Zone1 Four Beliefs of Christian Doctrine - What If Any are Taken Away?

[JustAGuy1]

It just means Mary was a pure vessel to carry the Christ child. You're kind of a dolt.

No, you're a Scriptural illiterate. You realize that you are calling the Scripture a liar?

 

[JustAGuy1]

usually 3 strikes and the batter is out - in this case its 4 fallacies any one of which makes christianity a fake, makebelive religion it somehow, inexplicably survives on the absolute absurdities no person in their right mind would normally ever believe.

rather the true intent of the 1st century events is the repudiation of judaism, false commandments, hereditary idolatry etc as taught by jesus and rather liberation theology, self determination as the true path to the everlasting.

You go ahead and run with that Jethro.

 

[BreezeWood]

You go ahead and run with that Jethro.

explain the inevitability of the concluding scene of the 1st century events ... were they religious or not.

 

[beautress]

Christian doctrine seems to include the following beliefs:
1. Jesus was God in human form (immaculate conception);
2. Jesus performed miracles;
3. Jesus was God's blood sacrifice for our sins; and
4. Jesus physically arose from the dead.

My question is whether someone must accept all of these beliefs in order to be a Christian. What if Jesus was not immaculately conceived? What if He did not perform miracles? What if God did not demand His blood sacrifice? What if He did not physically arise from the dead?

I have always considered myself to be a Christian, but I have serious doubts as to the literal application of these beliefs. For example, how could Jesus be a man if he didn't possess X Chromosomes? From the Creator of the Universe, miracles seem like cheap card tricks. Did the New Testament God of Love really demand a human sacrifice? How would a human body physically ascend to Heaven?

Are all of these beliefs necessary to accept the authority of Christ's teachings?

Dear jwoodie, I taught Sunday School when my 2 children were in First grade and preschool, respectively. Except my church needed a teacher for fourth, fifth, and sixth grade children. In addition to our national church curriculum, I must have read the Standard and King James version cover to cover twice, when stories for children were my prime reads.

The four questions you had I do not recollect much of what is bothering you. My computer is down and my cell phone has limited online usage, and I don't recall reading some of your worrisome points are located, and I feel like I'm on a slippery slope, because you presented scenarios I can't remember finding, not ever. Did you find those points in the Bible? I never ran across passages that would answer your questions and give you some peace, so I apologize for not knowing those issues are are or are not in the Bible.

Here is what I do know the Bible says:

God created mankind in his image.

God loves human beings regardless of age, race, IQ, whether you are man or woman, etc.

God has basic behavior expectations of those who believe in Him, and his requirements are found in thr book of Micah, the Ten Commandments that he gave to Moses, and the words of Jesus who summarized the laws of God when he pointed out two requirements: (1) Love God with all your heart and (2) Love your neighbor as you love yourself.

If I were you, I would go to one of the Bible dot coms that can find answers in the scriptures. Pick a source so you can Read the correct scripture in your Bible, but read it from your own Bible. It may not be there if you picked up your line of thinking by someone who has misinterpreted a scripture. You will know that if you go to the trouble of using search engine at a Bible dot com source. And if their search engine doesn't find an answer, you will know somehow your information source may have been misinterpreted or misunderstood by whoever told you something that simply isn't there. May your search help you, and just remember, God is good, and God loves you. Call upon him, and the answer is out there somewhere, and that will hopefully give you some peace of mind.
I am sending up a prayer as soon as I post this reply for you to understand the Bible you are reading. A good starting point might be to put Sermon on the Mount in you search engine to get you started on your trust in God. Love to you jwoodie, and your loved ones, beautress

 

[surada]

Christian doctrine seems to include the following beliefs:
1. Jesus was God in human form (immaculate conception);
2. Jesus performed miracles;
3. Jesus was God's blood sacrifice for our sins; and
4. Jesus physically arose from the dead.

My question is whether someone must accept all of these beliefs in order to be a Christian. What if Jesus was not immaculately conceived? What if He did not perform miracles? What if God did not demand His blood sacrifice? What if He did not physically arise from the dead?

