The Did Obama Commit Treason Thread and Poll

[ColonelAngus]

Lawfare?

With evidence?

He lied to Congress just for starters. Verifiable.

Clapper needs to go down. Absolute deep state POS.

HE LIED TO CONGRESS ABOUT SPYING ON EVERY ******* AMERICAN.

 

[westwall]

Let’s see
Show a direct link to Obama

His directive to Brennan.

DURRRRRR

 

[SeaMajor7]

Let’s see
Show a direct link to Obama

Grab some popcorn and check this out...

 

[Man With A Plan]

You’re begging the question. Even if Biden should have released the files, that doesn’t explain why Trump isn’t releasing them now. Why not? The people deserve an answer.

I'm asking the question, Konradv and you don't seem to have an answer to that question! If there really was something damaging to Trump in the Epstein files why wouldn't Biden (or whoever was really running the country at that point!) have released them? Give me a logical explanation...

 

[konradv]

I'm asking the question, Konradv and you don't seem to have an answer to that question! If there really was something damaging to Trump in the Epstein files why wouldn't Biden (or whoever was really running the country at that point!) have released them? Give me a logical explanation...

It was Merrick Garland’s job. You act like Biden was inspecting the evidence himself. The AG is supposed to be independent, so much so that during Watergate, the AG and his deputy resigned rather than perform what they considered an illegal order from the president. That being said, nothing Biden did or did not do explains why Trump is hiding the evidence. Consciousness of guilt?

 

[Man With A Plan]

How do you "cover up" e-mails that originated from government servers?

Seriously? How clueless are you, Postman? Hillary Clinton installed 2 servers in her home that were "private" servers and then ran much of the State Department's business through those 2 servers, thus avoiding Congressional oversight. When the Benghazi debacle took place Congressional investigators asked for all materials connected with the deaths of Ambassador Stevens and the other State Department personnel from Secretary Clinton and she assured them that she had indeed turned everything over. Trey Gowdy's committee discovered emails sent between State Department officials and Clinton's private servers and realized that she'd lied to them about turning everything over because she didn't want what she'd been doing to be exposed. Gowdy then demanded to see what was on THOSE servers at which point Hillary paid an IT person to professionally "bleach" her hard drives and had aides destroy her phones with a hammer!

That is how you ATTEMPT to cover up e-mails sent to private servers that you know you're not supposed to be using!

 

[Man With A Plan]

It was Merrick Garland’s job. You act like Biden was inspecting the evidence himself. The AG is supposed to be independent, so much so that during Watergate, the AG and his deputy resigned rather than perform what they considered an illegal order from the president. That being said, nothing Biden did or did not do explains why Trump is hiding the evidence. Consciousness of guilt?

So you're saying that Joe Biden wouldn't have known what was in the Epstein files? That Merrick Garland wouldn't have told him if there was dirt there on Trump? You really believe that, Konradv? I think you know as well as I do that Garland would have trotted over to the White House the SECOND he came in possession of something that Biden could have use to beat Trump in the upcoming election. You'd have to be criminally naive to think that Merrick Garland was ever "independent". These are the same people that made up lies to smear Trump but you think they would for some unknown reason SIT on a real scandal?

 

[konradv]

So you're saying that Joe Biden wouldn't have known what was in the Epstein files? That Merrick Garland wouldn't have told him if there was dirt there on Trump? You really believe that, Konradv? I think you know as well as I do that Garland would have trotted over to the White House the SECOND he came in possession of something that Biden could have use to beat Trump in the upcoming election. You'd have to be criminally naive to think that Merrick Garland was ever "independent". These are the same people that made up lies to smear Trump but you think they would for some unknown reason SIT on a real scandal?

I believe that Trump is hiding something and you’re shilling for him. It’s obvious every time you beg the question by mentioning Biden.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Where can I read those notes? What is the 'REAL' news source you refer to?

DNI declassifies Brennan notes, CIA memo on Hillary Clinton 'stirring up' scandal between Trump, Russia

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe on Tuesday declassified documents that revealed former CIA Director John Brennan briefed former President Obama on Hillary Clinton’s purported “plan” to tie then-candidate Donald Trump to Russia as “a means of distracting the public from her use...

www.foxnews.com

 

[Man With A Plan]

I believe that Trump is hiding something and you’re shilling for him. It’s obvious every time you beg the question by mentioning Biden.

So Trump is hiding something but Biden wasn't? You keep avoiding my question, Konradv! If there was something bad about Trump in those files then why didn't the Biden camp leak it? You can't come up with a reason that makes sense so you decided that you don't want Biden mentioned?

 

[Man With A Plan]

Let’s see
Show a direct link to Obama

You mean BESIDES the meeting in the Oval Office where Obama tells Brennan and Clapper to ignore all of the intelligence reports saying that there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia? The meeting where he instructed them to issue a report that there WAS collusion that took place even though there was ZERO evidence of that?

 

[konradv]

So Trump is hiding something but Biden wasn't? You keep avoiding my question, Konradv! If there was something bad about Trump in those files then why didn't the Biden camp leak it? You can't come up with a reason that makes sense so you decided that you don't want Biden mentioned?

You’re avoiding the question of why Trump isn’t releasing the evidence. Biden is history.

 

[Clipper]

Rat Cliff is full of shit but he just earned himself another facefull of Trump's overfed Depends covered ass.

 

[Clipper]

View attachment 1141711

YOU GOT HIM NOW!

 

[Nostra]

Obviously YOU are mistaken

But what Gabbard didn’t seem to remember was that these same documents were reviewed and debunked by the FBI years ago

Cut and paste where it says what you claim.

 

[alang1216]

With evidence?

