The Earth Needs More CO2, Not Less

Dagosa said:
Let me educate you. Scientists are not academic institutions, corporations or gov agencies foolish.

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You are an idiot. Academic institutions, corporations and governments hirer scientists. I’m arguing against an idiot.
Dagosa said:
Ha ha
you gave a link,
It was not to a university or climate research facility , gov agency or major corporation.
Geesus you fool, don’t you know what an institution is ?
Now, you can keep lying.m
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you still are trying. I gave you the link and it was a university. There are a lot more as well.
 
Davey T said:
The Earth Needs More CO2, not Less​

I know this statement will make people’s head explode, but it’s true, Earth needs more CO2, not less. Let’s look at the science with a bit of common sense.

Carbon dioxide has gone up and down over millions of years, but the trend has always been, on the whole, down. A quarter of a million years ago, there was 17,000 ppm. Today it is around 410 ppm. Forget for a moment the clumsy “parts per million” scale and just look at the numbers by comparison.

Back then, the earth didn’t blow up in flames as people try to scare us into believing. But everything was big. Animals were the size of small apartment complexes and leaves were the size of a Mini Cooper. That is because, as every farmer and pot grower knows, “you want plants to grow more? You pump in CO2". But, from 17,000 whatevers to 410 whatevers, where did the CO2 go? In a word, the “pyramids”. Let’s go back to the beginning.

We owe life on earth to carbon and more specifically, CO2. Every first year biology student knows the equation for photosynthesis:

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That is, plants take in water and carbon dioxide and, after growing a bit, spit out oxygen. Without this process, life on earth would not exist. Of course, humans breath in oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide which, in effect, reverses this equation. What a coincidence, right? Anyway, you increase the concentration of the CO2 on the left side of the equation and it pushes the equation to the right giving you more plants and more oxygen. So, what is the problem here? Well, we are told that CO2 is a pollutant. More about that in a minute. But first, where did all the CO2 go? If the earth had 17,000 ppm in the atmosphere and now only has 410 ppm, where in the hell is it? Let’s look at that.

First, we all know that a portion (how big, who knows?) went into the earth in the form of oil. All of the big plants and huge dinosaurs died and got buried. They rotted deep in the earth and became oil. Over a couple hundred million years this oil is typically very deep. As every archeologist knows, the deeper you go the farther back in time you go. But this is only part of the story. Maybe less than half. The other large, and scarier portion is “The Great Barrier Reef!”.

The earliest arthropods formed around 500 million years ago but their bodies were soft and didn’t become hard like the crustaceans we know today until, ..wait for it…a quarter million years ago. Right when we had that 17,000 ppm of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. The sneaky part is that these hard little suckers take carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and create their shells out of calcium carbonate thereby sequestering the CO2 in their sneaky little bodies. They die and become part of bottom of the ocean which now can be found on every continent and at the top of every mountain. On land, this forms a semi-hard rock called limestone which the Egyptians thought was a great rock to build pyramids. There you have it! Pyramids!

The problem with this is that it is a one-way process. We cannot burn limestone in our cars to put this CO2 back into circulation and nobody is going to let us dig up the Great Barrier Reef to reprocess the coral. So we sit with 410 ppm of CO2 in our atmosphere. Is it enough to run this show? Well, let’s look at it.

When we had walking giants, there was plant life on every part of the Earth. The Sahara Dessert had trees and even Antarctica had forests. Was this bad? Don’t know, we weren’t there. But the life that was there loved it. And now, at 410 ppm, we have seemingly lifeless deserts all around the world. Start in the Gobi Desert, go to the Middle East, then to the Sahara Desert, shoot past the Gulf of Mexico into the United States Southwest and Mexico. Deserts, deserts, deserts. You can do the same in the Southern Hemisphere. Interestingly, the deserts are not on the equator where you would expect, but about a third of the way north of the equator and a third of the way south of the equator. This is another paper to discuss why. But, if this process of sequestering CO2 into crustaceans’ greedy little bodies is an ongoing process, then we can’t stop it. And, how little CO2 can we have in the atmosphere and still maintain left on Earth?

Most scientists believe that life on Earth, as we know it, cannot exist with atmospheric CO2 below around 150 to 175 ppm. Fifty years ago we were around 270 ppm when CO2 started its creep up from possible oblivion. Whew!, that was close. Of course, that is when activists started blaring the alarm of catastrophe due to “Man Caused Global Warming”. Actually, they stated it was global cooling and when that didn’t happen, they reversed course to global warming. When that didn’t happen they gave up on predictions and just settled on the amorphous and non-committal “Climate Change”. But, how in the hell did CO2, that which makes life possible, become a pollutant?

Although global cooling was considered a major problem since the 1970s, on June 23, 1988 Dr. James Hansen told Congress that carbon dioxide was causing the Earth to warm, the increase in carbon dioxide was manmade and this was catastrophic. We were off to the races.

Then, in 2014, Naomi Klein wrote a book delineating the significance of this revelation to the world’s socialists called, “This Changes Everything, Capitalism vs. The Climate”. The book describes how if you control carbon dioxide, you control energy, and if you control energy, you control the economy, control the economy and control the world. Wow, this is better than universal healthcare.

Meanwhile, without regard to the politics, CO2 has been increasing little-by-little and in response, you guessed it, there is a concomitant greening of the world’s deserts. Not a lot, but satellite imagery shows a greening around the edges of the world’s largest deserts. A bad thing? Meanwhile, if you put into your computer that an increase in CO2 is an increase in the temperature of the Earth, presto!, you get predictions that have never come true. GIGO.