I have always considered myself to be a Christian, but I have serious doubts as to the literal application of these beliefs. For example, how could Jesus be a man if he didn't possess X Chromosomes? From the Creator of the Universe, miracles seem like cheap card tricks. Did the New Testament God of Love really demand a human sacrifice? How would a human body physically ascend to Heaven?

Are all of these beliefs necessary to accept the authority of Christ's teachings?

Mary is the immaculate conception.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Mary is the immaculate conception.

Lie. That's not what your Bible says.

 

[rampart]

Christian doctrine seems to include the following beliefs:
1. Jesus was God in human form (immaculate conception);
2. Jesus performed miracles;
3. Jesus was God's blood sacrifice for our sins; and
4. Jesus physically arose from the dead.

My question is whether someone must accept all of these beliefs in order to be a Christian. What if Jesus was not immaculately conceived? What if He did not perform miracles? What if God did not demand His blood sacrifice? What if He did not physically arise from the dead?

I have always considered myself to be a Christian, but I have serious doubts as to the literal application of these beliefs. For example, how could Jesus be a man if he didn't possess X Chromosomes? From the Creator of the Universe, miracles seem like cheap card tricks. Did the New Testament God of Love really demand a human sacrifice? How would a human body physically ascend to Heaven?

Are all of these beliefs necessary to accept the authority of Christ's teachings?

the nature and power of the supernatural is unknowable and irrelevant.

the essence of christianity is contained in matthew 7:12.

sinilar "golden rules" in every major religion unite the majority of the civilized world.

 

[GMCGeneral]

the nature and power of the supernatural is unknowable and irrelevant.

the essence of christianity is contained in matthew 7:12.

sinilar "golden rules" in every major religion unite the majority of the civilized world.

But you cannot earn Heaven.

 

[surada]

No, you're a Scriptural illiterate. You realize that you are calling the Scripture a liar?

Luke 1:28, and specifically the phrase "full of grace" by which Gabriel greeted Mary, was another reference to her Immaculate Conception: "she was never …

Immaculate Conception - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[surada]

Lie. That's not what your Bible says.

Luke 1:28, and specifically the phrase "full of grace" by which Gabriel greeted Mary, was another reference to her Immaculate Conception: "she was never …

 

[surada]

In 1532, Luther said: 'God has formed the soul and body of the Virgin Mary full of the Holy Spirit, so that she is without all sins, for she has conceived and borne the Lord Jesus.

 

[JustAGuy1]

Luke 1:28, and specifically the phrase "full of grace" by which Gabriel greeted Mary, was another reference to her Immaculate Conception: "she was never …

Immaculate Conception - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Yeah, no. Don't get into this with far more Biblically educated than you.

Luke 1:27​

27 zto a virgin betrothed1 to a man whose name was Joseph, aof the house of David. And the virgin’s name was Mary.

Luke 1:34​

34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”1

Luke 1:35​

35 And the angel answered her, l“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of hthe Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born1 will be called mholy—nthe Son of God.

Matthew 1:20​

20 But as he considered these things, behold, yan angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 1:23​

23 d“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son,

and they shall call his name eImmanuel”

 

[surada]

Yeah, no. Don't get into this with far more Biblically educated than you.

Luke 1:27​

27 zto a virgin betrothed1 to a man whose name was Joseph, aof the house of David. And the virgin’s name was Mary.

Luke 1:34​

34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”1

Luke 1:35​

35 And the angel answered her, l“The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of hthe Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born1 will be called mholy—nthe Son of God.

Matthew 1:20​

20 But as he considered these things, behold, yan angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 1:23​

23 d“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son,

and they shall call his name eImmanuel”

Mary was without the stain of original sin because she was the mother of Jesus. Even Martin Luther recognized her grace.


In 1532, Luther said: 'God has formed the soul and body of the Virgin Mary full of the Holy Spirit, so that she is without all sins, for she has conceived and borne the Lord Jesus.

 

[surada]

No, you're a Scriptural illiterate. You realize that you are calling the Scripture a liar?