He lied to Congress just for starters. Verifiable.

Clapper needs to go down. Absolute deep state POS.

HE LIED TO CONGRESS ABOUT SPYING ON EVERY ******* AMERICAN.

Not so cut and dried. It is well known the NSA eavesdrops on foreign telecommunications and that it is against US law to spy on US citizens. It becomes murky when a foreign national communicates with a US citizen and the NSA records it. They "not wittingly" would record a US citizen.

AI Overview

The question of whether James Clapper lied to Congress about NSA surveillance is a complex one with differing perspectives. While he initially denied the NSA collected data on millions of Americans, he later acknowledged this was an "erroneous" statement. Some argue he intentionally misled the committee, while others maintain he made an honest mistake or that the question was intentionally misleading.

Arguments that Clapper lied:

• Conflicting Statements:
  Clapper's initial denial of mass data collection contradicts later revelations and leaked documents showing the NSA did collect such data.
  
  
• "Not wittingly" qualification:
  Some interpret his addition of "not wittingly" as an attempt to evade responsibility.
  
  
• • Refusal to correct the record:
    When asked to correct his statement, Clapper's office initially refused, which some see as further evidence of deception, according to Senator Wyden.
  • Potential Perjury:
    Some legal experts, like Jonathan Turley, argue that Clapper's statements could be considered perjury.

Arguments that Clapper did not lie:

• • Classified Program:
    Clapper claimed the surveillance program was classified at the time, and he was constrained in what he could publicly disclose.
  • Intent:
    Some argue that Clapper's intent was not to deceive but to protect classified information and that the committee was already aware of the program.
  • Wyden's role:
    Some argue that Senator Wyden's question was designed to expose the program rather than seek information, and that he knew the answer, according to the American Enterprise Institute.
  • "Not wittingly" clarification:
    Clapper's defenders argue that "not wittingly" was a legitimate qualification, acknowledging the possibility of unintentional collection.

In conclusion:
Whether Clapper lied is subjective and depends on how one interprets his statements and the circumstances surrounding them. Some believe he intentionally misled Congress, while others maintain he made an honest mistake or was constrained by the need to protect classified information.

 

[Man With A Plan]

You’re avoiding the question of why Trump isn’t releasing the evidence. Biden is history.

You're assuming there is something there to release. You still haven't given me a logical reason why Biden's campaign wouldn't have used that against Trump before the 2024 election. Biden is "history"? LOL He's been out of office for six months. Get a new talking point...that one's falling on it's face!

 

[Captain Caveman]

Tulsi laid out a compelling case for charging many of the top people in the "Crime Free" Obama Administration with Treason.

A brief portion of her presentation below, with receipts

Up to you USMB, did he do it or not?

Unlimited choices or add your own

These things against politicians seldom go anywhere

 

[Man With A Plan]

Not so cut and dried. It is well known the NSA eavesdrops on foreign telecommunications and that it is against US law to spy on US citizens. It becomes murky when a foreign national communicates with a US citizen and the NSA records it. They "not wittingly" would record a US citizen.

AI Overview

The question of whether James Clapper lied to Congress about NSA surveillance is a complex one with differing perspectives. While he initially denied the NSA collected data on millions of Americans, he later acknowledged this was an "erroneous" statement. Some argue he intentionally misled the committee, while others maintain he made an honest mistake or that the question was intentionally misleading.

Arguments that Clapper lied:

• Conflicting Statements:
  Clapper's initial denial of mass data collection contradicts later revelations and leaked documents showing the NSA did collect such data.
  
  
• "Not wittingly" qualification:
  Some interpret his addition of "not wittingly" as an attempt to evade responsibility.
  
  
• • Refusal to correct the record:
    When asked to correct his statement, Clapper's office initially refused, which some see as further evidence of deception, according to Senator Wyden.
  • Potential Perjury:
    Some legal experts, like Jonathan Turley, argue that Clapper's statements could be considered perjury.

Arguments that Clapper did not lie:

• • Classified Program:
    Clapper claimed the surveillance program was classified at the time, and he was constrained in what he could publicly disclose.
  • Intent:
    Some argue that Clapper's intent was not to deceive but to protect classified information and that the committee was already aware of the program.
  • Wyden's role:
    Some argue that Senator Wyden's question was designed to expose the program rather than seek information, and that he knew the answer, according to the American Enterprise Institute.
  • "Not wittingly" clarification:
    Clapper's defenders argue that "not wittingly" was a legitimate qualification, acknowledging the possibility of unintentional collection.

In conclusion:
Whether Clapper lied is subjective and depends on how one interprets his statements and the circumstances surrounding them. Some believe he intentionally misled Congress, while others maintain he made an honest mistake or was constrained by the need to protect classified information.

Whether or not Clapper lied is NOT subjective! He lied. He knew the NSA was spying on Americans and he knew that it wasn't "not wittingly"! If he wanted to protect "classified information" then all he had to do was refuse to answer the question because of national security concerns! He didn't do that. He lied.

 

[Clipper]

You mean BESIDES the meeting in the Oval Office where Obama tells Brennan and Clapper to ignore all of the intelligence reports saying that there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia? The meeting where he instructed them to issue a report that there WAS collusion that took place even though there was ZERO evidence of that?

Why sure! Brennan & Clapper who worked in the intelligence community for decades were going to risk their careers & reputations by filing that false report. The problem with you willfully ignorant & gullible MAGA dopes is you think everyone is just like the craven bottom feeders who Dopetard surrounds himself with.

Ask Trump's new found lackey Rubio why the Senate report that he signed onto is the total opposite of the horseshit that Gabby, Trump & you Bozo's are now crowing about.