forced to perform marriages by the government, ever, without changing the 1st Amendment.
Try again, lefty.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/20/us/20vermont.html
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Clergy will not be forced to perform marriages by the government, ever, without changing the 1st Amendment.
Sheesh, Uncensored. An inn is not a clergyman. Take the nonsense elsewhere if you can make a point.
Here is where Nosmoking goes off the road. Even if same sex marriage were legal today in all 50 states, the rift would still be there, and the nation would be driven further apart than ever. Same sex couples wouldn't get what they really want which is acceptance of normal behaviorl The fracture would remain, and the nation would be more unstable than ever. It certainly wouldn't mean that we aren't disintegrating, just more evidence that we are and it can't be stopped.
Same sex marriage would become like abortion. We've had abortion for more than 40 years, two generations. There's no indication that we are finding points of compromise and growing closer and stronger as a country.
That's because abortion was forced upon a majority that did not want it, via crooked judges who thought it was AOK to legislate from the bench.
And you're right. the same thing will happen with same sex marriage when it's forced upon a majority that doesn't want it.
Please quote me saying the government forced anyone into having an abortion.
Again, lies.
I said Roe v. Wade forced a LAW upon an unwilling majority. There was a law passed that the majority did not want or approve.
tsk, tsk.
Roe v. Wade isnt a law. Nor was any law forced on anyone.I said Roe v. Wade forced a LAW upon an unwilling majority. There was a law passed that the majority did not want or approve.
Gay marriage being legal isn't forcing you to have a gay marriage or even approve of it.
Marijuana being legal isn't forcing you to use it or approve of others who use it.
You either side with freedom on these issues, or you don't. Me I side with freedom as often as possible, whether they're freedoms I choose to exercise or not. I don't own a gun, can't hit the broadside of a barn, but having gun rights in the United States is incredibly important to me.
When you say killing is "freedom," then you lose all credibility. It isn't "liberty" to pull the arms and legs off of others.
koshergirl, I am your super hero. I will fly to you rescue to prevent anyone
(1) from the government forcing your to have an abortion
(2) from the government forcing you to marry a woman
You are goofy.
When did i say killing is freedom?
Or is this another instance of you being pro-choice, and agreeing with me, but pretending that isn't your stance so that the religious fundamentalists (who view you as a hell-bound heathen) will side with you?
Uncensored,koshergirl, I am your super hero. I will fly to you rescue to prevent anyone
(1) from the government forcing your to have an abortion
(2) from the government forcing you to marry a woman
You are goofy.
Will you fly in a save the fetuses from being forced to have an abortion that I guarantee THEY don't want to have?
The executioner isn't force to cut heads off, so beheadings should be legal - leftist "logic."
Try asking the victim what THEY think of the whole thing.
fakey jake is "pro choice." Rapists CHOOSE to rape victims - I guess fakey jake supports rape, he's "pro choice."
When did i say killing is freedom?
Abortion is the killing of a human.
That is biological fact, irrefutable. You view abortion as the greatest expression of freedom known to mankind. Ergo, you see killing as freedom.
Or is this another instance of you being pro-choice, and agreeing with me, but pretending that isn't your stance so that the religious fundamentalists (who view you as a hell-bound heathen) will side with you?
I am pro-choice. I support choice between cable and dish. I support school choice (do you? most pro-aborts don't!) I support a choice between Coke and Pepsi, between Nvidia and AMD, I'm pro-choice.
I'm also anti-abortion.
I believe in liberty. I believe that a civil society enacts laws to protect the least of us. I believe that we cannot take life without due process. We don't put convicted, mass murderers to death without judicial review. I must condemn putting our children to death without at least the same protections afforded mass murderers.
Uncensored,
Do you believe in smaller less intrusive government? In a government that should not control your personal life?
Do you believe that every individual has a right to his or her own reproductive circumstance?
Do you believe that no government should have the power to tell you when to have children, how many children to have and how best to raise the children you have?
Uncensored, your comments are worthless because they are not grounded in reality.
Of course gays can, especially in California where there is no difference in the method or legality of ending such relationships. They can't access benefits under federal laws.
Which is neither here nor there. At least not for these purposes. The rightness or wrongness of same sex relationships is outside of and a distraction to the larger picture of there being no compromise on the issue no matter how much liberals want to browbeat everyone into acceptance.