What does full of grace mean? That Mary is filled with the presence of God. And if she is entirely inhabited by God, there is no room within her for sin. It is an extraordinary thing, because everything in the world, regrettably, is contaminated by evil.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Christian doctrine seems to include the following beliefs:
1. Jesus was God in human form (immaculate conception);
2. Jesus performed miracles;
3. Jesus was God's blood sacrifice for our sins; and
4. Jesus physically arose from the dead.

My question is whether someone must accept all of these beliefs in order to be a Christian. What if Jesus was not immaculately conceived? What if He did not perform miracles? What if God did not demand His blood sacrifice? What if He did not physically arise from the dead?

I have always considered myself to be a Christian, but I have serious doubts as to the literal application of these beliefs. For example, how could Jesus be a man if he didn't possess X Chromosomes? From the Creator of the Universe, miracles seem like cheap card tricks. Did the New Testament God of Love really demand a human sacrifice? How would a human body physically ascend to Heaven?

Are all of these beliefs necessary to accept the authority of Christ's teachings?

The immaculate conception is not about Jesus's conception but his mother's, it's an extra-Biblical concept.

 

[JustAGuy1]

What does full of grace mean? That Mary is filled with the presence of God. And if she is entirely inhabited by God, there is no room within her for sin. It is an extraordinary thing, because everything in the world, regrettably, is contaminated by evil.

Surada we're ALL full of grace ( Since becoming Saved) . I agree with you, She was full of Grace, what is Grace and who brought it into the World? Jesus. She was full of Grace in that she carried the Lord in her womb. God indeed filled her and covered her with His Grace, that is His prerogative. No matter how hard you try you can't twist Scripture enough to "disprove" the Scriptures I've provided.

 

[surada]

Surada we're ALL full of grace ( Since becoming Saved) . I agree with you, She was full of Grace, what is Grace and who brought it into the World? Jesus. She was full of Grace in that she carried the Lord in her womb. God indeed filled her and covered her with His Grace, that is His prerogative. No matter how hard you try you can't twist Scripture enough to "disprove" the Scriptures I've provided.

Do your homework.

 

[surada]

Surada we're ALL full of grace ( Since becoming Saved) . I agree with you, She was full of Grace, what is Grace and who brought it into the World? Jesus. She was full of Grace in that she carried the Lord in her womb. God indeed filled her and covered her with His Grace, that is His prerogative. No matter how hard you try you can't twist Scripture enough to "disprove" the Scriptures I've provided.

Nope. According to Christian doctrine we are tainted by original sin. Mary was not...according to the Bible and Martin Luther. You're confusing her virginity with her immaculate conception and being full of grace...without sin.

 

[onefour1]

It was through Mary that Jesus gained the ability to lay down his life. Mary, like all of us, was a fallen mortal woman who was subject to all the pains, sufferings and even death in this world. Jesus' father was our Father in Heaven. The Father is a perfect immortal man who cannot die. From his mother Mary, Jesus inherited the ability to lay down his life and die. Mary like any other mortal on this earth was born with the seeds of death in her mortal body. She passed this capacity to die onto her son Jesus. Jesus was able to lay down his life because of his inherited abillity to die from his mortal mother. Mary was, as all of us are, subject to the effects of the original transgression of Adam and Eve. To believe otherwise is nothing but false doctrine.

 

[surada]

It was through Mary that Jesus gained the ability to lay down his life. Mary, like all of us, was a fallen mortal woman who was subject to all the pains, sufferings and even death in this world. Jesus' father was our Father in Heaven. The Father is a perfect immortal man who cannot die. From his mother Mary, Jesus inherited the ability to lay down his life and die. Mary like any other mortal on this earth was born with the seeds of death in her mortal body. She passed this capacity to die onto her son Jesus. Jesus was able to lay down his life because of his inherited abillity to die from his mortal mother. Mary was, as all of us are, subject to the effects of the original transgression of Adam and Eve. To believe otherwise is nothing but false doctrine.

That's not what the Bible or Martin Luther said. Mary was not stained with original sin. She was full of Grace and without sin.