Zone1 The difference between Hillel and Jesus’ “Golden Rule”

[ding]

the survey was of modern orthodox Jews. That's a specific subset. Looking at statistics for the entire population of Jews will lead to very different results.

Sure. And many have forgotten God.

 

[BreezeWood]

do you really believe the heavens spoke to moses and abraham or anyone - and gave moses 10 commandments etched in stone by them, incidentally never seen by anyone than moses ... somehow found in all three desert religion bibles.

the point is: do you believe hillel or jesus ... the prevarication of this thread.

I believe both can be true.

Just follow G-ds commands of which neither of these men were.

the heavens set goals the means for admission to the everlasting there are no commandments a&e set the example for humanity.

refreshing to hear about these men yet purely rhetorical have people had the choice to ignore them - you've obviously not read the concluding scene for the 1st century events.

 

[Picaro]

Pharisees were IN on the "SCHOOL OF HILLEL"----Jesus was typical

They were also in the school of Shammai. There were other 'schools' besides those two, but they were the main ones. Christian beliefs are closer to the Sadducee than Pharisees on many theological issues, like the choosing the written Torah over the 'Oral Torah' fiction. On the other hand Sadducees didn't believe in an afterlife and resurrection; points of view shifted around from one time period to another and among various sects, so hard and fast rules are hard to pin down even among Rabbis in the same sects.

One common view:

The Pharisee teachers Hillel and Shammai​

They had different schools, each with their own disciples. The two main schools were led by Hillel and Shammai, and continuing on through their students after they passed away.

Shammai was the prominent school during the time of Jesus. It taught strict adherence to the law, and perhaps we see that in Jesus' confrontations with the Pharisees.

Hillel was generally more lenient in interpretations of the law. It was one of his followers who survived the fall of Jerusalem in AD 70 and began a new school in a different city to ensure that the oral traditions and teachings would live on. (So the Jewish teachings of today grew from the oral tradition of the Pharisees.) An interesting note, it was a grandson of Hillel who taught the apostle Paul.

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Who were the Scribes mentioned in the Bible? ​

The scribes are often linked with Pharisees in scripture, and that is not without reason. They were scholars who generally agreed with Pharisaic principles. The Pharisees, in turn, seemed to rely on the Scribe's scriptural interpretations, making them natural allies.

Hence Joachim Jeremia's assertion that 'while not all Pharisees were scribes, all scribes were Pharisees'.

 

[irosie91]

What historical fact are you accusing me of denying?

Perhaps not YOU in particular----but ask most ordinary christians----
'what were the money changers'---and you get something like "PHARISEES
WHO WERE SHORT CHANGING THE POOR" Or 'who was Caiaphas'---and you get a "JEWISH LEADER" even 'who crucified jesus'? "DA JOOOS FORCED the Romans to do it"------or ask a sunday school teacher (that means protestant)------the kind of 'school' I attended about a dozen times. For the
record----there is a poster here who has actually claimed that I spout that which was TAUGHT TO ME FROM JEWISH SOURCES ----nope---I never even
attended "hebrew school"----I have far more christian education in childhood that Jewish

 

[BreezeWood]

What historical fact are you accusing me of denying?

Pharisees were IN on the "SCHOOL OF HILLEL"----Jesus was typical

two peas in a pod, fabrication without a shred of evidence.

 

[irosie91]

two peas in a pod, fabrication without a shred of evidence.

what are you calling "fabricated"?

 

[BreezeWood]

Pharisees were IN on the "SCHOOL OF HILLEL"----Jesus was typical

what are you calling "fabricated"?

your entire mind set ...

do you really believe the heavens spoke to moses and abraham or anyone - and gave moses 10 commandments etched in stone by them, incidentally never seen by anyone than moses ... somehow found in all three desert religion bibles.

did hillel believe the above - that's your school ... keep jesus out of it.

 

[irosie91]

your entire mind set ...



did hillel believe the above - that's your school ... keep jesus out of it.

Jesus believed it too. The bible according to Constantine so states
(make that SAINT CONSTANTINE---in possession of the knowledge
of the Prophet Paul)

 

[BreezeWood]

Jesus believed it too. The bible according to Constantine so states
(make that SAINT CONSTANTINE---in possession of the knowledge
of the Prophet Paul)

jesus belied what - the fallacies of hillel.

the point of the 1st century events is the repudiation of heavenly personification made by judaism that never occurred ... anything claimed by judaism of heavenly persuasion as meant for them or anything in particular is the obvious flaw and fallacy of their religion and is the objection made by jesus to correct those misconceptions.

- nothing of those conclusions were derived by hillel.

hillel as much wrote the christian bible as constantine - their same affinity for the heavens.

 

[irosie91]

jesus belied what - the fallacies of hillel.



hillel as much wrote the christian bible as constantine - their same affinity for the heavens.

give hillel my regards