Does an increase in CO2 cause an increase in global temperatures? All things being equal, yes. But all things are never equal. You have the temperature fluctuations of the sun and you have water vapor in the atmosphere among a host of other things. But, let’s look at water vapor for a second.

CO2 is a greenhouse gas. So is water vapor. Without getting into the messiness of science and elevation changes of CO2, mixing and atmospheric changes, etc., the concentration of CO2 is only 410 ppm. Water is around 20,000 to 30,000 ppm on the average. Or, around 10,000 times the concentration. What do scientists say about water vapor and cloud cover with regard to Climate Change? They tend to ignore it. Too complicated. Let’s move on to something fun. So, the science is not settled. It never is. We don’t know what gravity is. We just changed the decades long food pyramid upside down. Science, by definition, is inquiry. Always asking questions. Anybody who says, “The science is settled” is a liar or a fool. Maybe both.

So, now, imagine the graph of CO2. It goes from 17,000 down to 270, skips off the bottom, then up to 410. Do we need to go lower or higher? You decide.

Jema Tell
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Too bad your post is made up shit.
 
jc456 said:
Prove him wrong
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All ready did. NASA did. Yale did, Cornell did. Why the fk should we post shit you can’t read.
Stupid shit just post a reference based upon the tittle without reading it.....you do the same thing.
 
Dagosa said:
All ready did. NASA did. Yale did, Cornell did. Why the fk should we post shit you can’t read.
Stupid shit just post a reference based upon the tittle without reading it.....you do the same thing.
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Why should you post shit YOU can't read ...

Surprisingly ... NASA, Yale, and Cornell's Atmospheric Science Departments don't try to define "good" and "evil" ... they leave that up to the Roman Catholic Church ... pfffft ... Yale doesn't even have a Atmospheric Science Department ... gosh, lil' Oregon State has an entire COLLEGE dedicated to Atmospheric Science, Oceanography and Climatology ... Cornell offers a BS in Atmospheric Science, and they claim to be the only Ivy League school to do so {Cite} ... You'll need to explain how NASA came up with another 6,000 weather stations, the ones tax-payers paid for are operated by NOAA ... [giggle] ... but if you want weather information from space scientists, go for it ... for the record, GISS relies on NOAA ... so should you ...

30,000 climate science institutions? ... there's only 6,000 weather stations world-wide ...

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We can say that 3,000 ppm CO2 is good for dinosaurs ... they evolved to exploit such a resource ... for the CAUSE of carbon dioxide levels, we have the EFFECT of life evolving ... in other words, all levels of CO2 are good, except (apparently) below 150 ppm ... but I could be wrong on that last part ...
 
Davey T said:
The Earth Needs More CO2, not LessI know this statement will make people’s head explode, but it’s true, Earth needs more CO2, not less. Let’s look at the science with a bit of common sense.​
Carbon dioxide has gone up and down over millions of years, but the trend has always been, on the whole, down. A Quarter of a Million years ago, there was 17,000 ppm. Today it is around 410 ppm. Forget for a moment the clumsy “parts per million” scale and just look at the numbers by comparison.

Jema Tell
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The OP "17,000 PPM" is of course a GIANT LIE.
Homo Sapiens have never see anything close.

Here's an old 400,000 year Chart and it never got over 300 PPM until recently. Now 420 PPM.


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Colin norris said:
Well plagairised.
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But still ...common knowledge and it definitely challenges the current consensus. I have noticed a massive gain in green plant growth this year and the local gardens are busting out early with brilliant produce. This leads us back to the chicken and egg question of the causation....
 
justoffal said:
But still ...common knowledge and it definitely challenges the current consensus. I have noticed a massive gain in green plant growth this year and the local gardens are busting out early with brilliant produce. This leads us back to the chicken and egg question of the causation....
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Plant growth requires more than just CO2.
 
Woodznutz said:
Plant growth requires more than just CO2.
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Of course it does.... Yet the correlation between the CO2 PPM and foliage proliferation is undeniable...are we warming? Apparently yes...
Are we responsible for it? Still not definitely proven.
 
justoffal said:
Of course it does.... Yet the correlation between the CO2 PPM and foliage proliferation is undeniable...are we warming? Apparently yes...
Are we responsible for it? Still not definitely proven.
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One limiting factor in most eco-systems in free nitrogen ... where humans live, this is provided artificially in rather large abundance ...

Do the math ... only 17 gigatonnes per year of extra carbon dioxide is showing up at the Keeling Institute ... we know we're burning and releasing 40 gigatonnes every year ... of course the oceans are absorbing it, and ... algae ... we're pouring free nitrogen into the oceans like mad ...

"Ocean acidification" includes deoxyribonucleic acid ...

Baleen whales are the real enemy here ... ever since we stopped hunting them, temperatures have been exploding ...
 
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Dagosa said:
All ready did. NASA did. Yale did, Cornell did. Why the fk should we post shit you can’t read.
Stupid shit just post a reference based upon the tittle without reading it.....you do the same thing.
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As I stated in an earlier post, that link didn’t say co2 melted ice! Now you’re lying to lie! Double dipper
 
ReinyDays said:
One limiting factor in most eco-systems in free nitrogen ... where humans live, this is provided artificially in rather large abundance ...

Do the math ... only 17 gigatonnes per year of extra carbon dioxide is showing up at the Keeling Institute ... we know we're burning and releasing 40 gigatonnes every year ... of course the oceans are absorbing it, and ... algae ... we're pouring free nitrogen into the oceans like mad ...

"Ocean acidification" includes deoxyribonucleic acid ...
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Warmers are merely saying mankind shouldn’t exist! So I’m wondering why they don’t take their joneser’s and leave by re-enacting Jonestown
 
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